Main Card (Pay-Per-View) Light Heavyweight: Jon Jones (c) vs Glover Teixeira Light Heavyweight: Phil Davis vs Anthony Johnson Middleweight: Luke Rockhold vs Tim Boetsch Lightweight: Jim Miller vs Yancy Medeiros Featherweight: Max Holloway vs Andre Fili
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1) Flyweight: Joseph Benavidez vs Tim Elliott Lightweight: Takanori Gomi vs Isaac Vallie-Flagg Women's Bantamweight: Jessamyn Duke vs Bethe Correia Danny Castillo vs Charlie Brenneman
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass) Bantamweight: Chris Beal vs Patrick Williams
On April 21 2014 11:05 Ogna wrote: hope jones takes this one, can you imagine trying to promote teixeria?? lol would be a big hit to the ufc to loose jones
Quite easy to promote him in Brazil where the sport seems to be the biggest.
On April 21 2014 11:05 Ogna wrote: hope jones takes this one, can you imagine trying to promote teixeria?? lol would be a big hit to the ufc to loose jones
Quite easy to promote him in Brazil where the sport seems to be the biggest.
Its the biggest in terms of fans but not in the same universe in terms of money. Imagine trying to promote Texeria in Macau compared to johhny MMA.
On April 21 2014 11:05 Ogna wrote: hope jones takes this one, can you imagine trying to promote teixeria?? lol would be a big hit to the ufc to loose jones
Quite easy to promote him in Brazil where the sport seems to be the biggest.
Its the biggest in terms of fans but not in the same universe in terms of money. Imagine trying to promote Texeria in Macau compared to johhny MMA.
Yes but also imagine trying to sell teixeria for PPV lol!!! Jones is their only ppv star right now and ppv is the big $
Also Casuals dont know who teixeria is
Really looking forward to Luke fighting and the return of rumble
Keep in mind that Jim Miller was originally scheduled to fight Bobby Green, but with Green getting hurt, Medeiros stepped in when he was supposed to fight Joe Ellenberger, and Vagner Rocha stepped into fight Ellenberger with a week's notice.
Fun fact, Joe Ellenberger is the twin brother of Jake Ellenberger
Marketing any Brazilian not named Anderson Silva is really hard, imo. Aldo is doing alright because he's young and cocky and he'll have other young and cocky guys like Pettis to build his name with, but Teixeria, he's a lot like Fedor I think. Don't really hear him talk much, and when he does it's always really respectful. Come to think of it, I can't remember listening to an interview with Glover. How's his english? Most people hated Anderson because he refused to even attempt his broken english for so long. It's kind of like Koreans in SC2...it took someone like MC to really put on shows and performances to help a lot of those gamers start breaking out of their shell. They see MC speaking, hell singing, in terrible english and gain some confidence. Hopefully that happens with some of these young guys in the UFC who don't speak great english. But yeah, marketing the LHW division is WAY easier with just about anyone but Glover.
This should be a pretty good card, I think. I'm really excited to see Rumble back in the UFC. Would be so funny if he missed weight. Phil Davis sounds like his losing his mind, so I expect to see a dominating performance from him to back up all this talk about breaking people, and Bones backing out, and interim titles and shit.
On April 22 2014 07:33 GrapeApe wrote: Come to think of it, I can't remember listening to an interview with Glover. How's his english?
If you don't want to watch the video, take my word for it: It's a lot better than Anderson's (but you'd have to be pretty bad at english to be worse than "I chained my family!", "My favorite happer is-", "I back, I back"). Anderson's english was always a bit of a mystery to me... So much time spent in a business that revolves around the english language, and so little improvement.
Anyway, I predicted Gustafsson was going to give Jones a run for his money, and I expect the same with Glover. But I think I'll be rooting for Jones just so we can see the dream rematch against Gustafsson.
Ahh yeah, Glover actually speaks really well. That ups his marketing a TON. Plus training at ATT is also big. Glover has the tools to be marketable, but the UFC doesn't want to build up a 34 year old Brazilian when you have a 26 year old American with 2 brothers in the NFL as your champion.
I actually like Bobby Green. I hope to see him fight again soon! I also like Tim Elliot minus the beard.
Predictions:
Jon Jones vs Teixeira: Nobody will know how to spell Teixeira's name even if he wins. The fight will likely go the distance with the decision going to Jon Jones. I also predict that one freak accident will happen at some point on this card, ruining one of the fights and making everyone flip a desk.
