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On January 27 2018 21:51 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 21:38 JimmiC wrote:
Yeah, and this is his offseason for his massive extension. At least boogies game is not built on explosiveness. However, can he handle losing some athletism? This injury is going to make signing him even riskier. I think he will get max contract with a shorter duration maybe? I feel he can lose some athletism since he can still be very good in the post and didn't rely on blasting through or by the defence before. Jumping though might be critical since he is so big.
Maybe he can give them a big injury discount and become MVP in 2 years, then they sign some top free agent after that.
On January 28 2018 09:16 cLutZ wrote:
Not really. Unless you have one of the players with a good contact it's better to keep your powder dry.
Can't have a league wherein every team that is not contending is tanking. If you can be a perennial playoff team that is competitive with the top championship contenders, you should take the plunge, even if it's just to be the foil for the next champion. They shouldn't waste Anthony Davis' prime hoping for a top 5 free agent who may never come.
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Clutz still with ridiculous contract talk scenarios lol.
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IT seriously needs to stfu.
Has he always been this obnoxious?
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I was really curious by Ace bagging on Wiggs because it seems so against-eye-test, so I did some research (not real research lol but just look at some nba sites on anything about him) and landed on this stuff from The Ringer:
This season, 94 different players have finished at least one possession per game with a shot, turnover, or drawn foul on an isolation play. Among that group, Wiggins ranks 94th in points per possession with just 0.56, which is less than half the rate at which the league’s elite isolation artists — Anthony Davis, James Harden, the currently unguardable Lou Williams, who’s first in the league — score. (All play-type numbers in this piece come from Synergy’s tracking system.)
Wiggins is shooting an unfathomably poor 22.2 percent on isolation possessions, he’s rarely getting to the line, and he’s struggling from all angles: He ranks in the 14th percentile of all isolation scorers from the left side, the second from the right side, and the fifth from the top of the key.
On isolation plays after a pick-and-roll switch — in other words, when matched against a defender who’s theoretically ill-suited to combat Wiggins’s combination of size and on-ball fluidity — he’s made just one basket and drawn one foul in 14 possessions. The most effective way to attack Golden State — a potential second-round opponent for the Timberwolves — is to force Steph Curry into unnavigable matchups with bigger ball handlers, but Wiggins doesn’t fluster the Warrior guard on this possession.
Nor does he exhibit much ability to finish in traffic against opponents of all sizes.
Amid an otherwise breakthrough season for the playoff-starved Wolves, Wiggins has struggled to find a flow alongside new teammate Jimmy Butler, and his play has cast some doubts about the max extension he signed before the season. In the long term, it’s hard to bet against a 22-year-old with a career average of 19.9 points per game, but for the moment, it’s strange that a player with as much pure talent as Wiggins possesses is the worst in the league at the sport’s purest individual test: beating his man, one on one, to score.
tldr;
- There are 94 players in NBA now who have made iso plays. AW ranks last with 0.56 ppp, half than iso scorers like Harden
- AW is 22.2% iso fg
- But, AW is 22 with 19.9 ppg
Just wow. I kinda agree, AW is kinda bust-ish.
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no he is not good compared to an average player.
he was very bad for 2+ years and is improving. he'll probably be average by the end of the year.
every defense metric correctly assessed him as teh worst starting SF on defense in the 2016-2017 season. he has improved his defense this year and is below average.
Adreian Payne, got waived by Orlando. i wonder how much Orlando investigated before waiving him.
"Charges were never filed and a Title IX investigation was eventually conducted that did not find Payne and Appling violated any policy."
wow. i just hope this MSU thing erodes more of the NCAA's influence and allows the G League to continue to flourish.
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On January 28 2018 09:50 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 09:16 cLutZ wrote:
Not really. Unless you have one of the players with a good contact it's better to keep your powder dry. Why? You think a top 5 player ever going to sign with NO?
Doesn't matter. Your job is to find underrated players as NO. Same as the Spurs model.
On January 28 2018 10:23 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 21:51 NarutO wrote:On January 27 2018 21:38 JimmiC wrote:
Yeah, and this is his offseason for his massive extension. At least boogies game is not built on explosiveness. However, can he handle losing some athletism? This injury is going to make signing him even riskier. I think he will get max contract with a shorter duration maybe? I feel he can lose some athletism since he can still be very good in the post and didn't rely on blasting through or by the defence before. Jumping though might be critical since he is so big. Maybe he can give them a big injury discount and become MVP in 2 years, then they sign some top free agent after that. Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 09:16 cLutZ wrote:
Not really. Unless you have one of the players with a good contact it's better to keep your powder dry. Can't have a league wherein every team that is not contending is tanking. If you can be a perennial playoff team that is competitive with the top championship contenders, you should take the plunge, even if it's just to be the foil for the next champion. They shouldn't waste Anthony Davis' prime hoping for a top 5 free agent who may never come.
That is a criticism of the current CBA, not my philosophy. Indeed, it has been a series of poorly thought out win now moves that got NO where they were right before the Boogie trade. They are essentially going down the CLE with Lebron path, but with little indication that Davis is dictating every move as Lebron did and is doing again.
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Fans of tanking teams are more hopeful and enthusiastic than fans of 41 win teams.
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just because Philly is bad at tanking doesn't mean tanking is bad.
with the G-League becoming a full fledged developmental system and NCAA basketball constantly dodging scandal after scandal the new alternative to tanking is stock piling draft picks and "draft and develop" like an MLB team. put your resources//money into development and don't sign above average players to max deals.
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Teams tank to get AD and boogie on rookie contracts and the first extension.
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On January 29 2018 00:12 JimmiC wrote:
If you are comparing him to superstars he is bad. If you are comparing him to average players he is good. No point continuing to go round and round time will answer where he ends up. Dont let the trolls pull you in.
Yeah that's what I mean, mainly as a #1. And I think the "But" part counts too.
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On January 29 2018 03:42 cLutZ wrote:
Fans of tanking teams are more hopeful and enthusiastic than fans of 41 win teams.
Sad but true part of the NBA business.
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On January 29 2018 03:38 JimmiC wrote:
Which works as long as you get spectacular coaching and hit on a Tim Duncan and Kawhi. I'm not arguing that Boogie is the best or anything. Just that to NO he is worth a max. Likely with him they can resign AD and be perennial playoff team with hope of more if they get they right underrated late round draft steals.
The way I see it is, if you don't sign him AD likely walks too and then you are left to tank and start again. And how much better of a core do you expect to get? Like is boogie AD holiday that much worse then Embid Futlz Simmons? And philly tanked for a near decade to get that and they are no closer to a championship. The pelicans might leave the city if they sucked as long as the sixers did given the market.
Overspending on a talented guy like boogie is only a mistake if you could spend it on something better, I don't believe they could.
Pretty much +100
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On January 29 2018 06:54 cLutZ wrote:
Teams tank to get AD and boogie on rookie contracts and the first extension.
He's got a damn good point here.
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van vleet is too sweet. 
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Just witnessed possibly the most pointless replay review of all time. DET got whistled for offensive basket interference, but the tip-in missed anyway and Cavs got the rebound. They decided to review whether it was actually offensive goal-tending. If it was it would be Cavs ball side out. If it wasn't, it would be Cavs ball side out since the Cavs got the rebound. So the exact same result either way. A small change to the game record that I'm sure nobody will ever care about.
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EPT
