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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 09 2014 04:54 GMT
#4721
Julio Jones has had the weirdest season. I thought he was injured before this week and had been all season. Then I say he was like 3rd in yards, and now he explodes (meaninglessly).
Freeeeeeedom
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 09 2014 05:11 GMT
#4722
I was surprised by Jones's yards as well. I found it interesting that Antonio Brown is first among WRs in both yards and TDs. What a year for him.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
December 09 2014 05:46 GMT
#4723
On December 09 2014 12:14 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 11:17 andrewlt wrote:
On December 09 2014 07:45 cLutZ wrote:
On December 09 2014 07:08 andrewlt wrote:
Is it just me or are we seeing a lot of teams with decent defenses being held back by truly abysmal or just plain inconsistent offenses this year? Cardinals, 49ers, Browns, Rams, Bills, Bengals, Lions.

In recent years, I'm more used to seeing playoff contenders sink because of defensive issues. This year, it feels like a lot of playoff contenders have good defenses but are being held back by qb issues.


Just speculation, but it might be that the QB friendly rules raise the "floor" so that even mostly incompetent QBs can be carried by a good defense and decent offensive weapons. Much like how Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers dragged their teams into the playoffs in the past 5 seasons (some less so now, Like Brady has a legit defense) only to be held back by the crappy D.


I'm not talking about incompetent QBs somehow scoring though. Even with the QB friendly rules, for example, Hoyer and Kaepernick put in truly miserable performances yesterday. Also, the supposedly high-powered Eagles offense got helped by a lot of DST scoring.

edit: Looks like the Packers are passing their test against another first place team. haha


Indeed, but you are misunderstanding how the new system works: Even if you are terrible at QB you can usually look competent, sometimes elite, and only rarely do you show your true colors.

Like, your boy Dalton, his fantasy points are 18,14,11,17,18,19,14,-3,21,11,11,26. Sure fantasy points aren't perfect, but they kinda show how you can put out decent performances fairly often, even when you are bad.


I admit it was a stretch to include the Bengals there. Dalton is a mediocre QB who struggles against the rush but is decent when given protection. That's more mediocre than bad.

Kaep has regressed mightily this year. Stafford has had a terrible stretch. I don't think the QB friendly rules are helping them as they are playing much worse than in years past. Stafford is being carried by a vastly improved defense. 49ers are mostly winning only low scoring games. They're just not looking competent in the vast majority of games.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 09 2014 05:59 GMT
#4724
On December 09 2014 14:46 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 12:14 cLutZ wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:17 andrewlt wrote:
On December 09 2014 07:45 cLutZ wrote:
On December 09 2014 07:08 andrewlt wrote:
Is it just me or are we seeing a lot of teams with decent defenses being held back by truly abysmal or just plain inconsistent offenses this year? Cardinals, 49ers, Browns, Rams, Bills, Bengals, Lions.

In recent years, I'm more used to seeing playoff contenders sink because of defensive issues. This year, it feels like a lot of playoff contenders have good defenses but are being held back by qb issues.


Just speculation, but it might be that the QB friendly rules raise the "floor" so that even mostly incompetent QBs can be carried by a good defense and decent offensive weapons. Much like how Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers dragged their teams into the playoffs in the past 5 seasons (some less so now, Like Brady has a legit defense) only to be held back by the crappy D.


I'm not talking about incompetent QBs somehow scoring though. Even with the QB friendly rules, for example, Hoyer and Kaepernick put in truly miserable performances yesterday. Also, the supposedly high-powered Eagles offense got helped by a lot of DST scoring.

edit: Looks like the Packers are passing their test against another first place team. haha


Indeed, but you are misunderstanding how the new system works: Even if you are terrible at QB you can usually look competent, sometimes elite, and only rarely do you show your true colors.

Like, your boy Dalton, his fantasy points are 18,14,11,17,18,19,14,-3,21,11,11,26. Sure fantasy points aren't perfect, but they kinda show how you can put out decent performances fairly often, even when you are bad.


I admit it was a stretch to include the Bengals there. Dalton is a mediocre QB who struggles against the rush but is decent when given protection. That's more mediocre than bad.

Kaep has regressed mightily this year. Stafford has had a terrible stretch. I don't think the QB friendly rules are helping them as they are playing much worse than in years past. Stafford is being carried by a vastly improved defense. 49ers are mostly winning only low scoring games. They're just not looking competent in the vast majority of games.


