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On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased
? Vinny was always the #1 on that list?
bozak/jvr/kessel seem ok
kadri/lupul/clarkson
mcclement/kulemin/bolland
orr/mclaren/?
Slot bolland/clarkson in during preseason. Not sure who takes draws, bolland/mcclement/kadri. Maybe Kadri's better on the wings, jvr goes to 3rd line and clarkson with kessel. Hard to say.
Biggest part about Bozak was he just took every single faceoff, and Bozak and the Leafs knew that. So if you dump Bozak, you have a 40% fo win rate, and if you sign him, you have to sign him knowing you'll overpay for his faceoff ability.
We needed Kadri to step up during the 2c role so he could be 1c, but he goes like 1/15 in the faceoff circles or something shitty like that. Sucks, but this was inevitable unless we stole a legitimate 1c. Clarkson will do fine, we had a lot of cap space this year, but next year is going to be a bitch when Kessel wants a higher contract.
Without Clarkson we didn't have the depth on the wings so I think it was a reaction to losing MacArthur that we overpaid to make sure we had something.
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i just hope montreal signs fistric and lapierre, we really need someone to replace emelin until december
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On July 06 2013 02:57 TT1 wrote:
clarkson is getting RIDICULOUSLY overpaid but bozak is getting like 4.2M(5 years), thats fine for a 2nd line center imo
i wouldnt have paid a penny more than 4.5M(3 years) for clarkson
also rofl @ tsn for having him as their no1 free agent
4.2 is meh... but it's way better than paying him a stupid 5.. and I knew we were getting fucking Clarkson and look at that stupid contract. *sigh* All those f's get overpaid when they hit free agency for God's sake.
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On July 06 2013 02:58 JimmiC wrote:
I love what the leafs did because they are one of my least favorite teams based on the incredible hype and coverage they get. Great Job on becomeing right near the cap 10th-7th place team!
That clearly shows when you make derp comments like this.
On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased
Do you even check TSN let alone their webpage before making such ridiculous comments? My God man. I don't think you know the Toronto media that well, but they're pretty harsh on the Leafs. Not everything is roses and strawberry ice cream in these parts.
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Man those are some awful moves by TOR. Clarkson is a 2nd line winger at the absolute best, but is realistically a decent 3rd liner. That deal makes no sense. Edit: Clarkson is also 29 already oh dear god. Bozak is serviceable, but as Pronman points out, they lost really good possession guys when they absolutely needed to keep them.
Also the Clowe deal, wtf? There have been some pretty awful contracts handed out so far.
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On July 06 2013 03:09 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased ? Vinny was always the #1 on that list? bozak/jvr/kessel seem ok kadri/lupul/clarkson mcclement/kulemin/bolland orr/mclaren/? Slot bolland/clarkson in during preseason. Biggest part about Bozak was he just took every single faceoff, and Bozak and the Leafs knew that. So if you dump Bozak, you have a 40% fo win rate, and if you sign him, you have to sign him knowing you'll overpay for his faceoff ability. We needed Kadri to step up in the 2c role, but he goes like 1/15 in the faceoff circles or something shitty like that. Sucks, but inevitable unless we stole a legitimate 1c.
Even a 60% faceoff guy isnt worth 4.5m after he either led the team or was top 3 in forward toi for the past three years, and never finished higher than fourth in scoring overall. he was outscored by a defensemen this year, and he rode shotgun to kessel and dudes like jvr or lupul all season.
it is insane, no matter how you cut it
you dont magically go to a 40% win rate. let bozak walk, retain grabs since youre basically paying the same amount of money anyway and then you dont blow a compliance buyout. a 2 percent differenc in faceoff wins, esp on the first line where youre starting in the offensive zone more often than not, is not justification to grossly overpay for a player who is a third liner virtually anywhere i nthe league at best
the only positive about the bozak deal is that it is no where near the level of stupidity that is that clarkson contract. good lord. seven years for a dude who hit 30g once. His entire MO is forecheck hard, go to front of the net. He has a nose for what to do in front and on the forecheck, but everything else is average at best. He is a chippy player, fights, puts in goals. A guy like that is extremely useful, but you do not pay that. Bozak or Clowe would be the worst by far if not for the Clarkson deal
it's just baffling. Tor looked like a team that could be a perennial contender with a good offseason or two, and these moves just kneecapped the fuck out of them for no reason. Clarkson is not a puck mover at all. Bozak does not drive offense in any way. All this does it put even more pressure on dudes like Kessel, JVR and Lupul.
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Hockey Buzz Eklund @Eklund 2h
Hearing the Habs may be calling about Bobby Ryan
eklund tho :S
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Clarkson is $5.25 million, not $6 million. Still pretty ridiculous for a guy who's hit 40 points once in his career.
