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Vinekh
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Nixer
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Penev
28535 Posts
On December 07 2021 12:43 Nixer wrote: The way and where Max slowed down was quite peculiar, and obviously with the games being played at the DRS line in addition to Max consequently breaking slightly and suddenly you more easily end up in this mess. This isn't usually the way you give up a place, you don't place your car on the racing line or the middle of the track like that. There was still more than enough room left to pass on the left though, I don't think Hamilton is completely free of any criticism here. Notice how initially he claimed he didn't know what was going on but at the same time he did everything to not cross the drs line first showing he knew exactly what was going on. A situation like this is possible because the regulations make it so, as discussed earlier in the thread. Hopefully changes are made to prevent it in the future. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
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Penev
28535 Posts
On December 07 2021 22:30 Aristodemus wrote: ....and he would have passed him on the left without the slight change of direction from Max and sudden braking right before impact. The sudden breaking was after Hamilton positioned his car behind Verstappen's who was already driving slowly. You can hear Hamilton shifting down way before the break test occurred. Verstappen noticed Hamilton refusing to pass and, I imagine, got frustrated with this and braked even more which ultimately resulted in the 10 sec penalty. My point is Hamilton is partly to blame because he really didn't need to not pass Verstappen there and rules should be that when a driver is letting you pass like that you should. If Verstappen would have passed Hamilton immediately after with drs he would have been penalized again (this famously happened to Hamilton once) so that really wasn't an issue even though both drivers' behaviour showed they weren't aware of this at the time. Understandable with all that pressure I guess. In short: Hamilton shouldn't be allowed to position behind Verstappen while he easily could've passed and Verstappen should not be allowed to immediately pass Hamilton again (with the benefit of drs in this case). With the latter already being the rule. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
a) a track that seems unbelievably dangerous, with b) few good overtaking spots (particularly ones with much run-off), and c) the championship on the line between two competitors who have shown very little ability to race closely without crashing into each other, and d) the defending driver (Max) having some reputation for aggressive, borderline illegal defending in the best of times, with the added incentive that both of them crashing out would almost certainly make him world champion. Not necessarily saying it’s fair, but I would guess the stewards felt like they had to keep Max on an extremely short leash to avoid tragedy. I mean, I’d love to see Max (or, more accurately, any non-Mercedes whatsoever) win the championship, but I was deeply relieved to see the race result just because I was pretty sure at a minimum, Max and Lewis weren’t both going to finish. | ||
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Penev
28535 Posts
On December 08 2021 00:04 Aristodemus wrote: It all happened very quickly and while I see what you're saying I don't think Lewis was playing games with the drs line so to speak, he just didn't know what was going on and is wary of Max. The FIA really have to look at how they relay information. This statement from the stewards make it pretty clear Hamilton knew what was up: Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS [line]. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14155 Posts
Its so wild that despite all the drama and controversy, even with the penalty seconds, that it still wouldn't have mattered because max's rear wheels died so hard at the end that he wouldn't have been able to fight. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
Hamilton has 5 wins here, Verstappen has 1 Mercedez has 6 wins here, Red Bull have 4 Mercedez have 6 pole positions here, Red Bull have 4 Mercedez have 3 fastest laps here, Red Bull have 4 Hamilton has 9 podiums here, Verstappen has 3 Mercedez have 12 podiums here, Red Bull have 9 Mercedez have scored 332 points here, Red Bull 280 A picture of the last 2020 Grand Prix, which gave verstappen 3rd place, and Hamilton’s 1st place in the final drivers championship ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Q2SYJcl.jpg) | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
The headphones did not survive unfortunately, rip. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8270 Posts
On December 08 2021 09:19 Sermokala wrote: It doesn't help max's case that he did the trick with forcing lewis to take the lead during the drs trap and then passing him instantly a few laps later. Its so wild that despite all the drama and controversy, even with the penalty seconds, that it still wouldn't have mattered because max's rear wheels died so hard at the end that he wouldn't have been able to fight. Possibly not true. Max stated later that he completely lost the will to even bother fighting after all the debacle. He was simply fed up. He wasn't going to get a 5 second lead on Lewis anyways Without all the shit that happened, had Max still been ahead of Lewis towards the end, we would have definitively had a fight on our hands. His tires were gone tho, so I'm so so sure he'd be able to attempt to pass if he was behind | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
On December 08 2021 01:12 Penev wrote: This statement from the stewards make it pretty clear Hamilton knew what was up: Oh the irony | ||
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Penev
28535 Posts
Hehe, not really though; You were questioning the way they relay information not the actual information itself. Still, nice try  | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
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TheEmulator
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4107 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4107 Posts
On December 10 2021 01:16 xM(Z wrote: Max should never win a title; i blame him for ending Ricc's career at RedBull. you should be in the next season of Netflix's Drive to Survive | ||
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