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On May 08 2020 21:02 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2020 20:58 Twisted wrote: Yeah you can't compare the numbers between countries.. our official death toll is 5288, but that's only the deaths counted where corona was confirmed with a test, while it's probably double the amount. Same with confirmed tests. People who are tested are those with heavy symptoms and in need of hospital care and hospital staff. Not people with some fever and respiratory complaints who get cured by staying at home. wow double the amount? How come Netherlands has so many deaths? In Austria its the other way round that probably way too many deaths were accounted to covid but they just count any death with any correlation to it. So Austrian's official death toll will go down quite a lot once this is all over and time has been given to analyse everything -------- OOC (Corona might not be so deadly at all): Show nested quote +Prof Sir David Spiegelhalter at the University of Cambridge: "Many people who die of Covid [the disease caused by coronavirus] would have died anyway within a short period," he says https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654 Pretty sure that many of the victim's loved ones would have liked them to stick around for another few months/years until their heart gave out than to have them die that "shorter period" sooner due to Covid. Those people *did* die of Covid. They *might* have died anyway of something else, but that isn't what happened.
Just because you have terminal cancer when you're hit by a truck doesn't mean that doesn't count as an accidental death in road safety statistics...
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Think what the point of that comment was that the deaths being counted are just with COVID-19 in their system which might not have been a contributing factor because of whatever else they were in hospital for etc.
Still seems a harsh comment right now!
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Dynamo Dresden (2. Bundesliga) is now in full quarantine after having 2 more infected (they already had 1 or 2 in the first wave of tests). Obviously that also means no training or matches.
Let's see if Bundesliga (1+2) really restarts...
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I wonder if clubs can sue their players/staff for being so unresponsible? Dynamo Dresden could have serious problems with that now if the rest of the league continues
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
What if they picked it up without it being their fault, aka they got it from the super market shopping or the petrol station. Then they don't know they have it go training as usual and its impossible to stay 2 metres apart in football so it spreads.
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I can only talk about Austria but all corona cases here were nothing shopping related. They are even talking about how its next to impossible to get the corona virus from anything short term like shopping or taking public transport
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In Spain at least it is hard to get it shopping, gloves and masks are used by both the shoppers and the shop personal. And there is more distance than before.
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On May 10 2020 21:10 haitike wrote: In Spain at least it is hard to get it shopping, gloves and masks are used by both the shoppers and the shop personal. And there is more distance than before.
Ah what i meant to sayis that it was almost impossible to get through shopping even before all the measures against corona
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Restarting football anytime soon really feels to hasty. Greed all over.
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It's not greed this time. Without football restart, 13 of 36 Bundesliga teams (from 1st and 2nd league) are insolvent by 30th june 2020. Most teams are trying to have a "black zero" in the end (every year usually). Only the top 6 are trying to make a profit. Each team gets the same amount of money every 3 months from SKY, but they didn't get the last one (1st may usually). Sky only pays if they get football. All 13 teams would be saved under normal circumstances.
Because of those 13 teams, DFL and DFB are trying to restart and finish this season as soon as possible.
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I think some people dont realise what consequences it will have when football doesnt continue. It will have the same problems as any company which doesn't do any work at the moment. They will go bankrupt and then thousands of people will lose their jobs. Its not just the players
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In Portugal the health authorities have establshed pretty strict guidelines for football to restart. From regular mass testing to mandatory confinement for players - they essentially can't interact with anyone else in society. We're at the stage of having 100 to 200 cases per day and declining, with daily test capacity of 16000 so I really don't mind if a few hundred tests per week are used on players.
We're not just talking about this season, by the way. Conditions will not be dramatically better next fall.
And yeah, if football doesn't restart a number of clubs will go bankrupt, including the big ones.
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Wow Germany's infection rate is back above 1.....that is danger zone! Wonder if Bundesliga still goes ahead.
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On May 12 2020 02:31 Pandemona wrote: Wow Germany's infection rate is back above 1.....that is danger zone! Wonder if Bundesliga still goes ahead.
There have been 2 or 3 isolated incidents where a large portion of ( mostly eastern european) slaughterhouse employees got infected mainly due to not following the hygiene/distancing rules in regards to transportation and housing. I think it's highly unlikely that this will affect the Bundesliga.
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Seeing how 2020 has been going what happens during Hurricane season, never mind it being in Orlando. In the summer.
With no indications of when it could resume the season in home markets, MLS has proposed placing all 26 teams in the Orlando area this summer and playing competitive matches without spectators at the Disney sports complex and possibly other locations, multiple people familiar with the plan said.
The players, coaches and support staff, numbering more than 1,000, would live under quarantine at one of the large resorts near Disney World for an undetermined length of time, said those people, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the matter.
