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On October 13 2014 00:15 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 23:58 TerransHill wrote:On October 12 2014 23:24 Micro_Jackson wrote:
35 Million for Özil? Unrealistic i would say, that would be too much of a steal i take him over Draxler any day. Draxler >>> Özil. Draxler is the better dribbler, better on the wing and still only 21. I really hope we buy him and I can never imagine Bayern buying Özil. We have more than enough central midfielders we need wingers to replace ribery and robben in the future. Tell that to Pep... I dont like too. I think Bayern should buy a new top left winger and robben plays in the middle behind Lewandowski. I heard Pep want a new chef who replaces Sammer...
There are constant rumors of extending Sammers contract, that pep doesnt like him is new at least for me.
There is a reason Özil played almost every minute at the WC and Draxler only a few minutes. Draxler is good and all but he needs space for his game to be effective and space is the last thing you get in Munich.
Özil would make some sense because he is a great passer (most important for pep), can play off the ball and can play multiple position offensively. He doesnt have to carry a mediocre team and doesnt have to play so many minutes at Bayern because of their roster depth.
I would rather see Reus but at the moment i dont think it will happen because of political reasons.
Özil would be agreat fit for Dortmund too.
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On October 13 2014 00:47 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:15 Dingodile wrote:On October 12 2014 23:58 TerransHill wrote:On October 12 2014 23:24 Micro_Jackson wrote:
35 Million for Özil? Unrealistic i would say, that would be too much of a steal i take him over Draxler any day. Draxler >>> Özil. Draxler is the better dribbler, better on the wing and still only 21. I really hope we buy him and I can never imagine Bayern buying Özil. We have more than enough central midfielders we need wingers to replace ribery and robben in the future. Tell that to Pep... I dont like too. I think Bayern should buy a new top left winger and robben plays in the middle behind Lewandowski. I heard Pep want a new chef who replaces Sammer... There are constant rumors of extending Sammers contract, that pep doesnt like him is new at least for me. There is a reason Özil played almost every minute at the WC and Draxler only a few minutes. Draxler is good and all but he needs space for his game to be effective and space is the last thing you get in Munich. Özil would make some sense because he is a great passer (most important for pep), can play off the ball and can play multiple position offensively. He doesnt have to carry a mediocre team and doesnt have to play so many minutes at Bayern because of their roster depth. I would rather see Reus but at the moment i dont think it will happen because of political reasons. Özil would be agreat fit for Dortmund too.
I think that Özil is a bit overrated and I've been critical of him in the past (especially during the WC), but I'd still love to see him at Dortmund. Unfortunately, I think Dortmund has a thing against spending that kind of money on a player.
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I'd be very sad to see Özil leave, even if I currently rate Cazorla over him. I'd argue we never really needed Özil, but I was extremely excited to have gotten him. I sincerely believe he's one of the best 10's in the world on his day. With our pacey wingers and focus on playing a beautiful passing game, it seemed like a great fit. Then came injuries (both for him and players around) and him being played a little here and there. He's also been wildly inconsistent and seemingly lazy during games, which has caused much frustration.
My reaction to us selling him would depend greatly on who we get for the money. Selling Özil and not buying a DM and back-up defender would probably give me an aneurysm.
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On October 13 2014 00:33 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:15 Dingodile wrote:On October 12 2014 23:58 TerransHill wrote:On October 12 2014 23:24 Micro_Jackson wrote:
35 Million for Özil? Unrealistic i would say, that would be too much of a steal i take him over Draxler any day. Draxler >>> Özil. Draxler is the better dribbler, better on the wing and still only 21. I really hope we buy him and I can never imagine Bayern buying Özil. We have more than enough central midfielders we need wingers to replace ribery and robben in the future. Tell that to Pep... I dont like too. I think Bayern should buy a new top left winger and robben plays in the middle behind Lewandowski. I heard Pep want a new chef who replaces Sammer... What, he doesn't like Bavarian cuisine? Also >Daily Mail
There is also skybet on Özil's situtation on skysports.
Özil would be good fit on Bayern Munih. They are mainly holding ball and looking for openings in opponenents defence, and there is no better player than Özil at finding openings. Just dont play him fucking wide.
Rooney killing England's positions so hard against Estonia rofl.
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England's build up play is so bad and its not even funny.
what a terrible goalkeeping from Estonia's GK :D Rooney scores from freekick.
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Man Bayern needs a very good..... fuck they have the perfect team plz leave some players for other teams pep
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On October 13 2014 03:16 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 02:29 Mensol wrote:
England's build up play is so bad and its not even funny.
what a terrible goalkeeping from Estonia's GK :D Rooney scores from freekick. We actually created quite a few chances (25 shots in total), so it was out finishing that was truly poor. Should've been a much more comfortable victory, but good teams are the ones that win games when they're playing badly.
Good teams are the ones that win when they're playing badly, but only when its against opposition of equal skill. The fact that England beat Estonia 1-0 says absolutely nothing about the quality of either team.
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25 shots and like 3 on target damn that was one of the worst games i've watched in a long time. I hate playing without width it makes for a truly uninspiring performance. 4-4-2 diamond just does not work for me. Welbeck didn't even get a sniff, Rooney was to deep, Lallana thinks he is Messi or something. The only midfielder i thought played ok was Delph and for the love of god how bad is Chambers TT, he was just a waste of a position.
Oh well, 9 points from 9, next up Slovenia.
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Why would Bayern spend money on Özil...
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Would love to see Özil at Bayern, Guardiola will make better use of him than Wenger. It has been sad to see him wasted.