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jeremy filosa @j_filosa 55s
#HABS and #FLYERS trying to make a multi-player deal. Talbot would be going to Montreal in this trade. #nhlfreeagency2013
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yeah hockey buzz is awful, dreger's good, mirtles good, etc. i loathe to even just hear eklund mentioned
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On July 06 2013 03:17 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 03:09 Blisse wrote:On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased ? Vinny was always the #1 on that list? bozak/jvr/kessel seem ok kadri/lupul/clarkson mcclement/kulemin/bolland orr/mclaren/? Slot bolland/clarkson in during preseason. Biggest part about Bozak was he just took every single faceoff, and Bozak and the Leafs knew that. So if you dump Bozak, you have a 40% fo win rate, and if you sign him, you have to sign him knowing you'll overpay for his faceoff ability. We needed Kadri to step up in the 2c role, but he goes like 1/15 in the faceoff circles or something shitty like that. Sucks, but inevitable unless we stole a legitimate 1c. Even a 60% faceoff guy isnt worth 4.5m after he either led the team or was top 3 in forward toi for the past three years, and never finished higher than fourth in scoring overall. he was outscored by a defensemen this year, and he rode shotgun to kessel and dudes like jvr or lupul all season. it is insane, no matter how you cut it you dont magically go to a 40% win rate. let bozak walk, retain grabs since youre basically paying the same amount of money anyway and then you dont blow a compliance buyout. a 2 percent differenc in faceoff wins, esp on the first line where youre starting in the offensive zone more often than not, is not justification to grossly overpay for a player who is a third liner virtually anywhere i nthe league at best
You don't go to a magical 40% win rate, you go to 30% because bozak was only ever 50-55%, and no one on the team was close. The problem was he took every single flipping faceoff. Defensive zone. Offensive zone. Penalty kill. Power play. And he's the only guy that actually won anything. We have zero faceoff talent, and no other centers to replace him. His pay makes sense for a team that really needs a center. without grabo you free up some room for clarkson. I prefer grabo but clarkson's decent as well and grabo hasn't produced the last 2 years.
Bozak is shitty and he can't play offense, but the leafs have zero option to drop him unless they signed like, vinny or ribeiro.
We dropped a really good FO guy last year (forgot name) because again, all he did was take FO cause we had no one else who could do that.
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On July 06 2013 03:14 sharkeyanti wrote:
Man those are some awful moves by TOR. Clarkson is a 2nd line winger at the absolute best, but is realistically a decent 3rd liner. That deal makes no sense. Edit: Clarkson is also 29 already oh dear god. Bozak is serviceable, but as Pronman points out, they lost really good possession guys when they absolutely needed to keep them.
Also the Clowe deal, wtf? There have been some pretty awful contracts handed out so far.
Possession guys? Not under Randy's regime. Our puck possession game was close to non-existent a few months before the playoffs even started. Stupid contracts to the rescue again. Fans are going to be all over Clarkson if he doesn't produce and fast.
Yeah, Blisse we don't have a lot of guys who can win faceoffs lmao and it's pretty sad. :/ God damnit.
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On July 06 2013 03:22 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 03:17 QuanticHawk wrote:On July 06 2013 03:09 Blisse wrote:On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased ? Vinny was always the #1 on that list? bozak/jvr/kessel seem ok kadri/lupul/clarkson mcclement/kulemin/bolland orr/mclaren/? Slot bolland/clarkson in during preseason. Biggest part about Bozak was he just took every single faceoff, and Bozak and the Leafs knew that. So if you dump Bozak, you have a 40% fo win rate, and if you sign him, you have to sign him knowing you'll overpay for his faceoff ability. We needed Kadri to step up in the 2c role, but he goes like 1/15 in the faceoff circles or something shitty like that. Sucks, but inevitable unless we stole a legitimate 1c. Even a 60% faceoff guy isnt worth 4.5m after he either led the team or was top 3 in forward toi for the past three years, and never finished higher than fourth in scoring overall. he was outscored by a defensemen this year, and he rode shotgun to kessel and dudes like jvr or lupul all season. it is insane, no matter how you cut it you dont magically go to a 40% win rate. let bozak walk, retain grabs since youre basically paying the same amount of money anyway and then you dont blow a compliance buyout. a 2 percent differenc in faceoff wins, esp on the first line where youre starting in the offensive zone more often than not, is not justification to grossly overpay for a player who is a third liner virtually anywhere i nthe league at best You don't go to a magical 40% win rate, you go to 30% because bozak was only ever 50-55%, and no one on the team was close. The problem was he took every single flipping faceoff. Defensive zone. Offensive zone. Penalty kill. Power play. And he's the only guy that actually won anything. We have zero faceoff talent, and no other centers to replace him. His pay makes sense for a team that really needs a center. without grabo you free up some room for clarkson. I prefer grabo but clarkson's decent as well and grabo hasn't produced the last 2 years. Bozak is shitty and he can't play offense, but the leafs have zero option to drop him unless they signed like, vinny or ribeiro. We dropped a really good FO guy last year (forgot name) because again, all he did was take FO cause we had no one else who could do that.
Steckel.
I thought Bolland was a good draw man, but apparently hed be the worst o nthe team hahaha.
usage charts show that grabs was eating a ridiculous amount of defensive draws. not that hes a bad draw man, but that is the one thing bozak does better, but they used him on offense more. all their forwards started in their own end more than offense because the team was so bad at driving possession (which is intersting bc they were a top 10 forward group as far as goals--go figure)
no matter how you cut it, keeping grabs and letting him walk made more sense. grabs used to be a 600 draw a seaosn guy for them until carylyle popped a boner for him
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On July 06 2013 03:30 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 02:58 JimmiC wrote:
I love what the leafs did because they are one of my least favorite teams based on the incredible hype and coverage they get. Great Job on becomeing right near the cap 10th-7th place team!
