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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
September 23 2019 13:48 GMT
#1121
I'm sure I'm a bit behind here but that Chelsea VAR call was harsh. Celebrating an equaliser then moments later 0:2 down.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18637 Posts
September 23 2019 13:55 GMT
#1122
On September 23 2019 22:48 Greg_J wrote:
I'm sure I'm a bit behind here but that Chelsea VAR call was harsh. Celebrating an equaliser then moments later 0:2 down.


I read somewhere that this was not the first time it happened (VAR disallowing a goal and then the team conceding).
VAR disallowances seem to create the same phenomenon that missing 100% chances does to a team
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4156 Posts
September 23 2019 14:30 GMT
#1123
On September 23 2019 22:48 Greg_J wrote:
I'm sure I'm a bit behind here but that Chelsea VAR call was harsh. Celebrating an equaliser then moments later 0:2 down.


If you think that was harsh go watch the Spurs one.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
September 23 2019 14:50 GMT
#1124
On September 23 2019 22:48 Greg_J wrote:
I'm sure I'm a bit behind here but that Chelsea VAR call was harsh. Celebrating an equaliser then moments later 0:2 down.


Chelsea fan here. I thought the offside was obvious from the replay. I want var to remove such 'wrong calls', so I'm supportive of the decision.

Spurs var call though, I do not accept. I do not think it was clear in any way that it was offside. This is not goal line tech where its clear of the ball crossed the line or not. There's margins of error when you have to fine the right frame when the ball is kicked, draw the right line etc. The spurs call isn't conclusive and hence should not be called.

What we want to eliminate are calls that are blatantly wrong. If var is inconclusive, it means the attacker is fairly close and the 'adcantage' is minute. I think its fine to favour the attacker in such cases.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18637 Posts
September 23 2019 14:52 GMT
#1125
Yeah agree with Duck there. Chelsea offside was obvious and should be called by VAR. The Spurs one is totally bonkers
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
September 23 2019 16:13 GMT
#1126
I agree aswell, if there is doubt despite technology (which can totally happen) then the best thing to do is to not over rule the call on the field. This is basic common sense shit that other sports already implement so its kind of baffling that the people in charge cant seem to grasp the concept or havent even researched the issue enough to see what sort of precedence there is for doubtful cases. They couldnt possibly have been naive enough to think that the video review would eliminate it 100%. (evidently they are)
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
September 23 2019 17:10 GMT
#1127
On September 24 2019 01:13 Rebs wrote:
I agree aswell, if there is doubt despite technology (which can totally happen) then the best thing to do is to not over rule the call on the field. This is basic common sense shit that other sports already implement so its kind of baffling that the people in charge cant seem to grasp the concept or havent even researched the issue enough to see what sort of precedence there is for doubtful cases. They couldnt possibly have been naive enough to think that the video review would eliminate it 100%. (evidently they are)

Small point, sticking with the call on the field with some calls is actually quite hard because referees/linesman are told not to make a call and wait what VAR says. However they should adhere to the traditional standard of offside, in doubt side with the attacking player. It is just a question of how close is too close to call.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
September 23 2019 17:26 GMT
#1128
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
September 23 2019 18:06 GMT
#1129
On September 24 2019 02:10 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2019 01:13 Rebs wrote:
I agree aswell, if there is doubt despite technology (which can totally happen) then the best thing to do is to not over rule the call on the field. This is basic common sense shit that other sports already implement so its kind of baffling that the people in charge cant seem to grasp the concept or havent even researched the issue enough to see what sort of precedence there is for doubtful cases. They couldnt possibly have been naive enough to think that the video review would eliminate it 100%. (evidently they are)

Small point, sticking with the call on the field with some calls is actually quite hard because referees/linesman are told not to make a call and wait what VAR says. However they should adhere to the traditional standard of offside, in doubt side with the attacking player. It is just a question of how close is too close to call.


