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On October 09 2013 18:12 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 17:30 WillyWanker wrote:The real disgrace is the FIFA imo... We already knew that Qatar was a terrible country (pretty much the same as with the Olympic Games in Beijing), but they still gave them the World Cup... Let's do terrible things, not respect human rights and be rewarded with big marketing events that will promote our country so we can earn even more money so we can do things even worse because we become more powerful... While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think the World Cup is going to bring Qatar much money. In fact, like many other middle eastern projects, it may just been a huge money sink instead.
True but when the FIFA decides which country should host the WC, they also take into account that this country could benefit from the organization of such event. They decided that Qatar was worthy of this "development boost", and that's what is the most disgusting...
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FIFA is rotten to the core and corrupt as fuck to put it mildly. It's a disgrace the WC ended in Qatar. Not that i'm against Qatar or anything but it's basically the whole situation and the way FIFA has worked in general the last many years. There's some problems that goes deep in the organization of FIFA and same with the people of it.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah FIFA doing what the Olympic committee do and try to "make the hosts leave a legacy". How fuck Qatar going to get a legacy of football ;_;
It is a strict islam rule country, no way would it attract big players and get a decent league going.
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On October 09 2013 18:15 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 17:29 sharkie wrote:On October 09 2013 17:08 3point14 wrote:i wouldnt call that slavery; more like abusive and ignorant business practises. he got a good salary (I suppose) and was free to leave any time. real slaves dont have that. they are in a hopeless situation but have no alternative. heres a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slaverythere might be real slaves in Qatar too. After 90 days without pay, according to the regulations of the International Federation, a player is free to break his contract. But Abdeslam’s troubles had not ended for all that. When FIFA passed on his request to the Federation, which then passed it on to the club, while the player was trying by every means to open the doors of dialogue with his club, while he had not received the smallest amount of money since returning to the club, it was a phone call that left him as groggy as a boxer in his corner after escaping a knock out. ‘To work in Qatar, it is necessary to be sponsored by a Qatari. I was sponsored by a member of my first club, Lekhwiya. It was that person, obviously, who called to tell me I would get my exit visa on one condition only: that I withdraw my complaint to FIFA!’ No pay - check Unable to leave - check what else is required? thats not really slavery dude, its just corruption and it happens everyyyywhere not called the EU and North America for the most part. Arab busineses have a pretty scummy culture in general but this guy just got shafted because he got stuck in a bad deal where he got strong armed. Everyone who knows anything about visiting arab countries and working there should have a pretty good idea of what a bitch it is to have some sort of legal status if you arent an arab. One of my best friends dad ran their entire ministry of interior dev program (no one enters or leaves the country without him knowing about it) and after 40 years the day he retired he was told to get out, coz not arab. But really I wouldnt sit on my high horse without an understanding of the culture and mod op .. your dealing with read an ...article on a rando website and then cry slavery. That would be a dis service to people who actually do suffer from it. And I can find you plenty of cases of those.. Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:12 Ysellian wrote:On October 09 2013 17:30 WillyWanker wrote:The real disgrace is the FIFA imo... We already knew that Qatar was a terrible country (pretty much the same as with the Olympic Games in Beijing), but they still gave them the World Cup... Let's do terrible things, not respect human rights and be rewarded with big marketing events that will promote our country so we can earn even more money so we can do things even worse because we become more powerful... While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think the World Cup is going to bring Qatar much money. In fact, like many other middle eastern projects, it may just been a huge money sink instead. This, if the arabs have money its because the world is giving to them, its that simple. They dont actually generate any value as a country for the most part. They just recycle petrodollars.
Huhhh? Pretty sure south korea and japan pay their players and allow them to leave anytime
How is this corruption and not slavery? Please explain it to me
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On October 09 2013 20:22 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 18:15 Rebs wrote:On October 09 2013 17:29 sharkie wrote:On October 09 2013 17:08 3point14 wrote:i wouldnt call that slavery; more like abusive and ignorant business practises. he got a good salary (I suppose) and was free to leave any time. real slaves dont have that. they are in a hopeless situation but have no alternative. heres a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slaverythere might be real slaves in Qatar too. After 90 days without pay, according to the regulations of the International Federation, a player is free to break his contract. But Abdeslam’s troubles had not ended for all that. When FIFA passed on his request to the Federation, which then passed it on to the club, while the player was trying by every means to open the doors of dialogue with his club, while he had not received the smallest amount of money since returning to the club, it was a phone call that left him as groggy as a boxer in his corner after escaping a knock out. ‘To work in Qatar, it is necessary to be sponsored by a Qatari. I was sponsored by a member of my first club, Lekhwiya. It was that person, obviously, who called to tell me I would get my exit visa on one condition only: that I withdraw my complaint to FIFA!’ No pay - check Unable to leave - check what else is required? thats not really slavery dude, its just corruption and it happens everyyyywhere not called the EU and North America for the most part. Arab busineses have a pretty scummy culture in general but this guy just got shafted because he got stuck in a bad deal where he got strong armed. Everyone who knows anything about visiting arab countries and working there should have a pretty good idea of what a bitch it is to have some sort of legal status if you arent an arab. One of my best friends dad ran their entire ministry of interior dev program (no one enters or leaves the country without him knowing about it) and after 40 years the day he retired he was told to get out, coz not arab. But really I wouldnt sit on my high horse without an understanding of the culture and mod op .. your dealing with read an ...article on a rando website and then cry slavery. That would be a dis service to people who actually do suffer from it. And I can find you plenty of cases of those.. On October 09 2013 18:12 Ysellian wrote:On October 09 2013 17:30 WillyWanker wrote:The real disgrace is the FIFA imo... We already knew that Qatar was a terrible country (pretty much the same as with the Olympic Games in Beijing), but they still gave them the World Cup... Let's do terrible things, not respect human rights and be rewarded with big marketing events that will promote our country so we can earn even more money so we can do things even worse because we become more powerful... While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think the World Cup is going to bring Qatar much money. In fact, like many other middle eastern projects, it may just been a huge money sink instead. This, if the arabs have money its because the world is giving to them, its that simple. They dont actually generate any value as a country for the most part. They just recycle petrodollars. Huhhh? Pretty sure south korea and japan pay their players and allow them to leave anytime How is this corruption and not slavery? Please explain it to me
They werent forcing him to play now were they ? They were just withholding papers so he would be miserable should he want to leave.
