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On February 15 2018 21:05 Pandemona wrote:
You think Atletico with Greizman in great form and Costa back could lose to Copenhagen? I think Atletico will walk this competition and that might stutter their challenge for La Liga title if they do though in which being 7 points off Barcelona and having to play them, with also Real Madrid playing Barcelona to come as well could have made that fun.
Okay. You're right. It should be a one-sided stomp. But I *want* it to be an upset 
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Adrien Rabiot, 22, had some pretty loaded comments after the clash at the Santiago Bernabeu as the young midfielder seemed to take a swipe at PSG’s star attackers Neymar, Kylian Mbappe and Edinson Cavani who had an off night in the UCL Round of 16 first leg.
“The problem is that it’s easy to score eight goals in Dijon, but these are the kinds of matches we need to be winning,” Rabiot said. “As usual, we had chances, although they weren’t quite clear. When you play against teams like this they have two or three chances and they end up going in.”
Rabiot, who scored PSG’s lone goal in Madrid to give the French champions a first half lead, has a point. He and Marco Verrati gave Les Parisiens a solid platform from which to attack Real Madrid but Neymar and Co. squandered chances and went missing.
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Well Cavani has always been over rated as fuck. Like Higuain hes a guy who feasts on weak teams but then tries the same shit against quality opposition and it dont work.
Mbappe and Neymar I think had a real humbling experience imo where they got plenty of space to run at the Real defense and man to man real was able to just shut them down alot more often then they were used to. I enjoyed that they were taking defenders on but there wasnt enough end product because I dont think they are used to handling that level of skill.
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On February 15 2018 23:02 Rebs wrote:
Well Cavani has always been over rated as fuck. Like Higuain hes a guy who feasts on weak teams but then tries the same shit against quality opposition and it dont work.
Mbappe and Neymar I think had a real humbling experience imo where they got plenty of space to run at the Real defense and man to man real was able to just shut them down alot more often then they were used to. I enjoyed that they were taking defenders on but there wasnt enough end product because I dont think they are used to handling that level of skill.
Mbappe maybe, but Neymar should be used to playing vs Madrid by now. He has played in god knows how many Classicos! Of course, he was in a different position, but outplaying defenders was definitely also one of his key roles at Barça. While you can definitely fault Neymar, Mbappe and Cavani for failing to deliver yesterday, it's a bit bizarre to claim it's because Neymar (and Cavani) don't know how to play against big teams. This seems more like confirmation bias. Everybody was predicting PSG would fail because they aren't used to playing against big teams, now they did indeed fail, it therefore *must be* because they aren't used to playing against big teams. That kinda neglects the fact that RM seem to on the way back from their (long) slump, and their season is basically over except for CL football... which they do well at (somehow) even when they are otherwise slumping *anyway*.
Whether PSG should beat RM? They have a team capable of doing so. Then again, so did a lot of teams last year, yet RM won the CL without even really breaking a sweat (after their problematic group stage).
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On February 16 2018 00:42 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 23:02 Rebs wrote:
Well Cavani has always been over rated as fuck. Like Higuain hes a guy who feasts on weak teams but then tries the same shit against quality opposition and it dont work.
Mbappe and Neymar I think had a real humbling experience imo where they got plenty of space to run at the Real defense and man to man real was able to just shut them down alot more often then they were used to. I enjoyed that they were taking defenders on but there wasnt enough end product because I dont think they are used to handling that level of skill. Mbappe maybe, but Neymar should be used to playing vs Madrid by now. He has played in god knows how many Classicos! Of course, he was in a different position, but outplaying defenders was definitely also one of his key roles at Barça. While you can definitely fault Neymar, Mbappe and Cavani for failing to deliver yesterday, it's a bit bizarre to claim it's because Neymar (and Cavani) don't know how to play against big teams. This seems more like confirmation bias. Everybody was predicting PSG would fail because they aren't used to playing against big teams, now they did indeed fail, it therefore *must be* because they aren't used to playing against big teams. That kinda neglects the fact that RM seem to on the way back from their (long) slump, and their season is basically over except for CL football... which they do well at (somehow) even when they are otherwise slumping *anyway*. Whether PSG should beat RM? They have a team capable of doing so. Then again, so did a lot of teams last year, yet RM won the CL without even really breaking a sweat (after their problematic group stage).