Davis vs Johnson: Davis is much more technical striker than Johnson. Johnson is one-punchesque in his approach, and I truly believe people will be surprised by how well Phil Davis' striking works out. Unless he gets KO'd. Then you won't. Also, if Johnson wins, Joe Rogan will definitely yell either "Anthony Johnson is back!" or "Anthony Johnson, welcome back to the UFC!" or a combination of both. Boetsch vs Rockhold: Boetsch will knock out Rockhold with a wheel kick to the head at 2:19 into the first round.
On April 22 2014 10:47 ninazerg wrote: I actually like Bobby Green. I hope to see him fight again soon! I also like Tim Elliot minus the beard.
Predictions:
Jon Jones vs Teixeira: Nobody will know how to spell Teixeira's name even if he wins. The fight will likely go the distance with the decision going to Jon Jones. I also predict that one freak accident will happen at some point on this card, ruining one of the fights and making everyone flip a desk.
Davis vs Johnson: Davis is much more technical striker than Johnson. Johnson is one-punchesque in his approach, and I truly believe people will be surprised by how well Phil Davis' striking works out. Unless he gets KO'd. Then you won't. Also, if Johnson wins, Joe Rogan will definitely yell either "Anthony Johnson is back!" or "Anthony Johnson, welcome back to the UFC!" or a combination of both. Boetsch vs Rockhold: Boetsch will knock out Rockhold with a wheel kick to the head at 2:19 into the first round.
Dude, Joe Rogan will probably yell that if Rumble lands anything of note. "HE ROCKED HIM, FOLKS! RUMBLE IS BACK!" It's 100% that he starts post fight with something similar to that as well. We'll probably hear the phrase 3 or 4 times if Rumble wins. I think Rumble could win, too. Davis has been talking a lot lately, and it's been all about Jones and titles. If there was ever anyone looking past a fight it's Davis and this fight, I think. Also, he's been saying some crazy stuff. He's lost his mind.
If your Rockhold/Boetsch prediction comes true I will probably poop. My anticipation will be at an all time high come 2:18!
On April 22 2014 10:47 ninazerg wrote: I actually like Bobby Green. I hope to see him fight again soon! I also like Tim Elliot minus the beard.
Predictions:
Jon Jones vs Teixeira: Nobody will know how to spell Teixeira's name even if he wins. The fight will likely go the distance with the decision going to Jon Jones. I also predict that one freak accident will happen at some point on this card, ruining one of the fights and making everyone flip a desk.
Davis vs Johnson: Davis is much more technical striker than Johnson. Johnson is one-punchesque in his approach, and I truly believe people will be surprised by how well Phil Davis' striking works out. Unless he gets KO'd. Then you won't. Also, if Johnson wins, Joe Rogan will definitely yell either "Anthony Johnson is back!" or "Anthony Johnson, welcome back to the UFC!" or a combination of both. Boetsch vs Rockhold: Boetsch will knock out Rockhold with a wheel kick to the head at 2:19 into the first round.
Dude, Joe Rogan will probably yell that if Rumble lands anything of note. "HE ROCKED HIM, FOLKS! RUMBLE IS BACK!" It's 100% that he starts post fight with something similar to that as well. We'll probably hear the phrase 3 or 4 times if Rumble wins. I think Rumble could win, too. Davis has been talking a lot lately, and it's been all about Jones and titles. If there was ever anyone looking past a fight it's Davis and this fight, I think. Also, he's been saying some crazy stuff. He's lost his mind.
If your Rockhold/Boetsch prediction comes true I will probably poop. My anticipation will be at an all time high come 2:18!
This card was just really hard for me to make any solid prediction. I think it's mainly a lack of homework on my part, but also because the match-making is getting more complicated. They put people on loss streaks against each other, and people with win streaks against each other a lot. Sometimes, people's mentality goes down the drain after a tough loss, or they get KO'd all the time after their first time being KO'd. Still loss-streak matches are easier to predict if you can figure out why they've been losing and why their opponent has been losing. Win streaks are just ugh. Especially if the opponents are "weak". Some people will disagree with me, but I think Mark Munos and Damian Maia are low-tier in terms of skill, so when Chris Weidman beat them, it didn't convince me that he could beat Anderson Silva. Now, some people will say that Silva basically gave the first fight away for free, but Weidman did a lot of right things in my opinion, like pressuring Silva, going for submissions, using distance well, good head movement, and good punching - he actually landed more punches on Anderson Silva than he received.
