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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
July 05 2013 18:41 GMT
#2841
for any french speakers:
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/36622/events/2231124
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32154 Posts
July 05 2013 18:41 GMT
#2842
usually by this time each year, the rangers have made a handful of awful deals. slats must have dropped his cigar on his checkbook or something
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EiBmoZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada235 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 18:48:36
July 05 2013 18:45 GMT
#2843
detroit signs weiss for $4.9mil
wtf did they sign alfredson?? that move made my head hurt
an i still want brunner back damnit
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32154 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 18:46:15
July 05 2013 18:45 GMT
#2844
also, it just occoured to me that stephen weiss was an fa. That means that the leafs thought that Bozak was better than him. And Filpulla too! The latter, I could see not wanting to bite because he wanted 6m or osmething, but shit man.

agreed. alfie has slowed down so much. detroit's top 6 is fucking old.
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 18:49:16
July 05 2013 18:46 GMT
#2845
On July 06 2013 03:34 QuanticHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 03:22 Blisse wrote:
On July 06 2013 03:17 QuanticHawk wrote:
On July 06 2013 03:09 Blisse wrote:
On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased


? Vinny was always the #1 on that list?

bozak/jvr/kessel seem ok
kadri/lupul/clarkson
mcclement/kulemin/bolland
orr/mclaren/?

Slot bolland/clarkson in during preseason.

Biggest part about Bozak was he just took every single faceoff, and Bozak and the Leafs knew that. So if you dump Bozak, you have a 40% fo win rate, and if you sign him, you have to sign him knowing you'll overpay for his faceoff ability.

We needed Kadri to step up in the 2c role, but he goes like 1/15 in the faceoff circles or something shitty like that. Sucks, but inevitable unless we stole a legitimate 1c.

Even a 60% faceoff guy isnt worth 4.5m after he either led the team or was top 3 in forward toi for the past three years, and never finished higher than fourth in scoring overall. he was outscored by a defensemen this year, and he rode shotgun to kessel and dudes like jvr or lupul all season.

it is insane, no matter how you cut it

you dont magically go to a 40% win rate. let bozak walk, retain grabs since youre basically paying the same amount of money anyway and then you dont blow a compliance buyout. a 2 percent differenc in faceoff wins, esp on the first line where youre starting in the offensive zone more often than not, is not justification to grossly overpay for a player who is a third liner virtually anywhere i nthe league at best


You don't go to a magical 40% win rate, you go to 30% because bozak was only ever 50-55%, and no one on the team was close. The problem was he took every single flipping faceoff. Defensive zone. Offensive zone. Penalty kill. Power play. And he's the only guy that actually won anything. We have zero faceoff talent, and no other centers to replace him. His pay makes sense for a team that really needs a center. without grabo you free up some room for clarkson. I prefer grabo but clarkson's decent as well and grabo hasn't produced the last 2 years.

Bozak is shitty and he can't play offense, but the leafs have zero option to drop him unless they signed like, vinny or ribeiro.

We dropped a really good FO guy last year (forgot name) because again, all he did was take FO cause we had no one else who could do that.


Steckel.

I thought Bolland was a good draw man, but apparently hed be the worst o nthe team hahaha.

usage charts show that grabs was eating a ridiculous amount of defensive draws. not that hes a bad draw man, but that is the one thing bozak does better, but they used him on offense more. all their forwards started in their own end more than offense because the team was so bad at driving possession (which is intersting bc they were a top 10 forward group as far as goals--go figure)

no matter how you cut it, keeping grabs and letting him walk made more sense. grabs used to be a 600 draw a seaosn guy for them until carylyle popped a boner for him


Steckel!

Yeah I agree, it was one or the other. But Bozak has shown he can produce under Carlyle's system and Grabovski clearly revealed he didn't, so while Bozak is a much shittier offensive player he still fits in with the team more, esp. with the face offs.

We have a ridiculously good offensive rush because of Kessel's speed scaring defenders, Kadri's learning how to play in the NHL, Lupul is bloody random, JVR is tall and can crash the net, and we've developed a really nice forecheck (obv not to the level of Boston, but it's starting to look really nice). Also, teams are/were scared of Komarov/Orr, and Gardiner/Kadri are only going to get much better as time goes on. We just have no ability to win faceoffs, which is why Bozak can command such a ridiculous play despite having no offensive talent (except he seems to be the only guy on our team who can score in the shootout).



On July 06 2013 03:30 JimmiC wrote:

Yes so Derp, where do you think Tor is going to finish esspecially with Det in the East now? TB Car Phi all going to be much better this year. I would happily wager that Tor finishes 7th or wosre.

The second comment was clearly tounge and cheek. I don't actually think TSN changes there ranking based on where people Sign. I do think that non leafs fans don't realize how much coverage the Leafs get compared to the other canadian teams, esspecially when from a winning cups prospective they havn't been relevent in forever.

Yes the media is harsh but not this time of the year. This is when they build up the leafs as a real contender. It takes till the actual game start for the harshness to begin.


