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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18713 Posts
October 25 2017 05:38 GMT
#2121
On October 25 2017 14:25 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2017 13:22 sharkie wrote:
Claudio Bravo is the goalkeeper you want at penalties it seems

I don't think Bravo is the goalkeeper you want at all but okay... :D


He is a hero in Chile and deservedly so
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 25 2017 07:39 GMT
#2122
Man i hate ABBA penalty system! Miss one penalty and you then have to go again and if you miss that it is over! Missing 2 in a row with the opponent taking one in between is so much fairer.
Ali Macinally was also moaning about it on commentary last night too!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-25 08:03:17
October 25 2017 08:00 GMT
#2123
You guys might not know him, but the goalkeeper you want at penalties is called Gatito Fernandez.

During this season, out of 13 shootouts he defended 8 of them.



edit: Just noticed the video has only 7 of them, sorry...
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
713 Posts
October 25 2017 09:25 GMT
#2124
On October 25 2017 16:39 Pandemona wrote:
Man i hate ABBA penalty system! Miss one penalty and you then have to go again and if you miss that it is over! Missing 2 in a row with the opponent taking one in between is so much fairer.
Ali Macinally was also moaning about it on commentary last night too!

i like it more than the unfairness of being at a disadvantage just b/c you lost the coin toss
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Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-25 13:28:55
October 25 2017 13:28 GMT
#2125
On October 25 2017 18:25 GoloSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2017 16:39 Pandemona wrote:
Man i hate ABBA penalty system! Miss one penalty and you then have to go again and if you miss that it is over! Missing 2 in a row with the opponent taking one in between is so much fairer.
Ali Macinally was also moaning about it on commentary last night too!

i like it more than the unfairness of being at a disadvantage just b/c you lost the coin toss

Do you have statistics that prove that being first or second on penalties give clear advantage/disadvantage to one of the teams ?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 25 2017 13:32 GMT
#2126
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-25 13:37:10
October 25 2017 13:35 GMT
#2127
On October 25 2017 22:28 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2017 18:25 GoloSC2 wrote:
On October 25 2017 16:39 Pandemona wrote:
Man i hate ABBA penalty system! Miss one penalty and you then have to go again and if you miss that it is over! Missing 2 in a row with the opponent taking one in between is so much fairer.
Ali Macinally was also moaning about it on commentary last night too!

i like it more than the unfairness of being at a disadvantage just b/c you lost the coin toss

Do you have statistics that prove that being first or second on penalties give clear advantage/disadvantage to one of the teams ?


https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.100.5.2548

+ Show Spoiler [abstract] +
Emotions can have important effects on performance and socioeconomic outcomes. We study a natural experiment where two teams of professionals compete in a tournament taking turns in a sequence. As the sequential order is determined by the random outcome of a coin flip, the treatment and control groups are determined via explicit randomization. Hence, absent any psychological effects, both teams should have the same probability of winning. Yet, we find a systematic first-mover advantage. Further, professionals are self-aware of their own psychological effects and, when given the chance, they rationally react by systematically taking advantage of these effects. (JEL C93, D03, D82, L83)
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 25 2017 14:21 GMT
#2128
On October 25 2017 22:35 Keniji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2017 22:28 Pr0wler wrote:
On October 25 2017 18:25 GoloSC2 wrote:
On October 25 2017 16:39 Pandemona wrote:
Man i hate ABBA penalty system! Miss one penalty and you then have to go again and if you miss that it is over! Missing 2 in a row with the opponent taking one in between is so much fairer.
Ali Macinally was also moaning about it on commentary last night too!

i like it more than the unfairness of being at a disadvantage just b/c you lost the coin toss

Do you have statistics that prove that being first or second on penalties give clear advantage/disadvantage to one of the teams ?


https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.100.5.2548

+ Show Spoiler [abstract] +
Emotions can have important effects on performance and socioeconomic outcomes. We study a natural experiment where two teams of professionals compete in a tournament taking turns in a sequence. As the sequential order is determined by the random outcome of a coin flip, the treatment and control groups are determined via explicit randomization. Hence, absent any psychological effects, both teams should have the same probability of winning. Yet, we find a systematic first-mover advantage. Further, professionals are self-aware of their own psychological effects and, when given the chance, they rationally react by systematically taking advantage of these effects. (JEL C93, D03, D82, L83)


You know AEA articles arent free to the public right ?

That having been said the first takers advantage is a pretty common sense and its super well documented that taking penalties first is an advantage.



Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 25 2017 14:28 GMT
#2129
Whatever flaws in that system of taking first penalty, the ABBAA system does not fix it at all imo and if anything makes it worst! Stupid changes xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
October 25 2017 15:40 GMT
#2130
On October 25 2017 23:21 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2017 22:35 Keniji wrote:
On October 25 2017 22:28 Pr0wler wrote:
On October 25 2017 18:25 GoloSC2 wrote:
On October 25 2017 16:39 Pandemona wrote:
Man i hate ABBA penalty system! Miss one penalty and you then have to go again and if you miss that it is over! Missing 2 in a row with the opponent taking one in between is so much fairer.
Ali Macinally was also moaning about it on commentary last night too!

i like it more than the unfairness of being at a disadvantage just b/c you lost the coin toss

Do you have statistics that prove that being first or second on penalties give clear advantage/disadvantage to one of the teams ?


https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.100.5.2548

+ Show Spoiler [abstract] +
Emotions can have important effects on performance and socioeconomic outcomes. We study a natural experiment where two teams of professionals compete in a tournament taking turns in a sequence. As the sequential order is determined by the random outcome of a coin flip, the treatment and control groups are determined via explicit randomization. Hence, absent any psychological effects, both teams should have the same probability of winning. Yet, we find a systematic first-mover advantage. Further, professionals are self-aware of their own psychological effects and, when given the chance, they rationally react by systematically taking advantage of these effects. (JEL C93, D03, D82, L83)


You know AEA articles arent free to the public right ?

That having been said the first takers advantage is a pretty common sense and its super well documented that taking penalties first is an advantage.



There is always sci-hub. That said, the main point is that there are peer-reviewed papers showing the first take advantage, as seen by the (for free) abstract.
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-25 16:26:06
October 25 2017 16:24 GMT
#2131
ABBAA doesn't fix anything though. You can still be put in situations where you will have more pressure than the opponent. I liked the traditional one as the one which loses the coin toss gets to decide on which side they'll have the shoutouts. Also, drama is important (=entertaining) at this stage of the game, ABAB has more potential for it imo. Both teams couldn't win the game in 120mn (210mn for a 2-leg game), a coin toss to get a 55/45 advantage doesn't seem crazy to me.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18713 Posts
October 25 2017 16:29 GMT
#2132
On October 26 2017 01:24 WillyWanker wrote:
ABBAA doesn't fix anything though. You can still be put in situations where you will have more pressure than the opponent. I liked the traditional one as the one which loses the coin toss gets to decide on which side they'll have the shoutouts. Also, drama is important (=entertaining) at this stage of the game, ABAB has more potential for it imo. Both teams couldn't win the game in 120mn (210mn for a 2-leg game), a coin toss to get a 55/45 advantage doesn't seem crazy to me.


But in this case its your own fault for getting pressured into such a situation. Coin toss is just stupid
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 25 2017 19:34 GMT
#2133
Rudiger scored a beautiful header! Chelsea 1-0 up vs Everton at half time.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
October 25 2017 20:02 GMT
#2134
Pretty sure Leipzig would beat Bayern like 2 or 3 : 0 with a somewhat fair ref
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-25 20:58:18
October 25 2017 20:49 GMT
#2135
On October 26 2017 05:02 clusen wrote:
Pretty sure Leipzig would beat Bayern like 2 or 3 : 0 with a somewhat fair ref

Since a few years there is a big divide between our refs and their bosses (especially Fandel and Krug who always get accused of preferring refs who are "in line", preferring refs who are simply liked by them and not caring about good refs who may voice some critic/are not liked by them or troubled refs like Rafati). Interestingly enough Zwayer is one of the Refs who got especially called out by Brych and Gräfe(nowadays our best refs and basically the refs who are protesting Fandel the most) for getting preferential treatment by Fandel.

Edit: And then there is still Zwayers history with the matchfixing scandal of 2005...

Not saying that he is matchfixing, but he isn't one of our referees who should ref top league games anymore
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 25 2017 20:52 GMT
#2136
After being 2-0 down at half time West Ham have beaten Spurs 3-2 at Wembley to knock them out of the cup!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2742 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-25 23:24:46
October 25 2017 22:21 GMT
#2137
Spain copa del rey is the worst. The double leg sytem just kill the magic of small teams winning to big teams. Everyone wants it one leg, but the federation is a corrupt hole of shit.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51663 Posts
October 25 2017 23:04 GMT
#2138
claude puel new leicester manager
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
October 26 2017 01:41 GMT
#2139
never hear hockey ppl complain about the order of a shootout and its much harder to score.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
October 26 2017 02:31 GMT
#2140


WHAT A FUCKING SAVEE!!!

Real Madrid, prepare yourself, we are coming after you in the following 2017 Fifa Team World Cup!
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