EPTwhen Gremio scored the first goal it was like GG WP
i got we a few friends to drink and watch the finals, was hoping Lanus would at least some show character.
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
when Gremio scored the first goal it was like GG WP i got we a few friends to drink and watch the finals, was hoping Lanus would at least some show character. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On November 30 2017 15:59 Pr0wler wrote: Yeah, that waste of time is coming soon... You say that because your team can't ever get there? Heheh But seriously, it might not be that interesting for Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Chelsea, etc, but for every other non multi billionaire team in the world it is the highest they can achieve. Btw, top 5 team from South America I'd say are better than the vast majority of European teams, except for the gigantic ones like Real, Barça, Bayern, etc. | ||
Pandemona
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fabiano
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Imagine Boca Juniors, River Plate, Corinthians, Grêmio and Palmeiras in the Premier League. I would guess they would easily be floating from 6º to 11º place, but that's because it is very very hard to beat Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, MU and City. But Watford? Everton? Leicester? I think the 5 teams can stand their ground just fine, fair and square. Also, consider the fact that European teams usually break South American teams by buying out their best players. If that would not happen through this "special" Premier League, then the SA teams would perform better. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 30 2017 23:52 fabiano wrote: Actually, yes. Sevilla is tough, though. Imagine Boca Juniors, River Plate, Corinthians, Grêmio and Palmeiras in the Premier League. I would guess they would easily be floating from 6º to 11º place, but that's because it is very very hard to beat Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, MU and City. But Watford? Everton? Leicester? I think the 5 teams can stand their ground just fine, fair and square. Also, consider the fact that European teams usually break South American teams by buying out their best players. If that would not happen through this "special" Premier League, then the SA teams would perform better. You arent giving european teams credit for develping those players though. Most SA players dont just go straight to the big teams, (sure a few do, but thats the exception not the rule) but most go to mid tier Europe and get built into what they are. That doesnt seem to be the case for SA players that stay, so there is something to be said for that. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
Also where the hell did that Everton performance come from? | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On December 01 2017 00:53 Greg_J wrote: Not sure if it's relevant to the discussion but Korean clubs sure love a Brazilian. This year only 55% of the over seas players are Brazilian but there have been seasons when it's been even higher like 60-70% of the non Korean players are Brazilians trying to make a name for themselves. Also where the hell did that Everton performance come from? Everton the english team or the Grêmio player? If the later, he didnt play in this last game. You might be confusing him with Luan (second goal) or Arthur (the midfielder). Btw, I believe Arthur is going to play for Barça, or some other giant, next year. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 01 2017 00:58 fabiano wrote: Everton the english team or the Grêmio player? If the later, he didnt play in this last game. You might be confusing him with Luan (second goal) or Arthur (the midfielder). Btw, I believe Arthur is going to play for Barça, or some other giant, next year. Hes talking about Everton the English team. Also East Asia has always had a health Brazilian player population. Before the improved mobility of African (and willingness of eastern European players) South Americans, Brazilian in particular made the bulk of the foreign players in Japan aswell. Granted these are all people who never made it to the European leagues, (not always because of talent reasons) but they still help raise the level a fair bit. Since there is a bit of money in east Asian leagues now the diaspora of foreign players in these places has became way more diverse than it was like I dono.. 15 years ago. | ||
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Greg_J
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
everyone loves brazilian players and even the most shitty ones goes for stupid amounts of money just because they are from brazil | ||
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sharkie
Austria18637 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On December 01 2017 01:23 Faruko wrote: to be honest everyone loves brazilian players and even the most shitty ones goes for stupid amounts of money just because they are from brazil But the money is thrown at them from lesser leagues aka, China/Russia/Ukraine where they have huge influx of just mediocre at best South Americans. The best of the best of course are well placed in Europe's elite but it isn't that many of them is it. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On December 01 2017 01:25 sharkie wrote: Most SA teams and players lack the discipline to be able to challenge a midtable European time over long periods of time imo. And the money, they lack the money too. Take a look at total market value of the strongest South American teams and the current 5th and 6th places of some European national leagues. South America: Boca Juniors - £70.22m Grêmio - £59.76m Corinthians - £51.53m Palmeiras - £76.05m Spain: Sevilla - £206.78m Villareal - £163.62m Italy: Lazio - £181.76m Sampdoria - £93.49m England: Liverpool - £463.05m Burnley - £82.35m German: Borussia Dortmund - £395.01m Bayer Leverkusen - £197.91m Source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18292 Posts
On December 01 2017 02:07 fabiano wrote: And the money, they lack the money too. Take a look at total market value of the strongest South American teams and the current 5th and 6th places of some European national leagues. South America: Boca Juniors - £70.22m Grêmio - £59.76m Corinthians - £51.53m Palmeiras - £76.05m Spain: Sevilla - £206.78m Villareal - £163.62m Italy: Lazio - £181.76m Sampdoria - £93.49m England: Liverpool - £463.05m Burnley - £82.35m German: Borussia Dortmund - £395.01m Bayer Leverkusen - £197.91m Source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ To be fair, a direct comparison in absolute monetary value is not really fair: the cost of many things is simply lower in South America. It's a fair point that any South American star (or potential star) is immediately bought up by foreign clubs with more money, there is no shortage of talent in South American clubs, and the transfer market there is just as vibrant as anywhere. Moreover, there is less cultural adaptation needed for a Colombian to Brazil than for that same Colombian to England. The main issue, imho, is consistency and organization. Tactically, Brazilian club football looks like it was stuck in the 80s: it's still largely based on the idea of having a few individual masterminds who can magic the ball into the goal. Sometimes it's amazing to watch. Most of the time it's just appalling failure to get past a haphazard defense due to the complete failure to organize and have any type of coherence in the midfield. Or at least, that was my impression from watching matches while living there. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Anyway, this is the kind of thing we will never really know, it will forever lie on the theoretical world. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
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On November 30 2017 23:27 fabiano wrote: You say that because your team can't ever get there? Heheh But seriously, it might not be that interesting for Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Chelsea, etc, but for every other non multi billionaire team in the world it is the highest they can achieve. Btw, top 5 team from South America I'd say are better than the vast majority of European teams, except for the gigantic ones like Real, Barça, Bayern, etc. The CL is the highest achievement in club football. Every club in Europe ,even the "non multi billionaire" ones , value CL the highest. This world cup is just like every other summer advertising tour that most big teams make. The problem is that it's in the middle of the season. The teams are compromising their physical condition and waste time in travel instead of focusing on the competitions that actually matter. This is why I think that it's a complete waste of time. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18637 Posts
On December 01 2017 04:52 Pr0wler wrote: The CL is the highest achievement in club football. Every club in Europe ,even the "non multi billionaire" ones , value CL the highest. This world cup is just like every other summer advertising tour that most big teams make. The problem is that it's in the middle of the season. The teams are compromising their physical condition and waste time in travel instead of focusing on the competitions that actually matter. This is why I think that it's a complete waste of time. It's not a waste of time for the non European teams in the world cup... | ||
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Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 01 2017 05:10 Pr0wler wrote: I'm not sure even about that. I don't know why would they value one promotional tournament more than their domestic competitions. Fortunate then that its not for you who decides it for them. | ||
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