Teams would practice and play primarily at ESPN Wide World of Sports, which sits on 220 acres as part of Disney’s massive footprint in central Florida. Disney-owned ESPN is one of MLS’s broadcast partners.
Spokesmen for MLS and the MLS Players Association said they did not want to comment. The Walt Disney Co. did not reply to a message seeking comment.
The league is expected to accelerate plans over the next two weeks and set the framework for resuming a season that, because of the novel coronavirus pandemic, was shuttered after two weekends.
In jurisdictions where such activities are permitted, several teams have begun voluntary individual workouts. The league has postponed all matches until at least June 8, though the realistic timetable stretches deeper into the summer.
MLS hopes to soon allow players to begin training as part of small groups in local markets, a step the Bundesliga took last month before ramping up operations. The elite German circuit, along with the country’s second division, will resume this weekend with matches played without spectators.
Other European soccer leagues have also made plans to restart their seasons in the coming weeks.
Under its Orlando plan, MLS would welcome teams for workouts and multiple matches per day, which ESPN platforms would carry. It’s unclear whether the league’s other TV partners, Fox Sports and Univision, would show games.
Without spectators in the stadium, MLS is eyeing opportunities to bond with fans through behind-the-scenes packages and interactive engagement on ESPN and the league’s digital platform.
“We are more optimistic about what a return-to-play plan would look like,” Commissioner Don Garber said on Nashville SC’s website last week. “A month ago, we were very pessimistic.”
Last week, Florida partially reopened nonessential businesses, although sports venues, including ESPN Wide World of Sports, remain closed.
Players would have to be tested regularly — provided tests are even available in large quantities — and undergo regular medical evaluations.
They would not be allowed to bring their families, two people familiar with the plans said. For those with children, it would place a long-term burden on wives, and in general, put emotional strains on relationships.
The league would also have to consider the health and safety of hotel and stadium employees, bus drivers, security and TV crews, and accredited media. Presumably, MLS would have a contingency plan in place in case anyone tests positive.
“What is most important is to ensure they are safe in whatever environment we are able to develop to get them back to train first and then obviously get back to playing games,” Garber told Yahoo! Finance last week.
At some point, the league would plan to send teams home for games without spectators, though varying degrees of state restrictions might leave some unable to host matches in the foreseeable future.
The Orlando idea is among multiple options that have been considered by MLS, which, like other pro sports leagues, is exploring ways to play without endangering players and employees.
Among the MLS proposals is to select two or more geographic locations to stage workouts and matches this summer. The league has also braced for not playing any games until September, at the earliest.
MLS does have some calendar flexibility. The regular season is scheduled to end in early October and the postseason one month later. In the past, the playoffs have finished the second week of December.
League officials have said they would consider playing a truncated schedule into the winter and holding MLS Cup at a predetermined, warm-weather site in early 2021.
The scheduling plans come as MLS and the MLSPA continue to negotiate salary cuts for the players. The league, which relies heavily on game-day revenue, sent its latest proposal to the union late last week.
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On May 12 2020 05:51 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2020 02:31 Pandemona wrote: Wow Germany's infection rate is back above 1.....that is danger zone! Wonder if Bundesliga still goes ahead. There have been 2 or 3 isolated incidents where a large portion of ( mostly eastern european) slaughterhouse employees got infected mainly due to not following the hygiene/distancing rules in regards to transportation and housing. I think it's highly unlikely that this will affect the Bundesliga. It is a country wide rating though but i get your point if it is specific, but i heard that last weekend there was a lot of protests especially the one in Cologne which drew a lot of people to.
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On May 13 2020 02:00 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2020 05:51 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:On May 12 2020 02:31 Pandemona wrote: Wow Germany's infection rate is back above 1.....that is danger zone! Wonder if Bundesliga still goes ahead. There have been 2 or 3 isolated incidents where a large portion of ( mostly eastern european) slaughterhouse employees got infected mainly due to not following the hygiene/distancing rules in regards to transportation and housing. I think it's highly unlikely that this will affect the Bundesliga. It is a country wide rating though but i get your point if it is specific, but i heard that last weekend there was a lot of protests especially the one in Cologne which drew a lot of people to.
Yea there were protests all over the country, in Stuttgart 10000 people reportedly demonstrated against the strict measures taken by our governments. Not everyone is happy for example that Bundesliga resumes while schools and kindergartens are still partially closed. Either way we are still around 1000 new infections daily so far, let's see what the numbers look like in 2 weeks.
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Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
True ture, are any players not playing yet btw? Today Danny Rose is very unhappy players are being asked to play saying they should not play at all, has anyone done that in Bundesliga yet?
I am looking forward to Schalke vs Dortmund the weekend xD
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