EPTIt still baffles me what people saw in his ~7 games last year that convinced them he was a franchise passer. Just like Peyton Manning's Corpse, he was just good enough to be carried by the defense to the Super Bowl.
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
It still baffles me what people saw in his ~7 games last year that convinced them he was a franchise passer. Just like Peyton Manning's Corpse, he was just good enough to be carried by the defense to the Super Bowl. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 26 2016 01:41 JimmiC wrote: Desperation and fear. There are few "elite" QBs so if someone has a sniff they will pay. I honestly think the best way to success is to underpay a QB or roll with a rookie and surround them with huge talent. That's how the seahawks, ravens, niners so on won. I think there is only 3-5 qbs in the league worth over 20 million with how they can control a game and about 25 are getting paid like that. I very much agree. The idea of a "franchise QB" is an illusion. Like you said, there are about 5 guys who can take 4-6 win rosters consistently to the playoffs and elevate 8-10 win rosters into elite Super Bowl Contenders. For every other guy like Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton paying them means you probably won't win the SB unless you have a crazy run of successful drafts. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Then we get to the next level or so. Big Ben hasn't won any since those defensive players started retiring. Drew Brees can't drag the Saints' sorry ass defense into the playoffs anymore. Eli. LOL. Matt Ryan. Nope. Russell Wilson got paid and the Seahawks aren't as deep as they used to be. Andrew Luck is not so much dragging the Colts into the playoffs as backing into the playoffs in a constantly shitty division. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 26 2016 05:08 andrewlt wrote: And those roughly 5 franchise qbs or so you mention don't even have a tremendous success rate. Peyton Manning was labelled a choker for years and only won one Super Bowl before the Broncos dragged his carcass into another one last year. Tom Brady won 3 out of 4 as an underpaid qb. He was Tom Brady before they had to pay him like Tom Brady. In fact, they still don't pay him like Tom Brady because his wife makes more than any NFL player. Aaron Rodgers won one, got paid, and hasn't won since. Then we get to the next level or so. Big Ben hasn't won any since those defensive players started retiring. Drew Brees can't drag the Saints' sorry ass defense into the playoffs anymore. Eli. LOL. Matt Ryan. Nope. Russell Wilson got paid and the Seahawks aren't as deep as they used to be. Andrew Luck is not so much dragging the Colts into the playoffs as backing into the playoffs in a constantly shitty division. Tom Brady wasn't even TOM BRADY until he had won 3 Super Bowls. He's kinda like Kobe in that way where his actual peak of skill does not correspond to him winning titles (2005-2012 IMO were his best years, although obviously not winning in 2007 was a crazy fluke). | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
So I'm thinking about switching to another team, preferably playing in the early timeslot on sunday afternoon most of the time. I'm happily cheering for hardworking underdogs that have a real shot at the playoffs. Definitely no big name teams that automatically get hyped as potential Super-Bowl-contenders as soon as they achieve two wins in a row (49ers, packers, colts). Any recommendations? I'm thinking about the vikings, who would even come with the off chance of seeing this german wide receiver play at some point. Also feel free to laugh at me for my unqualified impressions  | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Be like me. I'm from Florida. All of our teams suck every year. Vaguely watch all three (Jaguars, Buccaneers, Dolphins) because statistically one might win on Sunday. (It's pretty bad but at least we have a lock on college football) (Also don't cheer for Florida teams I was joking it's a job for masochists) | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 26 2016 05:16 cLutZ wrote: Tom Brady wasn't even TOM BRADY until he had won 3 Super Bowls. He's kinda like Kobe in that way where his actual peak of skill does not correspond to him winning titles (2005-2012 IMO were his best years, although obviously not winning in 2007 was a crazy fluke). IMO, he was starting to become Tom Brady during 2004 and 2005. He wasn't there yet obviously but the Patriots still had a more competent qb than what they were paying for. Those teams also had a bit of luck in their side. They weren't really blowing out any teams. They won a lot of close games, some in ways that were reminiscent of what the Giants did to them. Luck evens out in the long run I guess. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14108 Posts
On October 26 2016 07:20 giftdgecko wrote: I think Minnesota is a decent team to root for. They find success every once in a while but seem to come up short in heartbreaking ways. Plus I don't think the fans or ownership are asshats. With the time change, an east coast team underdog with a decent chance; maybe the Falcons? No Minnesota is the worst team to root for or be a fan for. Scource: Me whos been a fan my whole life and has only misery and heartbreak to show for it. They drive me to drink a lot. The teams found success by being owned by a New jersey mob boss and getting lucky hiring the defense coordinator that no one ever trusted with a team before because no owner is comfortable with a head coach they can't flim flam. We're a team whos only star is a guy we're all okay with apparently beating his children with sticks but thats okay because the teams named after a profession of white people raping, murdering, and stealing from other people. Its not that the team isn't successful they've been to the playoffs more times then not, its just that they always fail in terrible heart breaking ways every time. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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GTR
51589 Posts
Who to pick? I've used up Seattle, Carolina, Miami, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Buffalo and Cincinnati already. Tentatively picked the Patriots away to the Bills but after their shocker in the previous match I don't know. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 26 2016 21:56 GTR wrote: Ugh, this week's Survivor Pool is terrible. Who to pick? I've used up Seattle, Carolina, Miami, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Buffalo and Cincinnati already. Tentatively picked the Patriots away to the Bills but after their shocker in the previous match I don't know. Cardinals or Jets? | ||
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GTR
51589 Posts
Browns game is completely based on who starts. If its Kessler I'd be more inclined to pick them as opposed to Hogan. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On October 26 2016 06:56 Probe1 wrote: Be like me. I'm from Florida. All of our teams suck every year. Vaguely watch all three (Jaguars, Buccaneers, Dolphins) because statistically one might win on Sunday. (It's pretty bad but at least we have a lock on college football) (Also don't cheer for Florida teams I was joking it's a job for masochists) the Tampa Bay Rays were great as a favourite team. + Show Spoiler + the Tampa Bay Rays had Friedman running the team. no budget, worst stadium, lousy lease, no one wanted to play there. Friedman is far and away the #1 baseball mind on planet earth. When Friedman was in Tampa the AL East was a shark tank. 2 bad he is in LA now. watching a procession of 23 year old change-up pitchers mow down the high priced Yankee lineup was so sweet. Nothing like watching a guy making $25 million a year screwing himself into the ground missing an 84 MPH change up thrown by a guy making the MLB minimum. i generally cheer for teams playing under brutally adverse circumstances. so i like the Tampa Bay Rays and Buffalo Bills. Americans really make fun of Buffalo a lot; the people in Buffalo and western New York are fucking awesome. Go Bills Go! | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On October 27 2016 05:41 GTR wrote: I think both are trap games - both are away, Cardinals playing on the East Coast and the Browns aren't as bad as people think. Browns game is completely based on who starts. If its Kessler I'd be more inclined to pick them as opposed to Hogan. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On October 28 2016 00:11 JimmiC wrote: NFL really nailed 2 of there 3 prime time games. Jax vs Ten who doesn't want to watch two awful teams with a history of awful going at it. And then Monday the dumpster fire bears vs the elite defense of the vikings exciting. I do have to say though Sunday night is a great match up. For control of the NFC east the NFL's most surprisingly good division. Not to mention two teams with huge fan bases. That is a good game! (watch it be a 2-2 tie or some garbage) Ten and Jax always play each other pretty damn hard, so it has the possibility of being a very close game. I think it's a decent choice tbh. Bears vs Vikings is an odd choice, but all fanbases get a little sun every now and then I guess. | ||
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