Which is fine, that still just makes it a call on the field. I.e the decision to not call offside. Potato Potaaato.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18637 Posts
September 23 2019 20:50 GMT
#1130
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/4EF4/production/_108921202_mens_xi.jpg

what is that stupid 11? Modric, Marcelo, Ramos?!
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
September 23 2019 21:43 GMT
#1131
full scale popularity contest
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
September 24 2019 01:37 GMT
#1132
On September 24 2019 02:10 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2019 01:13 Rebs wrote:
I agree aswell, if there is doubt despite technology (which can totally happen) then the best thing to do is to not over rule the call on the field. This is basic common sense shit that other sports already implement so its kind of baffling that the people in charge cant seem to grasp the concept or havent even researched the issue enough to see what sort of precedence there is for doubtful cases. They couldnt possibly have been naive enough to think that the video review would eliminate it 100%. (evidently they are)

Small point, sticking with the call on the field with some calls is actually quite hard because referees/linesman are told not to make a call and wait what VAR says. However they should adhere to the traditional standard of offside, in doubt side with the attacking player. It is just a question of how close is too close to call.


That's why I'd say overall it would favour attackers. Refs now don't make calls until VAR, and it being inconclusive means the attacker will not be called offside. Refs waiting for VAR is a good thing because wrong calls can be easily reversed. But if they whistle happy, you see incidents like RLC's pass to Hazard in Carabao final that gets arguably wrongfully called. Could have been the winner.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4156 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-24 02:45:31
September 24 2019 02:44 GMT
#1133
On September 24 2019 01:13 Rebs wrote:
I agree aswell, if there is doubt despite technology (which can totally happen) then the best thing to do is to not over rule the call on the field. This is basic common sense shit that other sports already implement so its kind of baffling that the people in charge cant seem to grasp the concept or havent even researched the issue enough to see what sort of precedence there is for doubtful cases. They couldnt possibly have been naive enough to think that the video review would eliminate it 100%. (evidently they are)


Yeah that call was extremely absurd. If you have a draw lines to make out a millimeter of difference in a frame by frame video review then it would be better to just stick with initial call and favour the attacking side.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 24 2019 07:35 GMT
#1134
Messi won Fifa best player award which was interesting but Leeds getting the fair play award is actually baffling lol. One of the worst disciplinary records last season but because they conceded that goal to Villa they are blindsided into getting it. Not that they decided to score a goal in the first place or their CB still trying to tackle Villa players while being ordered to concede as well haha. Bit of a farce this year the FIFA awards.
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
September 24 2019 08:53 GMT
#1135
Leeds also paid a fine for illegally spying on Derby's training camp or something like that. Maybe they could have found a different club to give that award to. Some dubious decisions.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7207 Posts
September 24 2019 09:45 GMT
#1136
On September 24 2019 05:50 sharkie wrote:
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/4EF4/production/_108921202_mens_xi.jpg

what is that stupid 11? Modric, Marcelo, Ramos?!


lololol

3 from Real and not one from ManCity?? I mean they just won PL with an astounding record and lost in CL really unfortunately.

And what did Real do? Absolutely fucking nothing. wtf
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28798 Posts
September 24 2019 09:47 GMT
#1137
The press conference following that illegal spying was absolutely amazing though. I'm a Bielsa fan after that.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-24 11:30:40
September 24 2019 11:29 GMT
#1138
Lawyer's wet dream.



Also isn't one of these sponsors a major contributor to UEFA?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18637 Posts
September 24 2019 14:56 GMT
#1139
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/49810476

Imagine fifa or uefa criticising their refs...
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 24 2019 16:13 GMT
#1140
On September 24 2019 18:45 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2019 05:50 sharkie wrote:
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/cpsprodpb/4EF4/production/_108921202_mens_xi.jpg

what is that stupid 11? Modric, Marcelo, Ramos?!


lololol

3 from Real and not one from ManCity?? I mean they just won PL with an astounding record and lost in CL really unfortunately.

And what did Real do? Absolutely fucking nothing. wtf

Not only won the premier league but they won every domestic competition lol all 3 cups and yeah Real Madrid had one of worst seasons ever xD
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