On February 10 2020 11:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I think the best way to instant popularity is to say things like "if i don't kill 'em it don't count" ... and then kill him.
Mike Tyson hit Tyrell Biggs so hard he nearly fell completely out of the ring. Before the fight Tyson said "if i don't kill 'em it don't count".
This was a big factor in making Tyson extremely popular.
Tyson wouldn't have been as popular if he existed when UFC as it is now existed, he had a monopoly on the market.
I couple weeks ago at the local bar that shows UFC fights, there was a hour wait to get inside to watch the McGregor fight. I Went to the same club last night to watch the Jones fight, no line. I would imagine Jones's controversy consultants are advising him (as Al Haymon did with Mayweather) that in order to create more intrigue, instead of trying to KO everybody early, have the opponent chase you around, minimize damage taken, and collect a bigger paychecks down the line as the myth of " is Jones able to be beaten?" perpertuates itself. The next time Jones fights, more commoners will buy ppv's in order to see "the king of the mma dethroned" just as Mayweathers last 10 fights were advertised as "watch the best boxer of all time finally lose". If you learning anything from how the judges score fights, UFC is a business before anything else.
Yes UFC is a business this is why they incentive winning by handing out performance of the night bonuses. The logic behind your presumption is false. Mayweather was not popular because of decisioning dudes. Hw was popular in spite of it. On top of that, none of his fights were even remotely close. His KO rate dropped on two counts, he was fighting much better fighters and he kept breaking his had. It is near impossible to KO someone with a broken hand. And when he faught lesser opponents he KO'd them (see McGreggor).
That jon jones was.more popular when he was finishing people should alone tell you how backwards you have this.
I get you feel the need to make hot takes but can you at least do some basic research and understand at least the basics of your theory. It is both funny and sad how many ways this is wrong. Please just stop.
On February 10 2020 11:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I think the best way to instant popularity is to say things like "if i don't kill 'em it don't count" ... and then kill him.
Mike Tyson hit Tyrell Biggs so hard he nearly fell completely out of the ring. Before the fight Tyson said "if i don't kill 'em it don't count".
This was a big factor in making Tyson extremely popular.
Tyson wouldn't have been as popular if he existed when UFC as it is now existed, he had a monopoly on the market.
I couple weeks ago at the local bar that shows UFC fights, there was a hour wait to get inside to watch the McGregor fight. I Went to the same club last night to watch the Jones fight, no line. I would imagine Jones's controversy consultants are advising him (as Al Haymon did with Mayweather) that in order to create more intrigue, instead of trying to KO everybody early, have the opponent chase you around, minimize damage taken, and collect a bigger paychecks down the line as the myth of " is Jones able to be beaten?" perpertuates itself. The next time Jones fights, more commoners will buy ppv's in order to see "the king of the mma dethroned" just as Mayweathers last 10 fights were advertised as "watch the best boxer of all time finally lose". If you learning anything from how the judges score fights, UFC is a business before anything else.
Yes UFC is a business this is why they incentive winning by handing out performance of the night bonuses. The logic behind your presumption is false. Mayweather was not popular because of decisioning dudes. Hw was popular in spite of it. On top of that, none of his fights were even remotely close. His KO rate dropped on two counts, he was fighting much better fighters and he kept breaking his had. It is near impossible to KO someone with a broken hand. And when he faught lesser opponents he KO'd them (see McGreggor).
That jon jones was.more popular when he was finishing people should alone tell you how backwards you have this.
I get you feel the need to make hot takes but can you at least do some basic research and understand at least the basics of your theory. It is both funny and sad how many ways this is wrong. Please just stop.
McGregor had 30 pounds on Floyd and was 15 years younger but Floyd still had McGregor in a position to be knocked out if the ref didnt stop the fight. Floyd switched styles because being defensive made him more $, not because he got tired of knocking dudes out. Compare and contrast how much Floyd purses were when he was a Knockout artist to when he was a defensive guru. It was a deliberate marketing strategy to brand Floyd as a runner who was going to get caught by a KO artist artist. Wilder is knockout artist, but his fights average less PPV and makes siqigifinately less $$ than any Mayweather/Mcgreggor/Jones/Khaib fight even though he is a undefeated undisputed champion and has Bob Arum advertising the hell out of him.
Discounting everything I say as a hot take doesnt make you "woke" (aware of and actively attentive to important facts), it makes you dishonestly obnoxious
On February 10 2020 15:57 Jockmcplop wrote: Wait Wilder makes less than Jones? I'm not sure about that (I don't know the facts though).
Bob Arum and Top Rank holds majority rights to Wilder's promotion and merchandising.
According to the Nevada State Commission, via Yahoo's Kevin Iole, Wilder's purse for Saturday night's fight is $3 million while Ortiz will earn a $1.5 million payday for his upcoming work in the Fox PPV main event
3 mil for a Boxing World Championship Heavyweight fight is peanuts. After Arum, the boxing commision, Top rank promotions, and taxes, Wilder is making more like 1.3-1.5 million
On February 10 2020 11:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I think the best way to instant popularity is to say things like "if i don't kill 'em it don't count" ... and then kill him.
