EPTprobably worth noting that the last transfer window makes it pretty clear that utd has decided to look at a longer term plan rather than find the biggest name available in the market and hope for a quick fix. whether the plan works and how patient fans and management get with poor results is a big question, but judging from the last transfer window only, it does seem like woodward has decided to change his direction.
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8866 Posts
probably worth noting that the last transfer window makes it pretty clear that utd has decided to look at a longer term plan rather than find the biggest name available in the market and hope for a quick fix. whether the plan works and how patient fans and management get with poor results is a big question, but judging from the last transfer window only, it does seem like woodward has decided to change his direction. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On September 25 2019 20:12 Acrofales wrote: I have no idea what the problem is with ManU though. Problem seems a LOT bigger than the manager. They haven't looked good since Fergie retired, and they have gone through 4 managers in that time, of which 2 are very big names with very different styles, and the current one is "home grown" with intimate knowledge of the ManU culture and everything else they could need to take it in a different direction. But the transfer policy seems even more pathetic than Arsenal's, despite being FAR richer. All of this points to that it's not a problem with Ole (although he might not be the right man for the job), and replacing him with Allegri, Poch or anyone else won't just solve ManU's problems. It looks a LOT like the problems Ajax was having in the 00s, and it was only a complete reset of the whole management, and strategy for how to structure the youth academy, transfer policy etc. etc. that got Ajax back on track. It took Cruijff staging a coup at Ajax to ram that change through. No clue what ManU needs tho. Yeah you might have hit the nail on the head with the Ajax comparison, they musts get a full reset not the partial resets they are getting. They replace managers and say they will back youth with time and blah blah, but what they need is a new chief executive and a technical director at the very least with more football knowledge and re house Ed Woodward into a business role in the club to do with marketing aka marketing director. On September 25 2019 20:35 evilfatsh1t wrote: for a long time man utd fans have considered ed woodward to be the root of the problems at united, seeing as he is the guy whos actually in charge of the entire club. but what you said about ajax is actually pretty relevant, because something like that is exactly what does need to happen at united. woodward needs to either sort his shit out in the next year or get fired and have the entire management at the club re-sorted. probably worth noting that the last transfer window makes it pretty clear that utd has decided to look at a longer term plan rather than find the biggest name available in the market and hope for a quick fix. whether the plan works and how patient fans and management get with poor results is a big question, but judging from the last transfer window only, it does seem like woodward has decided to change his direction. Exactly, what you say is right but Woodward aint going anywhere, Yanited announced yesterday RECORD revenue again which is in the £627 million mark, which is insane for a club that did utter shite last season and won nothing. hat figure equates to around 710 million Euros which puts them ahead of Barca last years revenue and 30 million behind Real Madrid's. It insane when you think about it, Yanited have done nothing in a near enough a decade really and are still a giant financially, so yeah Ed Woodward is a clown on football side but a genius in the financial side. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2052 Posts
On September 25 2019 19:58 sharkie wrote: Tuchel has done nothing exceptional with Dortmund... He was better than Favre is now but that isnt very hard is it I kind of agree, but they've now had 3 established managers give it a try and I don't think they've looked even remotely as balanced and competitive as most of Tuchel era was. As for United in general, I think the constant lack of UCL visibility is going to bite their finances in longer run. Sky is really greedy with their broadcasting rights and in most countries UCL is the probably the best way to see EPL teams regularly until you've got stable job and can afford some expensive broadcast package. They can probably afford not being a title contender quite alright, but not qualifying for UCL is probably still terrible business. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18637 Posts
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haitike
Spain2727 Posts
On September 26 2019 00:24 sharkie wrote: Top4 worth a trophy - ten years ago people made fun of wenger for that but nowadays its all the rage. Wenger is a genius too Top4 was easier when Wenger was in the league. Liverpool and Totenham were not top 4 material and there were less teams fighting for top 4. | ||
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sneirac
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Bacillus
Finland2052 Posts
On September 26 2019 05:45 sneirac wrote: United conceding to a 16 year old that looks 12 and West Ham losing 4-0 to Oxford, lots of competition to outspurs Spurs Hey, the 16-year-old is a League one veteran with total 6 games over 2 seasons is an old seasoned dog compared to the upcoming talent like Lingard. | ||
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haitike
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evilfatsh1t