As far as Teixeira goes, I don't think he's a bad fighter, but he beat Ryan Bader to get the title shot, and Bader wasn't even in the top 10. I have more thoughts on this, but my brain is kind of turned to mush because I should be sleeping right now.
rumble... from 170 to 205... I couldnt believe my eyes when I saw this card, I thought "What, Phil Davis dropped down?" and then NOPE, 205. How the f*ck did Rumbe ever cut to 170?
On April 23 2014 08:08 Silentness wrote: I voted Jon Jones & Anthony Johnson for the polls.
Glover got rocked by Bader... he lost all cred when that happened LOL. ----
The UFC 172 countdowns are up if the OP wants to update original post!
Yup, sorry, I even watched the Countdown show as soon as they were up on YouTube. Just completely forgot to put them in the OP.
Yeah, if there's one flyweight I'm hoping does well, it's Tim Elliott. The guy was fed to the wolves as soon as he came into the UFC, fighting John Dodson in his very first fight, and ate some pretty solid shots. Of course, he was coming off of a vicious KO win over Jens Pulver, but that was when Pulver was falling downhill like Chuck Liddell. (Also, fuck Pulver.)
Everyone agree with Ali Bagautinov getting a title shot against Demetrious Johnson? Actually, is there anyone left to fight Mighty Mouse?
Also, another thing to note is that there was once a time when Boestch was counted out of a fight from the very start, and in that fight, after being dominated for two rounds, came back to win in one of the most dramatic comebacks of UFC history...
Don't count Boestch out yet from his fight with Rockhold, he's the definition of a scrappy blue collar fighter.
I would love to see Bagautinov against Mighty Mouse. I would also like to see Tim Elliott get a title shot sometime. I also like John Dodson, so I hope he does well. I like Ian McCall's mustache and striking.
On April 23 2014 11:15 ninazerg wrote: I would love to see Bagautinov against Mighty Mouse. I would also like to see Tim Elliott get a title shot sometime. I also like John Dodson, so I hope he does well. I like Ian McCall's mustache and striking.
Blah, just another striker could can't figure out the range or the elbows :\
On April 27 2014 13:19 Silentness wrote: Jon Jones reach is ridiculous haha. He literally covers his opponent's face with one hand and then sets them up for combinations.
He's lucky he didn't lose a point, because he was going fingers to eyes quite a bit before getting warned. He looked like Koscheck out there with that shit.
On April 27 2014 13:19 Silentness wrote: Jon Jones reach is ridiculous haha. He literally covers his opponent's face with one hand and then sets them up for combinations.
He's lucky he didn't lose a point, because he was going fingers to eyes quite a bit before getting warned. He looked like Koscheck out there with that shit.
then he didn't finger again. Its mma dude.. Just use it as advantage. Jon jones was like.... a beast today. I was so amazed at his versatility
On April 27 2014 13:27 GrapeApe wrote: Blah, just another striker could can't figure out the range or the elbows :\
On April 27 2014 13:19 Silentness wrote: Jon Jones reach is ridiculous haha. He literally covers his opponent's face with one hand and then sets them up for combinations.
He's lucky he didn't lose a point, because he was going fingers to eyes quite a bit before getting warned. He looked like Koscheck out there with that shit.
then he didn't finger again. Its mma dude.. Just use it as advantage. Jon jones was like.... a beast today. I was so amazed at his versatility
Yeah Jones put on a clinic today. He even got in Glover's face and brawled with him up close.
On April 27 2014 15:17 FiWiFaKi wrote: I missed the fight because I had a final.
Do you guys recommend watching it? And any other fights worth seeing?
I'm kind of biased, but I enjoy almost every fight I watch for some weird reason. Luke Rockhold vs Tim Boetsch was short, but good, especially if you love grappling. Jon Jones is always fun to watch, if you want to see a good KO, check out Chris Beal vs Patrick Williams. The Rockhold vs Boetsch fight had a great submission at the end, but also so did Tim Elliott vs Joseph Benavidez. Jessamyn Duke did a really nice Judo trip to counter the body-lock from Bethe Correia in her fight.
On April 27 2014 15:49 Fighter wrote: Hey OP, I always appreciate the well made posts, but ONE thing I always wish you would include is a link to the events wiki.
uh what? UFC is a payper view event meaning it's not free. there are "illegal streams" but then that wouldn't be something the op can post anyway. so if that's what your asking for, you're in the wrong place. if you want a link to the fight card and other information, ufc.com is the main wiki.
On April 27 2014 15:49 Fighter wrote: Hey OP, I always appreciate the well made posts, but ONE thing I always wish you would include is a link to the events wiki.
uh what? UFC is a payper view event meaning it's not free. there are "illegal streams" but then that wouldn't be something the op can post anyway. so if that's what your asking for, you're in the wrong place. if you want a link to the fight card and other information, ufc.com is the main wiki.