The reason I would shrug off other explanations is because 5/6 the teams you listed dont have QBs on cheap or Rookie deals (or they have an injured QB who is paid well), so its not like those teams are saving huge cash on the QB position Seahawks-Style.
Freeeeeeedom
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-09 19:25:45
December 09 2014 18:42 GMT
#4725
Big news morning!


Cam Newton injured in a car accident. Another car was involved in the accident. Not enough news to know anything beyond Cam appeared ok and smiling. Was taken on a stretcher, but that may just be a precaution.




Also, Johnny Manziel officially named starter against Bengals (not sure why they wouldn't keep the Bengals hanging and wait till later to announce this, but w/e).


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giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
December 09 2014 18:57 GMT
#4726
On December 10 2014 03:42 On_Slaught wrote:
Also, Johnny Manziel officially named starter against Bengals (not sure why they wouldn't keep the Bengals hanging and wait till later to announce this, but w/e).

Your team is already going to have media all over themselves asking who is starting. Now the media can fight with each other over whether he will be any good or not, is he ready, was it the right move... Removing the distraction from the players hopefully outweighs the potential advantage you get from waiting to announce it.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
December 09 2014 21:18 GMT
#4727
On December 10 2014 03:57 giftdgecko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 03:42 On_Slaught wrote:
Also, Johnny Manziel officially named starter against Bengals (not sure why they wouldn't keep the Bengals hanging and wait till later to announce this, but w/e).

Your team is already going to have media all over themselves asking who is starting. Now the media can fight with each other over whether he will be any good or not, is he ready, was it the right move... Removing the distraction from the players hopefully outweighs the potential advantage you get from waiting to announce it.


It's not like they are choosing between Brady and Manning.
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
December 09 2014 23:48 GMT
#4728
On December 10 2014 06:18 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 03:57 giftdgecko wrote:
On December 10 2014 03:42 On_Slaught wrote:
Also, Johnny Manziel officially named starter against Bengals (not sure why they wouldn't keep the Bengals hanging and wait till later to announce this, but w/e).

Your team is already going to have media all over themselves asking who is starting. Now the media can fight with each other over whether he will be any good or not, is he ready, was it the right move... Removing the distraction from the players hopefully outweighs the potential advantage you get from waiting to announce it.


It's not like they are choosing between Brady and Manning.

Exactly, the only benefit would be that the bengals don't practice for a mobile quarterback. But until he proves himself I don' think any teams spends too much effort game planning around that.

Also, since I know Cam is ok I heard this earlier: "Another Cam Newton drive ends in a turnover..."
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 10 2014 14:41 GMT
#4729
FF question, and I need to start two of the following at flex positions:

Boom Herron
Charles Johnson
Michael Floyd
Kerwynn Williams

WDIS?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
December 10 2014 16:11 GMT
#4730
On December 09 2014 14:59 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 14:46 andrewlt wrote:
On December 09 2014 12:14 cLutZ wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:17 andrewlt wrote:
On December 09 2014 07:45 cLutZ wrote:
On December 09 2014 07:08 andrewlt wrote:
Is it just me or are we seeing a lot of teams with decent defenses being held back by truly abysmal or just plain inconsistent offenses this year? Cardinals, 49ers, Browns, Rams, Bills, Bengals, Lions.

In recent years, I'm more used to seeing playoff contenders sink because of defensive issues. This year, it feels like a lot of playoff contenders have good defenses but are being held back by qb issues.


Just speculation, but it might be that the QB friendly rules raise the "floor" so that even mostly incompetent QBs can be carried by a good defense and decent offensive weapons. Much like how Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers dragged their teams into the playoffs in the past 5 seasons (some less so now, Like Brady has a legit defense) only to be held back by the crappy D.


I'm not talking about incompetent QBs somehow scoring though. Even with the QB friendly rules, for example, Hoyer and Kaepernick put in truly miserable performances yesterday. Also, the supposedly high-powered Eagles offense got helped by a lot of DST scoring.

edit: Looks like the Packers are passing their test against another first place team. haha


Indeed, but you are misunderstanding how the new system works: Even if you are terrible at QB you can usually look competent, sometimes elite, and only rarely do you show your true colors.

Like, your boy Dalton, his fantasy points are 18,14,11,17,18,19,14,-3,21,11,11,26. Sure fantasy points aren't perfect, but they kinda show how you can put out decent performances fairly often, even when you are bad.