Mike Tyson hit Tyrell Biggs so hard he nearly fell completely out of the ring. Before the fight Tyson said "if i don't kill 'em it don't count".
This was a big factor in making Tyson extremely popular.
Tyson wouldn't have been as popular if he existed when UFC as it is now existed, he had a monopoly on the market.
I couple weeks ago at the local bar that shows UFC fights, there was a hour wait to get inside to watch the McGregor fight. I Went to the same club last night to watch the Jones fight, no line. I would imagine Jones's controversy consultants are advising him (as Al Haymon did with Mayweather) that in order to create more intrigue, instead of trying to KO everybody early, have the opponent chase you around, minimize damage taken, and collect a bigger paychecks down the line as the myth of " is Jones able to be beaten?" perpertuates itself. The next time Jones fights, more commoners will buy ppv's in order to see "the king of the mma dethroned" just as Mayweathers last 10 fights were advertised as "watch the best boxer of all time finally lose". If you learning anything from how the judges score fights, UFC is a business before anything else.
Yes UFC is a business this is why they incentive winning by handing out performance of the night bonuses. The logic behind your presumption is false. Mayweather was not popular because of decisioning dudes. Hw was popular in spite of it. On top of that, none of his fights were even remotely close. His KO rate dropped on two counts, he was fighting much better fighters and he kept breaking his had. It is near impossible to KO someone with a broken hand. And when he faught lesser opponents he KO'd them (see McGreggor).
That jon jones was.more popular when he was finishing people should alone tell you how backwards you have this.
I get you feel the need to make hot takes but can you at least do some basic research and understand at least the basics of your theory. It is both funny and sad how many ways this is wrong. Please just stop.
McGregor had 30 pounds on Floyd and was 15 years younger but Floyd still had McGregor in a position to be knocked out if the ref didnt stop the fight. Floyd switched styles because being defensive made him more $, not because he got tired of knocking dudes out. Compare and contrast how much Floyd purses were when he was a Knockout artist to when he was a defensive guru. It was a deliberate marketing strategy to brand Floyd as a runner who was going to get caught by a KO artist artist. Wilder is knockout artist, but his fights average less PPV and makes siqigifinately less $$ than any Mayweather/Mcgreggor/Jones/Khaib fight even though he is a undefeated undisputed champion and has Bob Arum advertising the hell out of him.
Discounting everything I say as a hot take doesnt make you "woke" (aware of and actively attentive to important facts), it makes you dishonestly obnoxious
He was young and unknown, that is why he made less early in his career. No one makes money fighting cans early in their career. Then he created a persona of Money mayweather to get fans excited about his fights because fighting his defensive style was not exciting.
Of all the wrong shit you have posted in the sports threads this is the worst. People go to fights to watch spectacular knockouts. Not to mention you take less damage and have a longer career and way less risk of losing.
Just ask Tyrone Woodly how being not exciting and then losing works out, he's broke now.
Your logic is so backwards it is frustrating, I think you are being serious, but it feels like a troll because it is so utterly wrong. LOL
If RDL posts something just assume he does not really know and fills in the blanks by making the wrong info up. I'm not sure how someone gets everything so wrong, maybe he's doing it on purpose?
Is there anything Shevchenko can't do? How many languages can she speak? She is a phenomenal over all athlete and extremely intelligent. All that is wonderful ... i'm really impressed .. and guess what? no one cares. That kick in the head to Jessica Eye made Shevchenko far more marketable and a much bigger draw.
THis is how you draw money... EDIT : UFC just privated this "free fight". Probably because UFC 246 is over. SO here is a less clear version.
lol, can we get 10 different angles and 20 instant replays of that guys? it looks like Jessica Eye is having a seizure.
Before the fight had Shevchenko said "if i don't kill her ... it don't count"... she'd be 100X more popular than she is now.
Here big issue is there is no depth in the division, same problem Nunes has. Unless they can somehow have crossover appeal (to the non-mma fans), they won't be a big draw. It is like the men when they started, until it got on spike tv very few cared and even at that point there was not that much depth. Hopefully in 5 years there is a bunch more women who can compete, there is a lot more women training now. But at most gyms it is still like 20-1 guys to girls.
Paige Vanzat had the crossover appeal and got dancing with the stars, but she is not that great and keeps getting hurt. Shevchenko has moves maybe that is route she should take to generate more interest. Dana should be pushing for that.
On February 10 2020 09:45 JimmiC wrote: You guys do realize that it is not Dana White who even chooses who the judges are let alone controls who they pick to win. That is done by the states athletic commission. This is why there was all this talk about it being in Texas, because they have some of the worst judging in all of MMA.
Yes, and it provides a convenient out for the UFC to go and be appalled by decisions they agree with,
The state AC's arent going to change, the UFC has established itself enough now to make some common sense changes to the judging or make suggestion(force) AC's to do what they want or take their business elsewhere.
But they dont want that because if the decisions no matter how shit work for them promotion ally they dont have to care. If you as the fight runner cant maintain the integrity of your sport then who else will ?