Not sure what your point is when a huge number of fans really like Toronto, so obviously a bit biased in that direction, plus being a Toronto based company doens't hurt I guess. It's not really about how much of a contender they are, but we're getting to the point where we can contend for PO spots, and they actually can beat any team when they play their system (which is kinda true even with the boston brain fart). It isn't like STL where they just have a really solid forwards but no ability to ever score on someone like Quick.


All that said, Clarkson will be bought out in 2-3 years if he doesn't produce exceedingly well, which is possible. Bozak will be bought out if we ever sign a couple players who can take faceoffs just as well before the contract is up.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 05 2013 18:47 GMT
#2846
On July 06 2013 03:45 QuanticHawk wrote:
also, it just occoured to me that stephen weiss was an fa. That means that the leafs thought that Bozak was better than him. And Filpulla too! The latter, I could see not wanting to bite because he wanted 6m or osmething, but shit man.

agreed. alfie has slowed down so much. detroit's top 6 is fucking old.


They've always been pretty frigging old. >_<
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8917 Posts
July 05 2013 18:48 GMT
#2847
On another note, the Ference signing is WTF - even on the Oilers' shitty defense he's barely bottom pairing or just a depth, 7-8 guy. I guess he can retire in his hometown.

But Boyd (Flash) Gordon and Labarbera are certainly useful signings. And so far they've managed not to give up anything that would cause my sphincter to rupture. I will miss Horcoff, but Gordon helps fill that whole. Still, if the Oilers wish to balance the team at all, they still require a decent top-pairing defenseman and another center. I'd rather see that accomplished via trade than overpaying on FAs. Also, don't fucking trade Paajarvi you assholes.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 05 2013 19:04 GMT
#2848
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 05 2013 19:10 GMT
#2849
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 05 2013 19:16 GMT
#2850
On July 06 2013 04:04 JimmiC wrote:
StarStuck: My friggin point is you call it Derp so u do care or you would ignore it. Second point is, predicting is more art then science but you should have some idea of your teams performance before you sign contracts. Case in point Kessel trade then signage from Boston. It would have been a good deal if they were a playoff team. Because they finished in bottom 5 it was a awful deal. Same thing with these signings its like they think they are one player away from the cup, when they may miss the playoffs.

You don't squeeze yourself up against the cap wall unless you can legitimitly win the cup. Do you really think Toronto is there? Of course you don't look at your other posts.

The best thing you said was Tor has stupid money available. And look they spent it stupidly!


No it's derp because you have no merit and you come off as a dumbass. That's the point. You call out the media outlets yet you don't even call out the right one!?!?! You know who did call Mr. Clarkson the number one guy as a FA? It was Sportsnet you derp! Who do you think owns Sportsnet? Who do you think owns TSN? Where do you think they're located? Dare I continue? You state things as if they're fact when all your doing is firing blank bullets. You came off as an idiot and I called you out on it. Simple. You need to be slapped around with frozen tuna.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 05 2013 19:21 GMT
#2851
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 05 2013 19:26 GMT
#2852
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 05 2013 19:28 GMT
#2853
Who's the smartass who made these comments?

On July 06 2013 02:58 JimmiC wrote:
I love what the leafs did because they are one of my least favorite teams based on the incredible hype and coverage they get. Great Job on becomeing right near the cap 10th-7th place team!

On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased


Need I say more. I called out your stupidity now own up to it. If you're going to call out a network at least call out the right one and continue being an ass clown because I take great pride in cutting people like you down to size.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
July 05 2013 19:29 GMT
#2854
apparently ottawa just traded for b. ryan..
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 05 2013 19:32 GMT
#2855
On July 06 2013 04:21 JimmiC wrote:
LOL, I disagree, I think you are the one comming off like a idiot, by totally over reating to a joke. Secondly comming all agressive on the internet also makes it look like you are totally over compensation for something, I have a few guess's on what.
Considering your self an expert and typing in players nickname instead of names doens't make you one. I havn't read all your posts but the one's I have read havn't impressed me. It's not like you are providing insight. You're baically agreeing that Tor over paid and then mad that I say they shouldn't LOL


??? I was clearly talking about the media outlets. Not the stupid contract. Your beef with them is irrational and heck, you called out the wrong outlet bucko. Own up to it. I don't care about the other shit. You can call them the Maple Luffs for all I care.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
July 05 2013 19:32 GMT
#2856
Silverberg, Noesen and a 1st -_-, mtl is so fucked rofl. everyone in our division is stacking up so hard
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 19:35:12
July 05 2013 19:33 GMT
#2857
On July 06 2013 04:32 TT1 wrote:
Silverberg, Noesen and a 1st -_-, mtl is so fucked rofl. everyone in our division is stacking up so hard


Join the club. T_T

Valtteri Filppula to Lightning for 5-year $25 million contract. Eek, these guys aren't even studs shit.
EiBmoZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada235 Posts
July 05 2013 19:35 GMT
#2858
good trade for ottawa
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-05 19:39:29
July 05 2013 19:38 GMT
#2859
So it looks like the biggest losers in the whole lockout were the people who work concessions and all that jazz again. Let's keep those lockouts coming boys. $150 million is pretty nice pocket change. Show me the money Sir Scoots! Show me the money!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 05 2013 19:38 GMT
#2860
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