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On February 09 2020 15:11 UsedEgg3 wrote:
I had a feeling that was gonna happen. WTF is up with these judges? I really didn't understand JJ's lack of urgency in the 5th round, but I guess he knew something I didn't. He had to try so hard to convince himself he won that in his post fight speech.
Yea Jones doesnt look hungry anymore tbh, Reyes was hungry af. He put in the work and won the first 3 then survived the last 2 rounds after using a ton of energy, travesty tbh.
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I had it 48-47 for Reyes under the old rules, would have been 49-46 Reyes with the new rules.
No way those takedowns should count for that much since they didn't accomplish anything.
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i had it 3-2 for Reyes. i think Jones run as King of the light heavyweight division is nearing its end.
For a while Jones talked pretty tough about moving up to heavyweight. When asked last night about moving to heavyweight he waffled. I think he'll get KO-ed @ heavyweight if he moves up.
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Meanwhile Latifi lost his fight while being hit a lot less than Jones and had a lot more of ground control - with actual dominant position, even if he didn't do much on the ground either. Sure, different referees, but at least stay consistent.
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As the incumbent fighter, you cant just let Jones stand in the middle of the ring during the championship rounds and dictate pressure on you and expect to win. Yes Reyes landed more hits, but Jones clearly did more damage to Reyes, leaving him gassed the last 10 minutes. Its just like boxing, its the challengers job to not let the fight go the distance. If Reyes KO'ed Jones in the early rounds while he had the chance, he wouldnt don't have to deal with judges fuckery. Reyes had a great early mid game, but didnt commit to getting a Knockout, thats on him.
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On February 10 2020 02:53 redlightdistrict wrote:
As the incumbent fighter, you cant just let Jones stand in the middle of the ring during the championship rounds and dictate pressure on you and expect to win. Yes Reyes landed more hits, but Jones clearly did more damage to Reyes, leaving him gassed the last 10 minutes. Its just like boxing, its the challengers job to not let the fight go the distance. If Reyes KO'ed Jones in the early rounds while he had the chance, he wouldnt don't have to deal with judges fuckery. Reyes had a great early mid game, but didnt commit to getting a Knockout, thats on him.
This whole idea that standing in the middle is some kind of value to being dominant in a fight is so archaic. The only reason controlling the middle is value is because it allows you to cut off movement, which Jones was doing anyway. Pressure doesnt mean anything. Take doesnt that get broken shouldnt mean anything. Its like rewarding someone for taking a shot and missing. Imagine that in other sports.. like in basketball or something.. Missed the shot? Have 1 point for hitting the rim.
Also what do you mean by did more damage ? How do you quantify that ? Being gassed or not gassed accounts for zero value on a score card if you dont actually do anything with it.
Also wtf is this about incumbents needing to KO ? Then what about Holloway and Volkanovski ? Holloway basically got leg kicked into losing a title. Especially when the guy doing the leg kicking had a swollen shin while Holloway was totally fine..
The bottom line is the UFC cant stop riding Jones's dick and thats why the result is what it is, that and some god awful recency bias where a fighter finishing stronger after getting pasted for 3 rounds gets the nod.. UFC is doing the same thing Boxing is doing and at like 4 times the speed when it comes to bullshit decisions.
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i wouldn't say Jones got "pasted" in the first 3 rounds. he lost the 3 rounds but he didn't get "pasted". One thing GSP, Jones, and Anderson Silva all have in common is absolutely incredible defense. And I guess you can say the same thing about Mayweather although its a different sport.
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On February 10 2020 05:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i wouldn't say Jones got "pasted" in the first 3 rounds. he lost the 3 rounds but he didn't get "pasted". One thing GSP, Jones, and Anderson Silva all have in common is absolutely incredible defense. And I guess you can say the same thing about Mayweather although its a different sport.
That was rather obvious hyperbole. No he didnt get pasted. He did lose 3 rounds. The UFC is also not riding Jones's dick either while we are at it. The point there was that they are more interested in creating narratives than actually running fights.
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meh, some people i watched the fight with claim he got destroyed in the first three rounds. so its hard to know if it is hyperbole or serious.
any how, i think Jones is nearing the end of his run. Clearly, Dana wants a brutal KO to end his run... not a close decision. He wants a Tyson KO-ing Berbick type passing of the torch fight. Dana wants a medical team rushing into the ring with Jones laying motionless in the center of the ring for 2 minutes with Rogan screaming "he'll never be the same again Mike".