I think he was just asking for link to the UFC 172 Wikipedia page so he can look up the results of all the cards and bonuses.
Yeah, I'll start putting up the link to the Wikipedia page nowadays, figured I should since we don't necessarily post all of the results in the thread.
On April 27 2014 13:27 GrapeApe wrote: Blah, just another striker could can't figure out the range or the elbows :\
On April 27 2014 13:19 Silentness wrote: Jon Jones reach is ridiculous haha. He literally covers his opponent's face with one hand and then sets them up for combinations.
He's lucky he didn't lose a point, because he was going fingers to eyes quite a bit before getting warned. He looked like Koscheck out there with that shit.
then he didn't finger again. Its mma dude.. Just use it as advantage. Jon jones was like.... a beast today. I was so amazed at his versatility
I'm not saying he shouldn't use his advantages (the hands in the face, the hyper extending knee strikes, the hyper extending locked elbow in the clinch, the shoulder strikes), but I'm saying he needs to be careful with it because aside from the point ramifications in the ring he could really ruin a good fight with a shit eye poke. You fuck up a guys vision in the first couple of minutes with a bad "accidental" eye poke and you have a huge advantage for a pretty substantial amount of time. And I'm not trying to take anything away from him...I think he beats Glover probably 9 out of 10 times, but the last thing the UFC needs is for Jones to start getting a dirty fighter tag.
Jones vs Gus rematch is going to be huge, man. My heart cries for Gus, but my brain really says that the champ is going to hold on to this belt for a very, very long time. Jones is just so good and I know the UFC always likes to hype that "this is the best version of <insert name> we've ever seen" but Jones just seems to bring something new every single fight, and uses everything so intelligently. Barring any sort of flash knockout, or some INSANE control on the ground, I just don't see him losing. And if Hendo somehow beats DC...oh jeez, Jones will be champion forever. I feel like Hendo/Jones goes exactly like Glover/Jones, except Hendo gases throwing H-bombs from 88 inches away and missing and gets finished.
On April 27 2014 13:27 GrapeApe wrote: Blah, just another striker could can't figure out the range or the elbows :\
On April 27 2014 13:19 Silentness wrote: Jon Jones reach is ridiculous haha. He literally covers his opponent's face with one hand and then sets them up for combinations.
He's lucky he didn't lose a point, because he was going fingers to eyes quite a bit before getting warned. He looked like Koscheck out there with that shit.
then he didn't finger again. Its mma dude.. Just use it as advantage. Jon jones was like.... a beast today. I was so amazed at his versatility
I'm not saying he shouldn't use his advantages (the hands in the face, the hyper extending knee strikes, the hyper extending locked elbow in the clinch, the shoulder strikes), but I'm saying he needs to be careful with it because aside from the point ramifications in the ring he could really ruin a good fight with a shit eye poke. You fuck up a guys vision in the first couple of minutes with a bad "accidental" eye poke and you have a huge advantage for a pretty substantial amount of time. And I'm not trying to take anything away from him...I think he beats Glover probably 9 out of 10 times, but the last thing the UFC needs is for Jones to start getting a dirty fighter tag.
Jones vs Gus rematch is going to be huge, man. My heart cries for Gus, but my brain really says that the champ is going to hold on to this belt for a very, very long time. Jones is just so good and I know the UFC always likes to hype that "this is the best version of <insert name> we've ever seen" but Jones just seems to bring something new every single fight, and uses everything so intelligently. Barring any sort of flash knockout, or some INSANE control on the ground, I just don't see him losing. And if Hendo somehow beats DC...oh jeez, Jones will be champion forever. I feel like Hendo/Jones goes exactly like Glover/Jones, except Hendo gases throwing H-bombs from 88 inches away and missing and gets finished.
I agree and I have repeated myself several times on this matter. The solution is simple: extending your fingers towards an opponents face should be illegal, plain and simple. The arm-extending Jones utilizes is meant to keep his opponents at a distance, therefore extending your FIST towards an opponents face is all that is necessary, and there is nothing wrong with that. There is no other way around this and no other solution. If your fingers gets near an opponents face, an "accidental" eye-poke is bound to happen. It astounds me how common sense escapes the folks at the UFC.
Jones's eye-poke versus Gustafsson immediately comes to mind. Gus had Jones in a very tough spot, and that eye-poke, accidental or not (it wasn't, in my opinion), bought Jones some time to recover.
