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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2723 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 13:37:10
January 04 2017 13:34 GMT
#2421
Valencia has accomplish that in Spain TV and Radio shows, discussions are about their crisis instead of the usual Barça/Madrid stuff.
bObaZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Portugal862 Posts
January 04 2017 13:38 GMT
#2422
On January 04 2017 22:32 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2017 22:29 bObaZ wrote:
On January 04 2017 22:23 sneirac wrote:
fun card from portuguese footy

http://vod.vsports.pt/vdo/tacaliga/1617/oVMu7KPmCGW3gVTWMfTz3.mp4

On January 04 2017 21:01 Bacillus wrote:
How good of a shot does Tottenham have in ending Chelsea's run?

If I recall correctly, last time they faced Tottenham was far better on the pitch, but didn't use their chances as efficiently as Chelsea did. Maybe they have some ideas and tools to beat Conte's system. I certainly hope the PL doesn't get decided 5 rounds before the finish.

Chelsea is playing Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal within the next 4/5 weeks, I'd call it a miracle if the title hasnt been decided with 5 rounds to go.


About that card. Without the rest it would seem the most stupid card ever. But if you see it from different angles you can clearly see that Danilo (the player) was the one who promoted the crash with the Referee.. Neither did he try to avoid it (he was facing the referee), but he promoted moving into his direction when the game was moving in a different direction.
But despite that, in the game report he got that 2nd yellow because of the words he said after they collide.

You can't analyze something like this without context.

In other news, the coach Marco Silva (ex-Sporting) is moving to the Premier League to coach Hull City. How fucked is he?

He's probably my favorite coach from this new age of Portuguese coaches (Rui Vitória - Benfica , Villas Boas- Somewhere in China, Nuno Espirito Santo - Porto , Leonardo Jardim - Monaco, Paulo Fonseca - Shaktar).

Best of luck to him.

Thanks for that explanation, I was wondering if there was something more/some more context to it. Danilos reaction to the contact itself seemed weird on its own.
It still is a ridiculous card tho =)


His face:[image loading]
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
January 04 2017 14:18 GMT
#2423
Just saw Pep's interview after the Burnley game, he seemed so pissed xD
It's interesting to see him in this situation. I wonder if and how he'll be able to achieve something in City. He seems so burnt out and it's only been a few months... + his interview about retiring soon :o

Compared to Barça and Bayern, the pressure inside the club at Manchester must be much much lower. He's stressed about what? Critics about his playstyle not working (yet) in England?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18582 Posts
January 04 2017 14:20 GMT
#2424
On January 04 2017 23:18 WillyWanker wrote:
Just saw Pep's interview after the Burnley game, he seemed so pissed xD
It's interesting to see him in this situation. I wonder if and how he'll be able to achieve something in City. He seems so burnt out and it's only been a few months... + his interview about retiring soon :o

Compared to Barça and Bayern, the pressure inside the club at Manchester must be much much lower. He's stressed about what? Critics about his playstyle not working (yet) in England?


I doubt a manager is ever stressed about what others are saying about him. It's probably more like his usually recipe of success is not working at City and he doesn't know why.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 14:44:39
January 04 2017 14:44 GMT
#2425
Pep keeps complaining about his squad but I really don't see how it's any weaker than the other teams in the top 4. He has also Gabriel Jesus coming who is supposedly the next Neymar.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 04 2017 15:21 GMT
#2426
Pep is stressed because;
1. People are questioning him in England
2. His style of play is hard to force onto his players / english game
3. Press are all over him due to the money he spent and what they are at the moment

English press are ruthless remember :D in Bayern/Barca the press never really on his back, maybe in Germany he had a few questions but he probably didn't mind due to winning the league comfortably. Now he is what 3rd place being dragged into top 4 battle rather than a title one. Maybe he also not liking Manchester as much
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 04 2017 15:39 GMT
#2427
I thought he'd be more used to it given that he's managed in Spain, but you're right that he had nothing but success everywhere else so the media wasn't on his back. He's already turning on the English media and giving one word answers and it's not even halfway through his first season.

TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
January 04 2017 15:52 GMT
#2428
On January 05 2017 00:21 Pandemona wrote:
Pep is stressed because;
1. People are questioning him in England
2. His style of play is hard to force onto his players / english game
3. Press are all over him due to the money he spent and what they are at the moment

English press are ruthless remember :D in Bayern/Barca the press never really on his back, maybe in Germany he had a few questions but he probably didn't mind due to winning the league comfortably. Now he is what 3rd place being dragged into top 4 battle rather than a title one. Maybe he also not liking Manchester as much


He was also often mad in german interviews. He is just not good in handling the media.
Respect my authoritah!!
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2017 Posts
January 04 2017 16:00 GMT
#2429
I think he may also be struggling a bit with the team culture. Both Barca and Bayern are very much established organizations with culture of team pride, tradition and commitment. Meanwhile Man City has been in the big circles for a relatively short time and the squad and the surrounding organization have been put together quite recently. I could see a perfectionist like Guardiola have quite a lot of work ahead of him before he feels comfortable in a more fresh and raw organization like City.

He for example banned all kinds of mobile gadgeds from the players in the training center. It feels like he's very eager to create a more connected atmosphere inside the organization.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6263 Posts
January 04 2017 16:25 GMT
#2430
Pep has been stressed and a madman everywhere. You guys are reading too much into it.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 16:36:41
January 04 2017 16:36 GMT
#2431
On January 05 2017 01:25 RvB wrote:
Pep has been stressed and a madman everywhere. You guys are reading too much into it.


Basically this. I don't think he would be as bald as he is if he didn't coach Barça back in the day. Guy usually tries to be polite but he is full nerve and crazy on the inside. Fills the eccentric genius cliché.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 18:27:58
January 04 2017 18:12 GMT
#2432
On January 04 2017 23:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Pep keeps complaining about his squad but I really don't see how it's any weaker than the other teams in the top 4. He has also Gabriel Jesus coming who is supposedly the next Neymar.


Uhh no he hasnt. Im not sure what interview, press conference or article you saw this but it is profoundly incorrect. He has not once complained about his squad and repeatedly said that he will have to work to adapt to the qualities of his players. Unless this changed in the last 10 days or so. Not having his actual players available is another issue.

I havent seen the holiday season post game stuff but he has been pretty open in the period prior to this in all of his press conferences. Naturally things may have changed recently.

But that still doesnt justify the thought that "he keeps complaining"

http://www.football.co.uk/manchester-city/pep-guardiola-happy-with-man-city-squad-but-not-ruling-out-j/8167719/#UdOygOSKEWwimjkt.97

Doesnt look like complaining to me. Hes not stupid, he knows he spent plenty of money in the summer, it would be asinine to complain about the squad.


Even Mou has at best hinted stuff about his players, maybe. He hasnt complained either. These guys got to sign who they wanted they wont go around whining.

That having been said there is a reason Pep is the anti Mou, if something is going wrong when they are losing, unless there is something else is overwhelmingly (in his mind) an issue, he will always make it his own fault. Perhaps thats why he gets terse once in a while because he holds it in in all the time.

Mou on the other hand blames everything else. So there is always a constant release. Either way works it doesnt really matter at the end of the day.


Regarding the title race. Imo if Chelsea manage maybe like 12 points out of the next 4-5 weeks its pretty much GG. I dont see them dropping much after that.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18582 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 18:30:00
January 04 2017 18:29 GMT
#2433
On January 05 2017 03:12 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2017 23:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Pep keeps complaining about his squad but I really don't see how it's any weaker than the other teams in the top 4. He has also Gabriel Jesus coming who is supposedly the next Neymar.


Uhh no he hasnt. Im not sure what interview, press conference or article you saw this but it is profoundly incorrect. He has not once complained about his squad and repeatedly said that he will have to work to adapt to the qualities of his players. Unless this changed in the last 10 days or so. Not having his actual players available is another issue.

I havent seen the holiday season post game stuff but he has been pretty open in the period prior to this in all of his press conferences. Naturally things may have changed recently.

But that still doesnt justify the thought that "he keeps complaining"

http://www.football.co.uk/manchester-city/pep-guardiola-happy-with-man-city-squad-but-not-ruling-out-j/8167719/#UdOygOSKEWwimjkt.97

Doesnt look like complaining to me. Hes not stupid, he knows he spent plenty of money in the summer, it would be asinine to complain about the squad.


Even Mou has at best hinted stuff about his players, maybe. He hasnt complained either. These guys got to sign who they wanted they wont go around whining.

That having been said there is a reason Pep is the anti Mou, if something is going wrong when they are losing, unless there is something else is overwhelmingly (in his mind) an issue, he will always make it his own fault. Perhaps thats why he gets terse once in a while because he holds it in in all the time.