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On October 13 2014 19:29 Crushinator wrote:
Would love to see Özil at Bayern, Guardiola will make better use of him than Wenger. It has been sad to see him wasted.
Özil as left winger (his favorite position) and Robben in the middle behind Lewandowski!
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On October 13 2014 04:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
Good teams are the ones that win when they're playing badly, but only when its against opposition of equal skill. The fact that England beat Estonia 1-0 says absolutely nothing about the quality of either team.
Thats not true, because if you play badly against equal skill you should technically lose and if you do win then its not because you are a good team, its because you got lucky.
Grinding out results against weaker teams with a poor performance is a good team. Because a good team playing badly can still beat weaker teams.
Thats the point he was making and I agree.
Thats basically United's league recipe for the last 2 decades till 2013. Granted Fergie chewing gum voodoo and teams bending over had a fair bit to do with it.
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On October 13 2014 23:34 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
Good teams are the ones that win when they're playing badly, but only when its against opposition of equal skill. The fact that England beat Estonia 1-0 says absolutely nothing about the quality of either team.
Thats not true, because if you play badly against equal skill you should technically lose and if you do win then its not because you are a good team, its because you got lucky. Grinding out results against weaker teams with a poor performance is a good team. Because a good team playing badly can still beat weaker teams. Thats the point he was making and I agree. Thats basically United's league recipe for the last 2 decades till 2013. Granted Fergie chewing gum voodoo and teams bending over had a fair bit to do with it.
Oh dear not this myth again, almost as bad as the "never getting a decision at OT/FA conspiracy" nonsense (beyond the home advantage any team gets)
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It was also preceded by fergie gum chewing voodoo. Dont take it to seriously.
That having been said, the fear that teams had of United was a very real thing, regardless the state of the game they would shit their pants and add to that the belief that had been fostered iand the never say Die we will fucking win this attitude that had been cultivated at United opponents would make mistakes they hadnt for all of 80 minutes.
Theres no conspiracy theory here, it was something that goes credit to the players and the manager no one else.
The same crosses that they got criticized all last year were yielding goals all the time. Chico being a massive beneficiary one particular year.
You will notice that fear evaporated last year.
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On October 14 2014 01:19 Rebs wrote:
It was also preceded by fergie gum chewing voodoo. Dont take it to seriously.
That having been said, the fear that teams had of United was a very real thing, regardless the state of the game they would shit their pants and add to that the belief that had been fostered iand the never say Die we will fucking win this attitude that had been cultivated at United opponents would make mistakes they hadnt for all of 80 minutes.
Theres no conspiracy theory here, it was something that goes credit to the players and the manager no one else.
The same crosses that they got criticized all last year were yielding goals all the time. Chico being a massive beneficiary one particular year.
You will notice that fear evaporated last year.
Rather than some magical force created by "fear" (of what exactly?) which apparently effects players abilities to defend set pieces, I'd like to attribute it to a manager from a mid table club who doesn't understated player management or more advanced tactics taking over from the best manager in the history of football to be the main, and only, factor. Maybe that's just me.
There is a psychological element to football of course, but the idea a manager who isn't even playing on the pitch has this overwhelming effect is just ridiculous. Maybe if it was a player like roy keane i would understand your point, but even then i think it would be a gross exaggeration of reality.
Edit: You say that it was preceded by vodoo but then make some alarming accusations about fear being the thing that left OT. I know the media try and push this pantomime narrative nonsense but people don't really buy it do they?
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I didnt say the teams were scared of Ferguson, he cant kick the football into the goal.
But teams did bend over, you can go over so many of the "late" goals and be like, what the fuck.... the same shit that didnt work for 80 minutes is now producing goals :S :S.
The same "Antonio Valencia kick the ball past defender run to the byline and cutback that didnt work for 80 minutes would start producing goals." Nothing much changed except the psychology of the opponent and the added belief that United would gain (sure there is fatigue and all that)
But the belief is fostered by the manager, the players have to do it ofcourse. So I dont know why you keep going to that. Im not pinning it all on Fergie either so I dont get why you keep going to that. It was meant to be light hearted no need to be so defensive about it.
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On October 13 2014 20:25 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 19:29 Crushinator wrote:
Would love to see Özil at Bayern, Guardiola will make better use of him than Wenger. It has been sad to see him wasted. Özil as left winger (his favorite position) and Robben in the middle behind Lewandowski!
I think he could be a replacement for Shaqiri who wants to leave. Not the worst i guess.
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On October 14 2014 01:40 Rebs wrote:
I didnt say the teams were scared of Ferguson, he cant kick the football into the goal.
But teams did bend over, you can go over so many of the "late" goals and be like, what the fuck.... the same shit that didnt work for 80 minutes is now producing goals :S :S.
The same "Antonio Valencia kick the ball past defender run to the byline and cutback that didnt work for 80 minutes would start producing goals." Nothing much changed except the psychology of the opponent and the added belief that United would gain (sure there is fatigue and all that)
But the belief is fostered by the manager, the players have to do it ofcourse. So I dont know why you keep going to that. Im not pinning it all on Fergie either so I dont get why you keep going to that. It was meant to be light hearted no need to be so defensive about it.
Maybe i came off too defensive sorry. Im just a bit fed up of people using the negative conatation that teams bent over for SAF teams, as if trying to take away from his achieivements. Seems like a lazy narrative instead of saying that he tatically played in an athletic style that wore teams down through constant pressure, counter attacking and clinical finishing (all of which can be coached) and also the leadership style that instilled a mentaility in the team to never let off pressure. Basically the wording comes across like your attributing anything but skill to SAF achievements. You could acuse me of being pedantic but its the language everyone seems to use these days when talking about him.
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