Anyway, I have no idea as to who will win the Jones vs Gus rematch. Both of these guys know each other well now that they've gone to war with each other for 25 minutes. I'm leaning towards Gus with his excellent boxing and superior takedown defense.
On April 27 2014 15:17 FiWiFaKi wrote: I missed the fight because I had a final.
Do you guys recommend watching it? And any other fights worth seeing?
I'm kind of biased, but I enjoy almost every fight I watch for some weird reason. Luke Rockhold vs Tim Boetsch was short, but good, especially if you love grappling. Jon Jones is always fun to watch, if you want to see a good KO, check out Chris Beal vs Patrick Williams. The Rockhold vs Boetsch fight had a great submission at the end, but also so did Tim Elliott vs Joseph Benavidez. Jessamyn Duke did a really nice Judo trip to counter the body-lock from Bethe Correia in her fight.
Agree, watched the event this morning and thought all the fights were good (really liked the Rockhold v Boetsch fight too).
On April 27 2014 13:27 GrapeApe wrote: Blah, just another striker could can't figure out the range or the elbows :\
On April 27 2014 13:19 Silentness wrote: Jon Jones reach is ridiculous haha. He literally covers his opponent's face with one hand and then sets them up for combinations.
He's lucky he didn't lose a point, because he was going fingers to eyes quite a bit before getting warned. He looked like Koscheck out there with that shit.
then he didn't finger again. Its mma dude.. Just use it as advantage. Jon jones was like.... a beast today. I was so amazed at his versatility
I'm not saying he shouldn't use his advantages (the hands in the face, the hyper extending knee strikes, the hyper extending locked elbow in the clinch, the shoulder strikes), but I'm saying he needs to be careful with it because aside from the point ramifications in the ring he could really ruin a good fight with a shit eye poke. You fuck up a guys vision in the first couple of minutes with a bad "accidental" eye poke and you have a huge advantage for a pretty substantial amount of time. And I'm not trying to take anything away from him...I think he beats Glover probably 9 out of 10 times, but the last thing the UFC needs is for Jones to start getting a dirty fighter tag.
Jones vs Gus rematch is going to be huge, man. My heart cries for Gus, but my brain really says that the champ is going to hold on to this belt for a very, very long time. Jones is just so good and I know the UFC always likes to hype that "this is the best version of <insert name> we've ever seen" but Jones just seems to bring something new every single fight, and uses everything so intelligently. Barring any sort of flash knockout, or some INSANE control on the ground, I just don't see him losing. And if Hendo somehow beats DC...oh jeez, Jones will be champion forever. I feel like Hendo/Jones goes exactly like Glover/Jones, except Hendo gases throwing H-bombs from 88 inches away and missing and gets finished.
I agree and I have repeated myself several times on this matter. The solution is simple: extending your fingers towards an opponents face should be illegal, plain and simple. The arm-extending Jones utilizes is meant to keep his opponents at a distance, therefore extending your FIST towards an opponents face is all that is necessary, and there is nothing wrong with that. There is no other way around this and no other solution. If your fingers gets near an opponents face, an "accidental" eye-poke is bound to happen. It astounds me how common sense escapes the folks at the UFC.
Jones's eye-poke versus Gustafsson immediately comes to mind. Gus had Jones in a very tough spot, and that eye-poke, accidental or not (it wasn't, in my opinion), bought Jones some time to recover.
Anyway, I have no idea as to who will win the Jones vs Gus rematch. Both of these guys know each other well now that they've gone to war with each other for 25 minutes. I'm leaning towards Gus with his excellent boxing and superior takedown defense.
I agree and it sounded like Joe was kind of saying the same.
The more I look into this it seems the world is starting to back Jones being a dirty fighter. The eye pokes have been a HUGE problem in the past (at least 5 of his fights) and Rampage wasn't even aware that knee kick he was doing in their fight was legal (Rampage doesn't seem real bright =). It's really the eye pokes. That shit has to go.
Actually, the bout that comes to my mind first is Bisping vs Alan Belcher when it comes to eye-poking. That was really unfortunate, but it made me wonder why more fighters who are down in points, for example, don't 'accidentally' start throwing kicks to the groin or poking.
But to be honest, I have no problem with the open hand reaching. Just the referees need to deduct points more liberally on fouls involving eye-pokes.
Yeah, the ref is at fault too. Jones is doing something illegal, so he's at fault of course, but when the ref doesn't do anything about it (2 warnings and then nothing else despite Jones continuing to do it?), then he's not doing his job.
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