I admit it was a stretch to include the Bengals there. Dalton is a mediocre QB who struggles against the rush but is decent when given protection. That's more mediocre than bad.

Kaep has regressed mightily this year. Stafford has had a terrible stretch. I don't think the QB friendly rules are helping them as they are playing much worse than in years past. Stafford is being carried by a vastly improved defense. 49ers are mostly winning only low scoring games. They're just not looking competent in the vast majority of games.


The reason I would shrug off other explanations is because 5/6 the teams you listed dont have QBs on cheap or Rookie deals (or they have an injured QB who is paid well), so its not like those teams are saving huge cash on the QB position Seahawks-Style.


True, but the Niners have (on paper at least) a nice collection of skill players on offense. They absolutely should be doing better.

Also Cam has two transverse fractures in his back. It's pretty much the same thing that Romo had.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 10 2014 16:54 GMT
#4731
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000441615/article/geno-smith-says-hes-shown-pro-bowl-caliber-flashes

Geno going full Jest
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 16:57:06
December 10 2014 16:56 GMT
#4732
lol first line from that article...
The Jets' quarterback situation has been comical for nearly a decade now, which is why hearing things like this from Geno Smith don't cause much of a stir anymore.

Intentional colloquialism or poor editing staff? You decide!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
December 10 2014 17:02 GMT
#4733
It's always fun imagining if a lackluster qb like him would actually be good somewhere that wasn't known as a place where talent goes to die

It just occurred to me that the last time the Jets had a legit good qb was either Pennington or Testaverde. Yeesh.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 10 2014 17:05 GMT
#4734
On December 10 2014 23:41 AgentW wrote:
FF question, and I need to start two of the following at flex positions:

Boom Herron
Charles Johnson
Michael Floyd
Kerwynn Williams

WDIS?

Probably Boom in both PPR and Standard.

Johnson and Bridgewater have a rough match up.

Floyd is still ridiculously boom/bust (except without many booms)

AZ RB situation is too volatile. Yeah, Indy is RBBC too but at least Boom and Trent have defined roles. Grice ran well, then Williams ran well. We don't know who Arians will go to and the offense is a mess anyways, plus Stepfan Taylor is there to vulture at the goal line.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 10 2014 17:06 GMT
#4735
I kind of want Sanchez to randomly go full Manning and get the Eagles starting job. Then i want Geno to be released, end up in some AFC team, magically become really good in one offseason. Then i want both of them to play each other in the Super Bowl next year.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
December 10 2014 17:11 GMT
#4736
I can't figure out geno. His statement is obviously a tad hyperbolic, but he does occasionally show some nice flashes (perfect example: the gorgeous td throw he had earlier this year that got taken back because that idiot benchwarmer called a TO). for every one of those, there's so many bad decisions. I just can't tell if he's forced into those bad decisions because Rex Ryan is physically incapable of getting an ocoord who can put his qb in a spot to succeed, or if Geno is just bad.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 10 2014 17:18 GMT
#4737
On December 11 2014 02:05 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 23:41 AgentW wrote:
FF question, and I need to start two of the following at flex positions:

Boom Herron
Charles Johnson
Michael Floyd
Kerwynn Williams

WDIS?

Probably Boom in both PPR and Standard.

Johnson and Bridgewater have a rough match up.

Floyd is still ridiculously boom/bust (except without many booms)

AZ RB situation is too volatile. Yeah, Indy is RBBC too but at least Boom and Trent have defined roles. Grice ran well, then Williams ran well. We don't know who Arians will go to and the offense is a mess anyways, plus Stepfan Taylor is there to vulture at the goal line.

Thanks. I generally have an idea of my answer before I ask for advice and I agree with you. Herron's the easy choice, then it gets murky. I like Johnson just because I feel that he's lower variance than the other two guys. I'm avoiding the Cardinals.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
December 10 2014 19:19 GMT
#4738
I was up 55 points with my opponent having Rodgers and Julio to play. I was scared...and yep now I'm out. It was a good year guys T_T

+ Show Spoiler +
jk this year was the worst. Lost AP, who was literally a quarter of my budget in my auction draft
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 12 2014 03:43 GMT
#4739
A team quarterbacked by Ryan Lindley could very well be the number 1 seed in the NFC. Whoa.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-12 04:26:57
December 12 2014 04:25 GMT
#4740
I can't remember the last time I saw a game where every score was a field goal.
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