You would be surprised how easy it is to fall into a trap of falling out of touch with the things you can and cant do when you havent been tested for a while. I also didnt say they "dont know" how to play against that level of opponent, i said they werent used to it.
Playing against quality opposition also involves conditioning and is an exercise in decision making as it is in execution and skill. And while the skill may be there the decision making was extremely lacking and it was clear that Neymar was trying to do things that he expected to work and they didnt. It would be asinine to deny some of the hubris in the things he was trying early in the game especially.
That was my point. Although I suppose my wording couldve been better. Saying they arent used to it seems to imply they were never used to it, which I didnt mean to imply. My bad on that.
I am not sure whose confirmation bias you are talking about but I expected PSG to win and made no comment regarding my expected result anyway so not sure where that is coming.
Additionally, I am one of the few people here who didnt shit on Madrid for not reinforcing their squad because the squad is good enough to win anything. They just werent executing and had a bad spell. That happens to everyone from time to time and , that can change very quickly regardless of what you have left to play for.
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On February 15 2018 11:37 nayumi wrote:I don't disagree with his statement though I don't think it's releva in this case. The penalty was given on the basis that the PSG player pulled Kroos. That was a foul, maybe a soft one but I don't see anywhere in the rule book that says it's okay to put your hand on the shoulder of another player when he gets past you. The intention was to stop Kroos and the action was in violation of the rule book so it's a foul. Kroos could have moved on, dived or sang Copacabana for all I care but it wouldn't change fact that it was a foul and a penalty
Oh, so why the Sergio Ramos foul inside the box against Gremio's Ramiro wasn't called a penalty? Disgusting cheaters. Unai sucks but he says it all:
"Their penalty was not very clear and there was a clear penalty for us for a handball by Ramos. The referee took decisions that damaged us."
Mbappe and Neymar
Who is mbappe? He's good I'll give you that, but PSG is ripping what they saw. They lured Neymar saying he would be the uncontested protagonist. He ends up with an expensive teen team-mate with an enormous salary, with the mediocre coach allowing average player Cavani to shit storm for attention, ends up with good player Matuidi sold and a very limited squad instead of buying player like a decent goalkeeper at least, etc. etc.
because I dont think they are used to handling that level of skill.
Wash your mouth Paki (you offended me too before so you had that one coming), Neymar has put up 3-0 against Spain, Argentina, 4-0 against Madrid, scored 3 against Neuer to put Barca in the CL final, scored in Olympics, CL, Libertadores, Confederations cup, Spanish cups, BR cup, finals. being the top scorers in pretty much all of these as well.
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On February 16 2018 01:13 N1E wrote:
Wash your mouth Paki (you offended me too before so you had that one coming), Neymar has put up 3-0 against Spain, Argentina, 4-0 against Madrid, scored 3 against Neuer to put Barca in the CL final, scored in Olympics, CL, Libertadores, Confederations cup, Spanish cups, BR cup, finals. being the top scorers in pretty much all of these as well.
yawnn...
On February 16 2018 01:02 Rebs wrote:
You would be surprised how easy it is to fall into a trap of falling out of touch with the things you can and cant do when you havent been tested for a while. I also didnt say they "dont know" how to play against that level of opponent, i said they werent used to it.
Playing against quality opposition also involves conditioning and is an exercise in decision making as it is in execution and skill. And while the skill may be there the decision making was extremely lacking and it was clear that Neymar was trying to do things that he expected to work and they didnt. It would be asinine to deny some of the hubris in the things he was trying early in the game especially.
That was my point.