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On February 10 2020 06:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
meh, some people i watched the fight with claim he got destroyed in the first three rounds. so its hard to know if it is hyperbole or serious.
any how, i think Jones is nearing the end of his run. Clearly, Dana wants a brutal KO to end his run... not a close decision. He wants a Tyson KO-ing Berbick type passing of the torch fight. Dana wants a medical team rushing into the ring with Jones laying motionless in the center of the ring for 2 minutes with Rogan screaming "he'll never be the same again Mike".
Or Jones is intentionally throttling his preformance in a effort to make his matches seem more competitively interesting so he can gain viewership and earn more $$$. Jones is following whts Mayweather did throughout his career. Floyd started out as a KO artist in the first high of is bocing life, then because draw the fight out and win by judges decision the second half of his career, selling more PPV's because people wanted to see him get KO'd but would never happen.
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On February 10 2020 10:28 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2020 10:25 redlightdistrict wrote:On February 10 2020 06:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
meh, some people i watched the fight with claim he got destroyed in the first three rounds. so its hard to know if it is hyperbole or serious.
any how, i think Jones is nearing the end of his run. Clearly, Dana wants a brutal KO to end his run... not a close decision. He wants a Tyson KO-ing Berbick type passing of the torch fight. Dana wants a medical team rushing into the ring with Jones laying motionless in the center of the ring for 2 minutes with Rogan screaming "he'll never be the same again Mike". Or Jones is intentionally throttling his preformance in a effort to make his matches seem more competitively interesting so he can gain viewership and earn more $$$. Jones is following was Mayweather did throughout his career. Floyd started out as a KO artist in the first high of is bocing life, then because draw the fight out and win by judges decision the second half of his career. That is not remotely true, you are like a fountain of misinformation, where do you even get this shit? Mayweather was not watched until he became the bad guy and he was not KO artist ever and lost most of his power when he kept breaking his hands. His decisioning everybody made people not care and that is when money Mayweather showed up so people would pay to hope he loses. Jon Jones would make way more money if he finished people, people love to watch finsher's which is part of the reason why McGreggor is so popular.
MCGreggor is popular with people who no nothing about MMA, Jones isnt. If Jones went into the ring and rofflestomped Santos last fight, do you think as many people would have watched the Reyes fight? By Jones appearing to be vulnerable, more people will tune in to see him finally lose, except he wont.
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I think the best way to instant popularity is to say things like "if i don't kill 'em it don't count" ... and then kill him.
Mike Tyson hit Tyrell Biggs so hard he nearly fell completely out of the ring. Before the fight Tyson said "if i don't kill 'em it don't count".
This was a big factor in making Tyson extremely popular.
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On February 10 2020 11:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think the best way to instant popularity is to say things like "if i don't kill 'em it don't count" ... and then kill him.
Mike Tyson hit Tyrell Biggs so hard he nearly fell completely out of the ring. Before the fight Tyson said "if i don't kill 'em it don't count".
This was a big factor in making Tyson extremely popular.
Tyson wouldn't have been as popular if he existed when UFC as it is now existed, he had a monopoly on the market.
I couple weeks ago at the local bar that shows UFC fights, there was a hour wait to get inside to watch the McGregor fight. I Went to the same club last night to watch the Jones fight, no line. I would imagine Jones's controversy consultants are advising him (as Al Haymon did with Mayweather) that in order to create more intrigue, instead of trying to KO everybody early, have the opponent chase you around, minimize damage taken, and collect a bigger paychecks down the line as the myth of " is Jones able to be beaten?" perpertuates itself. The next time Jones fights, more commoners will buy ppv's in order to see "the king of the mma dethroned" just as Mayweathers last 10 fights were advertised as "watch the best boxer of all time finally lose". If you learning anything from how the judges score fights, UFC is a business before anything else.
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There was no heavyweight boxing market to monopolize in 1985. The division was in a shambles with 3 different guys owning the 3 major heavyweight belts; all 3 guys were ducking each other and all 3 major boxing orgs were constantly bickering. Tyson brought heavyweight boxing back from the dead. Nothing like a common goal to bring the IBF, WBC and WBF together. 
Don King knew Tyson was a giant money train and constructed an 8 man tourney to unify all 3 belts. Because there was so much money to be made on Tyson .. King managed to cajole the IBF, WBC, and WBF into putting their differences aside. Sure enough Tyson annihilated the first 2 guys and beat the 3rd guy in a lopsided decision.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavyweight_unification_series
Tyson's brutal KOs and the hundreds of millions of dollars it brought in ... brought the heavyweight division back to its former glory.
Any fighter with brutal KO power is a huge draw in any combat sport that involves striking and that includes the UFC. The bigger they are.. the bigger the draw.
The worst thing for the women in the UFC would've been Rousey losing in a 5 round GSP-style snuggle-fest. Ronda getting her head kicked in caused the women's bantamweight division to skyrocket in popularity.
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