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On February 22 2018 07:58 bObaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 07:20 sneirac wrote:On February 22 2018 07:06 bObaZ wrote:On February 22 2018 01:36 sneirac wrote:
VAR at it's very worst is still an improvement over not having VAR at all, at least in germany.
Most of the criticism here is that it isn't just enough which is just absurd and that apparently you cannot celebrate goals anymore because they might get overruled, which you know never happened with offside goals before VAR...
In the short term they just need to make VAR presentation/decisions in stadium better and make it take less time. If you want to have the referee look at shit himself do it immediately and don't talk to him for 2 minutes first.
Oh and ffs someone stop the crowding of the referee. Preferably in general but especially after VAR usage. + Show Spoiler +Just to give another atrocious example of the Portuguese VAR. This happened 3 hours ago. Porto was playing Estoril and by the 52nd minute Porto was losing 1-0. Then this happened: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/5BpjauE.jpg) The problem with VAR is that when people are corrupt you can't do anything about it but now it will just become more blatantly obvious. To corroborate Rebs, the linesman didn't see this atrocious offside. So the referee asked VAR about it and the goal was validated. I was seeing the game with a Porto supporter and when he saw the replay he said instantly "fuck, the guy is offside the goal will be overuled" Then Portuguese football happened. I'm tired of this corrupt football.. I feel you but if people are corrupt it doesn't matter if VARis implemented or not. It doesn't matter if you ignore rules with or without reviewing them. If anything maybe people will start to ask more questions now as to why the decisions are still so bad if VAR is in use. Which people will start to ask more questions? Porto supporters are like this for 30 years. Sporting supporters don't care as long as Benfica doesn't win. Benfica supporters have a lot on their mind since all the internal emails from the club for the.last 9 seasons have been hacked and leaked. So Portuguese football is worse than a Mexican soap opera. ]
VAR is as people indicated just a tool. If after all this evidence a big club is cheating then that just means that the Portuguese average fan doesn't care enough about it to make a case to a larger body. Thats about it really.
All VAR can do in this case is offer evidence, it wont end corruption all by itself.
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Thank God I decided not to stay up for the United match
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On February 22 2018 12:01 Dante08 wrote:
Thank God I decided not to stay up for the United match
It was one of the best attacking football ive seen United playing. 20+ attempts only if their goalkeeper hadnt been making clutch saves and we were wearing our lucky red shirt instead of white...
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I said to everyone including sneirac that the Yanited game would be 0-0 and Mourinho would be happy. Mourinho in the champions league away from home is, do not lose and bring it back home. He would have loved an away goal but he is more than happy with a 0-0. Now he just has to win at home to go through which he should do more than comfortably you would expect.
It is just the way he treats that competition and you can't really blame him just the way he approaches it. Just it ain't good to watch as a neutral.
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You can blame him because Sevilla might very well have scored. He was in the end lucky it worked out.
With a squad that is worth 3 times as much you should aim to get your win chances above 60/40. But apparently he does not trust his team enough for that.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
He never does, he would have only changed his approach if he went 1-0 down as then in his head he needs the away goal. Then he would have shut up shop again, but a 0-0 ain't a disaster for him if anything its a "good" result.
Didn't Yanited also nearly score? Lukaku volley from 6 yards and a disallowed goal for handball?
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The thing is he can play in such weird style versus unstable Sevilla with weak coach.
There is no way it works with RMA, Bayern, or even Barca.
And Pogba plays like a world champ, with such "passion"...Overrated kinda?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
He did rest a couple of players this game i think i am not convinced that is the team he would choose to play in a final for example. Still only way you can criticize imo is if they fail to advance.
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Probably it's not up to me to criticize his playstyle and fasion, MU fans should do that. Just for neutral observer it looks horrible without any symphaty. City is joyful to watch, TTH and Chelsea somewhere close, but MU is just an awful show.
It's a wonder how he can spent so much money for transfers and still make it boring.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah that is no question, Yanited fans will be ok with it like Chelsea fans where when you win, even when we lost at Chelsea we still adored him for the past but when he wins you don't care. Of course as Neutral you can point and laugh when you see big stars having to defend for 90 minutes like they are playing Barca/Real
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Wait you're admitting that Mourinho busparking makes for horribly boring games? But I thought tikitaka was what destroys neutrals and is most boring thing ever.
Highlight I missed cos not uploaded yesterday:
Last minute goalline save by defender that prevented 3-1 Donezk.
https://streamable.com/j5sgh
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On February 22 2018 22:33 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah that is no question, Yanited fans will be ok with it like Chelsea fans where when you win, even when we lost at Chelsea we still adored him for the past but when he wins you don't care. Of course as Neutral you can point and laugh when you see big stars having to defend for 90 minutes like they are playing Barca/Real
I do wonder what counts as winning though. Is it sufficient to finish top 4 in PL and round of 8 in UCL with boring play? There might be limited patience if he doesn't contest top titles.
In Chelsea he won stuff. In United he has won League Cup and Europa League, neither which is really considered quality silverware for team of United's stature.
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Norway28916 Posts
östersund is a city in the middle of sweden with 44k inhabitants. as late as 2011, they were in the fourth tier division in sweden. and at least to my knowledge, they didn't become good cause of external money or whatever, just great managing and somewhat of a golden generation. pretty damn amazing what they've managed to do tbh.
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Bergamo was fun to watch. Fast, aggressive, precise. Wrong team advanced in that leg. (But: Fuck racist fans)
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Heh, the Östersund fans that travelled all the way to London must be having a wild party right now.
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We must not allow them to leave the country! /s
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On February 23 2018 06:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:
östersund is a city in the middle of sweden with 44k inhabitants. as late as 2011, they were in the fourth tier division in sweden. and at least to my knowledge, they didn't become good cause of external money or whatever, just great managing and somewhat of a golden generation. pretty damn amazing what they've managed to do tbh.
I heard somewhere that they have some pretty crazy recruiting strats so unless they are able to continue doing so I would probably put it down to luck.
Still convincing anyone to move to nowhereville Sweden and for them to actually be as good as some of their players are is pretty impressive.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On February 23 2018 04:27 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 22:33 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah that is no question, Yanited fans will be ok with it like Chelsea fans where when you win, even when we lost at Chelsea we still adored him for the past but when he wins you don't care. Of course as Neutral you can point and laugh when you see big stars having to defend for 90 minutes like they are playing Barca/Real I do wonder what counts as winning though. Is it sufficient to finish top 4 in PL and round of 8 in UCL with boring play? There might be limited patience if he doesn't contest top titles. In Chelsea he won stuff. In United he has won League Cup and Europa League, neither which is really considered quality silverware for team of United's stature.
Yeah of course they need to be winning and challenging. If they manage to finish 2nd this season no matter the point gap to City it is a vast increase on 6th or whatever last season. They need a good run in the FA cup as well plus at least a quarter final appearance in the champions league maybe more. If they did that it is an improvement but next season they need to be winning something like a prem title if he continues this style of footers.
But Hey Yanited gave him a new big contract they must be happy 
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No they gave him a new contract, because otherwise it would be boring and not expensive enough when he inevitable loses either the locker room or the club leadership after/during his 3rd year.
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