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an interview from one of the players from rochdale said they were coming to old trafford with "belief" that they could get a result. if youre 17th in league one and youre not worried youre going to get absolutely hammered at old trafford....well it says everything about the club atm | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On September 25 2019 20:35 evilfatsh1t wrote: for a long time man utd fans have considered ed woodward to be the root of the problems at united, seeing as he is the guy whos actually in charge of the entire club. but what you said about ajax is actually pretty relevant, because something like that is exactly what does need to happen at united. woodward needs to either sort his shit out in the next year or get fired and have the entire management at the club re-sorted. probably worth noting that the last transfer window makes it pretty clear that utd has decided to look at a longer term plan rather than find the biggest name available in the market and hope for a quick fix. whether the plan works and how patient fans and management get with poor results is a big question, but judging from the last transfer window only, it does seem like woodward has decided to change his direction. Woodward is an accountant. I am an accountant myself and I can tell you that if you give me a football club to run, all I care about will be the bottom line. When you have someone like that take charge of your transfer and negotiation, you're fucked royally. Period. The one thing that we tend to forget, is that Fergie wasn't the only one who left that year. We also lost David Gill. Having a chief executive who can make the correct decisions is crucial, especially with a new manager coming on board. That person needs to be able to influence the board, the sponsors and other stakeholders to get the best deal for the club, without which you can never get a good deal sorted. I still remember when Peter Kenyon left United to join Chelsea, after Abramovich took over. You could immediately see his impact when he snatched Duff out of United's hand. Yes Chelsea had money at the point but that's only one of the reasons. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4156 Posts
Now the problem is finding that manager who will do the above and it's not easy nowadays. Also United's squad is shit now and definitely should have bought 1-2 more attackers. But I believe they took a step in the right direction by not blindly signing stupid contracts. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8866 Posts
the last 6-7 seasons have been disastrous and there is very little sign that things will get better in the near future. as i mentioned in a previous post, the last transfer window is the first window since fergie left where we didnt go for a big name signing and hope that the player carries the team. we bought younger players, promoted some more youth and it seems the board and solksjaer have accepted that the team needs time. the only problem is because this was only during the last window, we dont know whats going to happen with the next windows. woodward may as well go back to his old ways of pulling dumb transfers out of his ass and firing solksjaer for poor results. the other frustrating thing is, even if woodward acts like an angel from this point forward, there is no guarantee that solksjaers young team can actually perform. i look at our starting 11 nowadays and i see literal boys trying to play a mens game, and they are totally out of their depth. the talent might not be such an issue but the kids just mentally cannot cope with the pressure and responsibility. this isnt going to get better with age because if you dont win anything in that time then youre not going to develop a positive mentality, you develop a losing one. basically we need a miracle senior signing (like van dijk was), we need a few more older successful players that can lead the young players, and then we still need our young players to step up anyway. so many conditions that can go wrong so easily at any point. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2052 Posts
On September 26 2019 10:44 Dante08 wrote: I believe people are overreacting to all this doom and gloom surrounding United. All you need is a good manager to be given time to build a team, win games and stand up to the board. Look at Liverpool before Klopp, tons and problems but Klopp came in and steadied the ship. It's not like Liverpool's problems have all disappeared but the fact that they are winning makes everything else irrelevant. I bet if Klopp goes to another club tomorrow Liverpool will look totally different. Now the problem is finding that manager who will do the above and it's not easy nowadays. Also United's squad is shit now and definitely should have bought 1-2 more attackers. But I believe they took a step in the right direction by not blindly signing stupid contracts. One of the main things about Klopp is that he brough in lot of the healthy modern football organization things they do in Dortmund and Liverpool was willing to go with them. One of his first requests was that Liverpool gets a sporting director to cooperate with him. Even if Klopp falls apart and retires or gets sacked, there's a guy in the organization who understands how their roster and philosophy work and hires a manager who is able to work with the players. The same goes for transfers and scouting, the sporting director understands business and football sides of it and cooperates with the manager to make sure their overall transfer strategy is sound. Meanwhile United keeps burning through managers without much of a visible plan. They been in an on/off process of hiring a sporting director for some 5 years now and it doesn't seem like there's much will in the existing club structure to go through any changes. As far as I can tell, very few managers could thrive in current Manchester United and the ones who could are probably scared of the resistance they'd face from inside the club. | ||
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sneirac
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sharkie
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28798 Posts
Arguably so far the best player for the #2 team in la liga!  I didn't watch the game but I'm reading he created 9 chances. | ||
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haitike
Spain2727 Posts
He has been incredible this season, best La Real player all matches. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On September 27 2019 05:15 sneirac wrote: nsfw for Drone: https://streamja.com/Wypr baby de bruyne :D that pass damn! | ||
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