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On February 16 2018 01:16 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2018 01:02 Rebs wrote:
You would be surprised how easy it is to fall into a trap of falling out of touch with the things you can and cant do when you havent been tested for a while. I also didnt say they "dont know" how to play against that level of opponent, i said they werent used to it.
Playing against quality opposition also involves conditioning and is an exercise in decision making as it is in execution and skill. And while the skill may be there the decision making was extremely lacking and it was clear that Neymar was trying to do things that he expected to work and they didnt. It would be asinine to deny some of the hubris in the things he was trying early in the game especially. That was my point.
I'll agree that Neymar didn't have his best match, especially at the start of the game. What they should be prepared is for playing against 14 man. But put yourself in their shoes, why should they stay quiet and play against 14 year after year? Even if they struggled and accepted it, they would still face other UEFA favored teams next rounds. They have to express discontent. And it's not only PSG, it happened against Bayern last year in CL.
Most of the times Neymar has delivered in high pressure games, yesterday he didn't. But he was still better than non-existent Cavani and others. I wouldn't be surprised if Draxler started instead of Lo Celso next game, and Di Maria instead of Cavani (with Mbappe up front). Hopefully Kurzawa comes back and he, Thiago Silva, Unai and Verrati get over the Barca thing last year and prepare with Neymar for Paris. They were cheated together this time and they are on the same boat now. 2-0 at home and they still go through.
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Taken but I don't regret it. Did Rebs get warned for his ad-hominem? I've seen others do posts same or like mine and no warning as well. I feel like PSG, with Madrid refereeing this. 
Anyways, what goes around comes around (sooner or later), so as long as it's the same for all I don't mind staying in line.
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On February 16 2018 01:52 N1E wrote:Taken but I don't regret it. Did Rebs get warned for his ad-hominem? I've seen others do posts same or like mine and no warning as well. I feel like PSG, with Madrid refereeing this. Anyways, what goes around comes around (sooner or later), so as long as it's the same for all I don't mind staying in line.
Does staying in line include dropping unfounded nonsense conspiracy theories?
Also I think you have mocking of said conspiracy theories confused with racial slurs.There isnt much of an equivalence.
In fairness, no one of my ethnicity outside of Pandeland + Show Spoiler +UK, GB, England, The Empire etc etc
Or well, I guess I didn't appreciate the implication that my oral hygiene is'nt up to par. I take good care of that.
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I always wanted this guy to play to get me sweet fpl points. This is better. #Batsman (holy shit we are horrible again and again and again :D)
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Bats is great. But I was most surprised by Schürrle. Guy is suddenly good again. And not just being dangerous occasionally but really working hard and doing good things all the time.
Opposite of Schürrle was Pulisic who failed at everything he tried.
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On February 16 2018 04:54 Redox wrote:
Bats is great. But I was most surprised by Schürrle. Guy is suddenly good again. And not just being dangerous occasionally but really working hard and doing good things all the time.
Opposite of Schürrle was Pulisic who failed at everything he tried.
Is this the first longer healthy run Schurrle has had in years? It feels like that to me at least.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Chelsea connection bringing out Schurle greatness? :D
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Atletico Madrid losing against Copenhagen as of right now. What an upset that would be!
edit ...aaand it's gone. XD
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Haha yeah jesus, no worries 2-1 up now
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On February 16 2018 01:13 N1E wrote:
Oh, so why the Sergio Ramos foul inside the box against Gremio's Ramiro wasn't called a penalty? Disgusting cheaters. Unai sucks but he says it all:
"Their penalty was not very clear and there was a clear penalty for us for a handball by Ramos. The referee took decisions that damaged us."
That's your argument? It's not a crime to kill somebody because I saw another guy did it and he wasn't caught?
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On February 16 2018 00:42 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 23:02 Rebs wrote:
Well Cavani has always been over rated as fuck. Like Higuain hes a guy who feasts on weak teams but then tries the same shit against quality opposition and it dont work.
