EPTItaly 943m
Germany 628m
Per season.
Just the same thing we see with the UK where people are ready to pay 100£ per month to watch less than half off all games, Germans are just cheap as fuck when it comes to paying for live football.
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
Italy 943m Germany 628m Per season. Just the same thing we see with the UK where people are ready to pay 100£ per month to watch less than half off all games, Germans are just cheap as fuck when it comes to paying for live football. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On April 29 2016 05:52 sneirac wrote: Looked up the current contract numbers, note these are domestic only: Italy 943m Germany 628m Per season. Just the same thing we see with the UK where people are ready to pay 100£ per month to watch less than half off all games, Germans are just cheap as fuck when it comes to paying for live football. I think part of the problem is that it has always been somewhat cheap to go to a live game in Germany. And it's almost impossible to catch up to other leagues now because there would a huge outrage if suddenly all clubs charged 50% more for a ticket. Hell, even if some clubs try to raise it slightly then fans get pissed off. Not saying we need higher prices but i dont see the prices catch up any time soon. Plus when i think about the discussions because the best games are always more expensive then i dont see how fans will accept increased prices for the shit games as well | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28700 Posts
I mean I still get that fans get mad, but I think rationally the players never really had the option of saying 'yeah, I hope one day to play for bayern munich because that is germany's greatest club, and I really want to win trophies and have a chance at winning the champions league'.. fans expectations basically force players to speak in a certain manner, which might or might not be genuine, and even if it was genuine at the time they said it, it's also possible that they just changed their minds. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On April 29 2016 05:52 sneirac wrote: Looked up the current contract numbers, note these are domestic only: Italy 943m Germany 628m Per season. Just the same thing we see with the UK where people are ready to pay 100£ per month to watch less than half off all games, Germans are just cheap as fuck when it comes to paying for live football. I guess more people would pay for it if the offer wasn't the dumbest shit you've ever seen. Look I have no TV and I'm not interested in any series/movies whatever. If I want to watch live football I would have to get the hardware and pay for the basic shit. And even if I said: Okay whatever give it to me I can't just watch football because Bundesliga is one package while national cup, PL, CL, EL are in a different package that costs another how many fucking €. But hey you probably get Formula 1 and Boxing and all that shit that I'm again not interested in. Sure I might not be the guy targeted by sky as I don't really have too much money to spend just starting my job but the missing flexibility is a huge. I'd pay 15€/month for nothing but BVB-Bundesliga games and 1CL match/matchday online only. Most likely 20€ would be fine. And I'm pretty sure there are more people who don't want to spend huge amounts but would pay for a stream of their favourite club. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On April 29 2016 05:58 BlackCompany wrote: I think part of the problem is that it has always been somewhat cheap to go to a live game in Germany. And it's almost impossible to catch up to other leagues now because there would a huge outrage if suddenly all clubs charged 50% more for a ticket. Hell, even if some clubs try to raise it slightly then fans get pissed off. Not saying we need higher prices but i dont see the prices catch up any time soon. Plus when i think about the discussions because the best games are always more expensive then i dont see how fans will accept increased prices for the shit games as well Eh I don't mean live tickets, I mean TV rights. Standing room alone makes raising ticket prices to PL levels absolutely unacceptable. It's the amount of fans that are just content with watching the one hour of highlights on Saturday evening over spending 30 or 40 € for Sky. The only reason I am now paying for it instead of watching streams is that it was available for 24€ or something and that is worth it to me. There is no way in hell I would, or will if it is part of the new deal, pay 20 to 30€ per month to the correct internet provider and another 40€ per month to Sky. That is the reality, at least in England and apparently enough people there are willing to do it because BT/Sky are throwing more and more money at it. On April 29 2016 06:06 smr wrote: I'd pay 15€/month for nothing but BVB-Bundesliga games and 1CL match/matchday online only. Most likely 20€ would be fine. And I'm pretty sure there are more people who don't want to spend huge amounts but would pay for a stream of their favourite club. Exactly, I was always ready to pay 20€ per month for Bundesliga and I did when I got the offer, but I'm not willing to pay more and that seems to be the consensus. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote: Do you really expect dortmund players to be honest about hoping to one day play for bayern? ;p It's also not like it's impossible for them to really love playing for the club and be happy about it, not really thinking about moving clubs, and then having a change of mentality after they realize bayern wants them.. I mean I still get that fans get mad, but I think rationally the players never really had the option of saying 'yeah, I hope one day to play for bayern munich because that is germany's greatest club, and I really want to win trophies and have a chance at winning the champions league'.. fans expectations basically force players to speak in a certain manner, which might or might not be genuine, and even if it was genuine at the time they said it, it's also possible that they just changed their minds. Na, i dont expect them to say "i hope i can play for your biggest rival one day". i'm hugely biased obviously as a Dortmund fan. But i expect that at least they don't proclaim their love for the club and say "i will stay here forever". Of course players might say things because of fan expectations but that's not the right way. I just expect them to be a little more honest, maybe brutally honest. Otherwise you get the witch-hunt going like with Götze when you eventually leave. Say you like playing for your Club if you want to. Don't proclaim love and say you will retire here. On April 29 2016 06:07 sneirac wrote: Eh I don't mean live tickets, I mean TV rights. Standing room alone makes raising ticket prices to PL levels absolutely unacceptable. It's the amount of fans that are just content with watching the one hour of highlights on Saturday evening over spending 30 or 40 € for Sky. The only reason I am now paying for it instead of watching streams is that it was available for 24€ or something and that is worth it to me. There is no way in hell I would, or will if it is part of the new deal, pay 20 to 30€ per month to the correct internet provider and another 40€ per month to Sky. That is the reality, at least in England and apparently enough people there are willing to do it because BT/Sky are throwing more and more money at it. Oh wow that's some crazy money. I payed for SKY as well but eventually realized it ain't worth it for me. I suppose we German are spoiled with "Sportschau" giving us highlights of the first 3 leagues in Germany. But then again we pay GEZ  I agree with the 20€. i would feel forced to watch as much as possible if payed like 40€ and that's not fun. Wayyyy to much money for it | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:09 BlackCompany wrote: Oh wow that's some crazy money. I payed for SKY as well but eventually realized it ain't worth it for me. I suppose we German are spoiled with "Sportschau" giving us highlights of the first 3 leagues in Germany. But then again we pay GEZ I agree with the 20€. i would feel forced to watch as much as possible if payed like 40€ and that's not fun. Wayyyy to much money for itIsn't Match of the Day the exact same thing as Sportsschau? A publicly financed Saturday evening highlight show. I'm also quite sure Pande will be able to sing the same high praises about BBC tax or whatever as all Germans do about GEZ. If I wasn't a student I would probably be willing to pay the undiscounted 40€ per month for all the football that you get. It's just that apparently the rest of Europe is more than willing to pay 70 or 80€ per month for less games and I have no idea why. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:23 sneirac wrote: Isn't Match of the Day the exact same thing as Sportsschau? A publicly financed Saturday evening highlight show. I'm also quite sure Pande will be able to sing the same high praises about BBC tax or whatever as all Germans do about GEZ. If I wasn't a student I would probably be willing to pay the undiscounted 40€ per month for all the football that you get. It's just that apparently the rest of Europe is more than willing to pay 70 or 80€ per month for less games and I have no idea why. I dont know about Match of the Day. If it's the same as Sportschau then good for them ofc. Well would you pay the 40€ just for Bundesliga/CL? That would probably be too much money for me. I agree that SKY can give you great value but you have to be interested in a lot of sports and dedicate a lot of time to watching games (even if its "only" league + CL/EL. That can keep you busy on 6 out of 7 weekdays while the season is going) and as much as i love football, i dont want to spend 6 days a week watching it. I would love to have some kind of prepaid model. Where you buy 10 games and can watch them whenever you want. But that's just my wishful thinking^^ | ||
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