Mou on the other hand blames everything else. So there is always a constant release. Either way works it doesnt really matter at the end of the day.


Regarding the title race. Imo if Chelsea manage maybe like 12 points out of the next 4-5 weeks its pretty much GG. I dont see them dropping much after that.


Anti Mou? You should watch the latest interview of him then. He blames the league and the ref for the conceded goal.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 18:44:33
January 04 2017 18:38 GMT
#2434
On January 05 2017 03:29 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 03:12 Rebs wrote:


That having been said there is a reason Pep is the anti Mou, if something is going wrong when they are losing,unless there is something else is overwhelmingly (in his mind) an issue, he will always make it his own fault. Perhaps thats why he gets terse once in a while because he holds it in in all the time.


Regarding the title race. Imo if Chelsea manage maybe like 12 points out of the next 4-5 weeks its pretty much GG. I dont see them dropping much after that.


Anti Mou? You should watch the latest interview of him then. He blames the league and the ref for the conceded goal.


As usual reading comprehension is devoid of understanding nuance and again as usual outliers are your criteria for overwhelming evidence to the contrary when it suits you. He goes nutso frequently, but the blame game is generally not his style.

I guess you either didnt read or understand the caveat so I highlighted it for you. Try again.

Nothing is black and white in life Sharkie as much as you and your one liners would like it to be. Maybe if you took the time to organize your thoughts you could be taken more seriously.

Also iirc they won the Burnley game. Being mad after you win can be a tad different contextually to being mad when you lose.

zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 04 2017 18:57 GMT
#2435
This is the quote: "At the moment his challenge is Manchester City, who are a team like Villarreal in La Liga, for example, a team which is not one of the top sides. I am not giving my opinion, I am telling you what Guardiola thinks, they are like a second-tier team in the Premier League," Matin told Spanish radio station Cadena Ser."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 04 2017 19:55 GMT
#2436
On January 05 2017 01:36 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 01:25 RvB wrote:
Pep has been stressed and a madman everywhere. You guys are reading too much into it.


Basically this. I don't think he would be as bald as he is if he didn't coach Barça back in the day. Guy usually tries to be polite but he is full nerve and crazy on the inside. Fills the eccentric genius cliché.

On January 05 2017 01:25 RvB wrote:
Pep has been stressed and a madman everywhere. You guys are reading too much into it.

Oh no doubt he was stressed at Barca and Bayern but it is only at City he getting questions about his style and play and is he gonna change because it not winning him games etc etc.
Barca the issue was he was stressed because the demand was to win every game
Bayern the same, he had to win the league or it was a failure etc
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 04 2017 19:55 GMT
#2437
Spurs vs Chelsea time!! Kick off top of the hour.
Chelsea going for a record 14th consecutive win. Whilst Spurs are in great form.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 04 2017 19:56 GMT
#2438
On January 05 2017 03:57 zulu_nation8 wrote:
This is the quote: "At the moment his challenge is Manchester City, who are a team like Villarreal in La Liga, for example, a team which is not one of the top sides. I am not giving my opinion, I am telling you what Guardiola thinks, they are like a second-tier team in the Premier League," Matin told Spanish radio station Cadena Ser."


Yes I can see clearly from that where Pep "keeps complaining" about his squad.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 04 2017 20:13 GMT
#2439
yes i can also see that he has not "complained once about his squad"
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 20:47:52
January 04 2017 20:47 GMT
#2440
On January 05 2017 04:55 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 01:36 Salteador Neo wrote:
On January 05 2017 01:25 RvB wrote:
Pep has been stressed and a madman everywhere. You guys are reading too much into it.


Basically this. I don't think he would be as bald as he is if he didn't coach Barça back in the day. Guy usually tries to be polite but he is full nerve and crazy on the inside. Fills the eccentric genius cliché.

Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 01:25 RvB wrote:
Pep has been stressed and a madman everywhere. You guys are reading too much into it.

Oh no doubt he was stressed at Barca and Bayern but it is only at City he getting questions about his style and play and is he gonna change because it not winning him games etc etc.
Barca the issue was he was stressed because the demand was to win every game
Bayern the same, he had to win the league or it was a failure etc

Not really. There have been critics of his playstyle since he was at Barca. At Bayern it popped up every time he lost in the CL. We've seen critics of it multiple times in this thread as well.
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