Mbappe and Neymar I think had a real humbling experience imo where they got plenty of space to run at the Real defense and man to man real was able to just shut them down alot more often then they were used to. I enjoyed that they were taking defenders on but there wasnt enough end product because I dont think they are used to handling that level of skill. Mbappe maybe, but Neymar should be used to playing vs Madrid by now. He has played in god knows how many Classicos! Of course, he was in a different position, but outplaying defenders was definitely also one of his key roles at Barça. While you can definitely fault Neymar, Mbappe and Cavani for failing to deliver yesterday, it's a bit bizarre to claim it's because Neymar (and Cavani) don't know how to play against big teams. This seems more like confirmation bias. Everybody was predicting PSG would fail because they aren't used to playing against big teams, now they did indeed fail, it therefore *must be* because they aren't used to playing against big teams. That kinda neglects the fact that RM seem to on the way back from their (long) slump, and their season is basically over except for CL football... which they do well at (somehow) even when they are otherwise slumping *anyway*. Whether PSG should beat RM? They have a team capable of doing so. Then again, so did a lot of teams last year, yet RM won the CL without even really breaking a sweat (after their problematic group stage).
Neymar is still the same player, it's the team that he's playing with that's not capable of beating Real as well that's all. The skill gap between Barcelona and PSG is much larger in clutch games like this. That's also a problem of dominating in a second tier league like Ligue 1 where PSG can pretty much play however the fuck they want and still gets results.
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On February 16 2018 09:30 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2018 00:42 Acrofales wrote:On February 15 2018 23:02 Rebs wrote:
Well Cavani has always been over rated as fuck. Like Higuain hes a guy who feasts on weak teams but then tries the same shit against quality opposition and it dont work.
Mbappe and Neymar I think had a real humbling experience imo where they got plenty of space to run at the Real defense and man to man real was able to just shut them down alot more often then they were used to. I enjoyed that they were taking defenders on but there wasnt enough end product because I dont think they are used to handling that level of skill. Mbappe maybe, but Neymar should be used to playing vs Madrid by now. He has played in god knows how many Classicos! Of course, he was in a different position, but outplaying defenders was definitely also one of his key roles at Barça. While you can definitely fault Neymar, Mbappe and Cavani for failing to deliver yesterday, it's a bit bizarre to claim it's because Neymar (and Cavani) don't know how to play against big teams. This seems more like confirmation bias. Everybody was predicting PSG would fail because they aren't used to playing against big teams, now they did indeed fail, it therefore *must be* because they aren't used to playing against big teams. That kinda neglects the fact that RM seem to on the way back from their (long) slump, and their season is basically over except for CL football... which they do well at (somehow) even when they are otherwise slumping *anyway*. Whether PSG should beat RM? They have a team capable of doing so. Then again, so did a lot of teams last year, yet RM won the CL without even really breaking a sweat (after their problematic group stage). Neymar is still the same player, it's the team that he's playing with that's not capable of beating Real as well that's all. The skill gap between Barcelona and PSG is much larger in clutch games like this. That's also a problem of dominating in a second tier league like Ligue 1 where PSG can pretty much play however the fuck they want and still gets results.
To be fair even in the CL the signs were there starting with the return leg with Bayern, but the action before that was just so blisteringly dominant that it didnt seem to matter much and one couldnt be faulted to much for not taking it to seriously.
All this aside though. The way the last game looked overall there is a very strong possibility that PSG can actually turn this around if they get their heads in the right place on an individual level in certain spaces. Thats where the coaching and the prep matters alot and the difference between a guy like Unai and your Peps/Mou's (when he was relevant lel) tends to display itself.
Especially the front 3 because for large parts of the game Rabiot and Verrati were superior to Modric, Kroos and Casemiro and that was where I thought personally PSG would struggle. Atleast until they got gassed because winning that MF with that front 3 against quality teams is probably one of the hardest things you can try to do.
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The PSG criticism is overblown anyway. They lost an away game against Real Madrid. Ok, it is not like that never happened to anyone.
And they were also not getting dominated. It was a close game that largely came down to ref decisions.
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