On April 29 2016 04:20 OceanLab wrote: Craziest part is how much money Barca and Real Madrid make compared to the rest of the league, including Atletico. Makes Simeone look even better imo That numbers are from previous seasons ago. This season Atleti is earning 70-80 and next season Valencia and Atleti will win +100m (With Barcelona and Madrid earnings freezed). Eibar will earn next season 4 times more (from 10 to 40m). Things are improving since the centralized tv rights deal. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:29 BlackCompany wrote: I dont know about Match of the Day. If it's the same as Sportschau then good for them ofc. Well would you pay the 40€ just for Bundesliga/CL? That would probably be too much money for me. I agree that SKY can give you great value but you have to be interested in a lot of sports and dedicate a lot of time to watching games (even if its "only" league + CL/EL. That can keep you busy on 6 out of 7 weekdays while the season is going) and as much as i love football, i dont want to spend 6 days a week watching it. I would love to have some kind of prepaid model. Where you buy 10 games and can watch them whenever you want. But that's just my wishful thinking^^ If you just took the standard offer it would average out to 38€ per month for standard 24 month contract, then cancel and get renew offer etc. that would likely be the best you can get away with without something like a Christmas special. That would include all football they offer. Bundesliga (2nd and Austria), CL&EL, one or two PL games per week and the classicos. It is/can be 6 or 7 days per week, but given that even if I'm not fully paying attention I mostly have it open in the background it would be worth it to me. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On April 29 2016 06:43 sneirac wrote: If you just took the standard offer it would average out to 38€ per month for standard 24 month contract, then cancel and get renew offer etc. that would likely be the best you can get away with without something like a Christmas special. That would include all football they offer. Bundesliga (2nd and Austria), CL&EL, one or two PL games per week and the classicos. It is/can be 6 or 7 days per week, but given that even if I'm not fully paying attention I mostly have it open in the background it would be worth it to me. Yeah my GF had gifted me Sky once when she had an offer for ~30€ for what you just described (i think the first year was 25€ and the second year 35€). But even that is too much money for us to pay monthly, especially as she is not even interested in sports haha. I mayb pick up the CL package again once i start working (hopefully soon) but i am fine with saturday highlights for league | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3983 Posts
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On April 29 2016 07:48 BlackCompany wrote: Also i gotta say: I'm really curious which player BVB is going to buy if Hummels leaves. Bender + Sokratis would a solid defense but Bender is hurt way too often sadly. I actually have no clue who they might get For the moment my guess is that Tuchel would like to get Dahoud which would move Merino into the back three. Don't forget Ginter who played a lot of rb but who is said to have the skillset to become a mini-Hummels. + we have Passlack as a future rb and Stenzel who's on loan in St Pauli for another year where he instantly became a starter iirc. Of course Dahoud is either too expensive or forced to stay in Gladbach in case Xhaka leaves so we need to find another guy. But just as you I'm kinda clueless as Tuchel could plan like 3 ways with Merino. No idea where he thinks the roster is most lacking atm. Not sure about the defenders who were discussed this last week. Süle could be okay as he's young. Tah far too expensive. Toprak meh. Manolas could be fine. Greek defense > German defense any day of the week : D | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6975 Posts
On April 29 2016 02:28 Pandemona wrote: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChFJVoDWYAA3ch4.jpg) Interesting Leicester, finish 15 made more money than Bayern who won bundesliga. Some crazy money power in EnglandWho dafuq is Bayern Monaco and why the hell am I living in Stoccardo??? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6975 Posts
On April 29 2016 07:48 BlackCompany wrote: Also i gotta say: I'm really curious which player BVB is going to buy if Hummels leaves. Bender + Sokratis would a solid defense but Bender is hurt way too often sadly. I actually have no clue who they might get Pretty sure it's Süle from Hoffenheim To the Sky debate: I'm currently paying 35€ / month for the whole sky package in a 1 year contract. Since I'm living with 2 flatmates, thats 12€ for me. Couldn't care less about 12€ a month ^_^ We also have the best internet speed possbile for our location lol. I wouldn't pay it alone i guess but you can make a deal with a friend and get a 2nd card. You just have to live in the same city or sth. Would come down to about 50€ a month with 2 cards, meaning 25€ per person. Not sure about exact numbers here. Germanys league money will go up quite a bit with the 2nd service (2017 i believe). Will probably get us to a solid second place behind PL in terms of money. | ||
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Germany6975 Posts
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On April 29 2016 16:18 Harris1st wrote: I completly forgot: Isn't there still the Telekom Entertain offer? With only BuLi package? I'm not informed about that since i got cable anyway Works out to be pretty much the same as Sky assuming you live in a place Telekom can be bothered to build proper connection for (this excludes me by about 50 meters and since its not enough houses left out it looks like it will stay that way). Sky about 30€ depending on offer. Telekom 10€ more expensive than different providers, 10€ for entertain and 10€ for Bundesliga package This will be what changes in the new contract most likely. Sky will get 2/3 of all games and Telekom 1/3 and if you want to watch all off it please live in the correct location and pay 70€ per month :> | ||
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