On February 10 2020 09:45 JimmiC wrote: You guys do realize that it is not Dana White who even chooses who the judges are let alone controls who they pick to win. That is done by the states athletic commission. This is why there was all this talk about it being in Texas, because they have some of the worst judging in all of MMA.
Yes, and it provides a convenient out for the UFC to go and be appalled by decisions they agree with,
The state AC's arent going to change, the UFC has established itself enough now to make some common sense changes to the judging or make suggestion(force) AC's to do what they want or take their business elsewhere.
But they dont want that because if the decisions no matter how shit work for them promotion ally they dont have to care. If you as the fight runner cant maintain the integrity of your sport then who else will ?
When the UFC was failing the Fertitta's hired Marc Ratner to get it legalized in more states (this was during the politicians scoring points calling it human cock fighting and shit era). Part of the concession's the UFC made was to have the judges, refs and so on be controlled by the state athletic commissions. Back in the day White used to lose his shit about this type of decision and bad refing by the likes of Steve Mazagatti. It really did nothing, maybe even the opposite. Lately he has been far more outwardly kind and the UFC has been working to try to get all the states to even use the same "unified rules of MMA". Maybe when that is done more effort will be placed in improving judges but it is hard when usually the judges are converted part timers that usually judge boxing.
The big part I was against from the earlier comments was that this was somehow the UFC or Dana making the refs have Jon win. If anything they would have loved the opposite. A new young champ that just beat a front runner for GOAT. With none of the PED, Crashing into pregnant women while drunk and fleeing the scene then returning to the scene to grab big wad of cash then fleeing again, baggage. Not to mention they would do huge buys in a rematch or Jon Jones could go up to HW without holding up the LHW division. And the reality is the company has very little to do with the judging.
I know in the contracts the Fighters can Veto one ref, maybe they could do that for judges as well but I think their are so many ill informed ones, especially in states that don't hold a lot events you have no clue if the next man up is any better.
Edit: and yes JJR i make typos, lots and if I notice them later I correct them. You caught me....
During one of the prelims (Lauren something vs Andrea something), Rogan was talking for an entire round about how one of the judges wasn't even watching the fight, just staring down at his desk. It ended up being another shit decision too, the Andrea girl pretty clearly did more damage but lost (presumably?) because Lauren had two takedowns where she did nothing. One of the things that's refreshing to me about MMA commentary (or Rogan at least) is that they don't have to be so diplomatic about calling out bullshit compared to NFL etc.
I doubt there's any kind of fix or anything, just trash judges that the UFC and the rest of us have to live with from time to time. The whole world knows Jones lost, and GGG got hosed against Canelo, among countless other times shit like this has happened across the combat sports.
I happend on this as I was going to bed , and it pretty much echos everyone who has a brains sentiments right now. Almost to the letter. Nearly every subject the scoring, the judges, whether people like Jones are not (irrelevant, but still worth clearing) the UFC isnt blameless here,,, and ofcourse for gods sake do away with this scoring system.
On February 11 2020 15:27 UsedEgg3 wrote: It ended up being another shit decision too, the Andrea girl pretty clearly did more damage but lost (presumably?) because Lauren had two takedowns where she did nothing.
Nah the decision itself was fine, it was a really close fight, could have gone both ways, and the 28-29 / 29-28 reflects that. But that one judge Rogan was talking about scored it a 30-27, which is just insane too. I know it's not easy to score a fight where both fighters are blocking punches with their faces but come on.
Getting all the states working under the unified rules is taking a lot longer than what they expected at first. As long as events are going to happen in those states, they have no incentive to change anything honestly. I can understand that they aren't perfect, like Joe Rogan said, it's a bandaid on a broken system not made for MMA, but still better than the previous ones.
And I agree that White and the UFC are eager to have new faces as champions, Reyes being one of them probably. Just take a look at Ngannou for example, he got pushed hard to his first title match. His competition was pretty good on the way but the timing between the matches, maybe a bit too fast, not everyone is a genius like Jones or Holloway. A good example is Darren Till, it took him 2 fights to go from like, rank 15 or unranked to #1 contender. Meanwhile so many fighters are stuck in the rankings because of super fights - hello heavyweight division. I think Dana White is a bit unsure between wanting to have a new star to promote and making a lot of money with his top dogs.
At least most of the current champions seem to want to go through their divisions and give opportunities to rightful challengers.
About the judges, I was pretty sure they had like a dozen for an event, splitting the fights between them, but you make me doubt now!
Hooker won by split decision I had Felder 3-2 but this was a super tighet fight so a SD is probably what was deserved for either. But this is one of those fights where in the rankings and match makers eyes there was no loser.
I had Hooker 3-2 but I can definitely see the 3-2 Felder no problem. Round 1 for Hooker and Round 4 for Felder for sure. Felder used the second round to finally get a grasp on his range via low kicks, so he had more strikes even though not really damaging, so I had Hooker with this one. Felder with the third one, didn't connect much in the first half but the second half with the range on the face won this for me. And then fifth was super close, could have gone both ways.
Yeah 100% you should. All the fights were good action and the fans were pretty electric which made it seem way more hype. Almost every fight has someone from New Zealand or Australia which made them even more fired up. And I think it was Hardy who said it started at 11 am there which makes it even more impressive.