I dont even see why this warrants a discussion someone actually gave you a link explaining what it is. Im assuming you just completely ignored it.
And please dont nitpick its pretty pathetic. We all know Japan and Korea pay their players I was being lazy in generalizing, didnt think it would matter much..
Even china pays its players, Malaysia pays its players to, even fucking Qatar pays its players so this one having an issue doesnt mean its the whole world, it has nothing absolutely nothing to do with them wanting to make him a "slave" in anyway.
They didnt want him and they bullied him, thats that. It happens all the time ..
there is plenty of shafting of this nature going on in less developed asian countries and or princely states. This one seems to have broken because somoene has an axe to grind against Qatar hosting the world cup. Which doesnt absolve them of wrongdoing but its not for gods sake slavery.
Anyway my point is making statements like that and offering a link that has nothing to do with slavery is really silly and may misguide people into thinkings things that arent necessarily true.
There are plenty of phillipino workers in the emirates who have been suffering for what is now decades. But the plight of one relatively cushy footballer is slavery.
Tomorrow there will be assholes breaking stories about Brazils worldcup prep and how prostitutes are being used to keep workers motivated or some stupid shit like that. And thats probably because one random contractor will use a hoe to get his guys working faster.+ Show Spoiler +(obviously this is hypothetical, but you get the point so no offense is intended here its just an analogy.)
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Well I take back what I said about Australia.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Love the way England are in that....we might not even make it rofl xD
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Mexico fans are either cocky or want to go cheer on the USA! 
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On October 10 2013 17:24 Pandemona wrote:
Love the way England are in that....we might not even make it rofl xD
It's close but you guys got your last two games at home and Ukraine isn't going to have an easy time against Poland. .
On October 10 2013 17:33 Ferrose wrote:Mexico fans are either cocky or want to go cheer on the USA!
Beat Panama -> Beat New Zealand -> Qualify for WC.
Doesn't seem that hard IMO
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Haha it could be, but in all honesty I think England is just going to finish top.
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Really excited about the Korea vs Brazil friendly coming up on Oct. 12. I want to see how our young CBs will do against the trickery and pace of the brazil side, especially this kid Kim Young-Gwon. He's been playing in the chinese league, which i admittedly never watch, but hell Lippi apparently really likes him.
http://wildeastfootball.net/2013/06/lippi-kim-young-gwon-could-play-for-manchester-united/
The other CB, hong jeong ho, was the much hotter prospect, but just went through a 1.5 year injury. Still, he got picked up by augsburg and made a decent debut.
Our midfield might not be on brazil's level, but it's not too far behind. We have players like ki sung yong, kim bo kyung, koo ja cheol, lee chung yong, and son heung min, who are all starters for clubs in europe, and with the exception of lee, all of those clubs are in first division(epl, bundesliga).
Might try a false nine as a forward since none of our pure strikers are on form, and we might need to use a false nine against stronger sides in 2014.
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On October 10 2013 22:47 Tazza wrote:
The other CB, hong jeong ho, was the much hotter prospect, but just went through a 1.5 year injury. Still, he got picked up by augsburg and made a decent debut.
Augsburg coach Weinzierl said that he was very happy with Hong's contribution, and that he took responsibility. Jan-Ingwer Callsen-Bracker said that they gelled well (in central defence), even though Hong speaks neither German nor English.
Not bad for his first Bundesliga match.
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I swear every international break seems about 10 months long T_T
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah but atleast this international break is important XD
Finishing of the group games in Europe and then we will know play off games for next month international break. That is the annoying one though as even if your not in a qualification game they will still make boring friendlies out of it ;_;
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The international break could be one week longer, so that some of Dortmunds players will be back from injury.
Atm injured:
- Gündogan, Kehl, Bender, Sahin (complete defensive midfield, yay!)
- Schmelzer, Piszczek (LB and RB, Piszczek won't be back before next year)
- Reus, Hofmann (attacking midfield both)
- Sokratis (CB)
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Austria24420 Posts
Things are working out perfectly for Austria's team. Ibrahimovic in great form, Germany's side massively weakened due to injuries. Let's hope we beat Sweden tomorrow to seal second place and get it over with... as long as the Faroe Islands don't interfere again
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On October 11 2013 00:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Things are working out perfectly for Austria's team. Ibrahimovic in great form, Germany's side massively weakened due to injuries. Let's hope we beat Sweden tomorrow to seal second place and get it over with... as long as the Faroe Islands don't interfere again
I could easily see us beat Sweden and then horror against faroe islands...
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Austria24420 Posts
Of course we can beat Sweden, we beat them last time!
...and of course we could lose to the Faroe Islands, we've done that before as well.
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On October 10 2013 17:35 Pandemona wrote:Of course, but it's England. Even at home we make a mess of things xD On paper there should be no way in hell we will lose the next 2 games, should be comfortable 3-0 3-0 wins, but it wont be Sturridge's form upfront and our midfielders form it should be easy pickings vs Montenegro and Poland, but im sure all the players will bottle it And we have no idea what will happen xD
With Stevie at the helm this will be no problem at all.
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