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That clearly shows when you make derp comments like this.
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On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased
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Do you even check TSN let alone their webpage before making such ridiculous comments? My God man. I don't think you know the Toronto media that well, but they're pretty harsh on the Leafs. Not everything is roses and strawberry ice cream in these parts. Yes so Derp, where do you think Tor is going to finish esspecially with Det in the East now? TB Car Phi all going to be much better this year. I would happily wager that Tor finishes 7th or wosre. The second comment was clearly tounge and cheek. I don't actually think TSN changes there ranking based on where people Sign. I do think that non leafs fans don't realize how much coverage the Leafs get compared to the other canadian teams, esspecially when from a winning cups prospective they havn't been relevent in forever. Yes the media is harsh but not this time of the year. This is when they build up the leafs as a real contender. It takes till the actual game start for the harshness to begin.
and what's your frigging point? With regards to predicting where they're going to finish. I personally don't care what you think or what other people think in making a prediction when the team hasn't taken to the ice let alone finished locking up their roster. With the Grabs buyout we had a stupid amount of money available and ofc Clarkson and Bozzie were going to wear the blue and white. That's great you can take all the pot shots you want because we do it all the frigging time and as for the news outlet I already spoke at length with regards to that and non Leafs fans are well aware about the media coverage especially when their HQs just so happens to be in Toronto/Markham.
On July 06 2013 03:34 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 03:22 Blisse wrote:On July 06 2013 03:17 QuanticHawk wrote:On July 06 2013 03:09 Blisse wrote:On July 06 2013 02:59 JimmiC wrote:
I'm sure TSN made him there #1 free agent once tor signed him. The Toronto Sports Network is only a little biased ? Vinny was always the #1 on that list? bozak/jvr/kessel seem ok kadri/lupul/clarkson mcclement/kulemin/bolland orr/mclaren/? Slot bolland/clarkson in during preseason. Biggest part about Bozak was he just took every single faceoff, and Bozak and the Leafs knew that. So if you dump Bozak, you have a 40% fo win rate, and if you sign him, you have to sign him knowing you'll overpay for his faceoff ability. We needed Kadri to step up in the 2c role, but he goes like 1/15 in the faceoff circles or something shitty like that. Sucks, but inevitable unless we stole a legitimate 1c. Even a 60% faceoff guy isnt worth 4.5m after he either led the team or was top 3 in forward toi for the past three years, and never finished higher than fourth in scoring overall. he was outscored by a defensemen this year, and he rode shotgun to kessel and dudes like jvr or lupul all season. it is insane, no matter how you cut it you dont magically go to a 40% win rate. let bozak walk, retain grabs since youre basically paying the same amount of money anyway and then you dont blow a compliance buyout. a 2 percent differenc in faceoff wins, esp on the first line where youre starting in the offensive zone more often than not, is not justification to grossly overpay for a player who is a third liner virtually anywhere i nthe league at best You don't go to a magical 40% win rate, you go to 30% because bozak was only ever 50-55%, and no one on the team was close. The problem was he took every single flipping faceoff. Defensive zone. Offensive zone. Penalty kill. Power play. And he's the only guy that actually won anything. We have zero faceoff talent, and no other centers to replace him. His pay makes sense for a team that really needs a center. without grabo you free up some room for clarkson. I prefer grabo but clarkson's decent as well and grabo hasn't produced the last 2 years. Bozak is shitty and he can't play offense, but the leafs have zero option to drop him unless they signed like, vinny or ribeiro. We dropped a really good FO guy last year (forgot name) because again, all he did was take FO cause we had no one else who could do that. Steckel. I thought Bolland was a good draw man, but apparently hed be the worst o nthe team hahaha. usage charts show that grabs was eating a ridiculous amount of defensive draws. not that hes a bad draw man, but that is the one thing bozak does better, but they used him on offense more. all their forwards started in their own end more than offense because the team was so bad at driving possession (which is intersting bc they were a top 10 forward group as far as goals--go figure) no matter how you cut it, keeping grabs and letting him walk made more sense. grabs used to be a 600 draw a seaosn guy for them until carylyle popped a boner for him
Yeah and then they got rid of him as Randy was benching him and several other players lmao. Remember Ron riding his ass on every faceoff as well? Randy did it in the beginning too, shrug.
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INCARCERATED BOB IBN @IBNINCARCERATED 4m
#Habs want a star winger and they have calls out to three teams , they may get one.. story coming up WOW #IBN
ryan, stewart, simmonds for plekanec + i assume? theres also rumors that MTL is interested in coburn + talbot
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On July 06 2013 03:36 TT1 wrote:
INCARCERATED BOB IBN @IBNINCARCERATED 4m
#Habs want a star winger and they have calls out to three teams , they may get one.. story coming up WOW #IBN
ryan, stewart, simmonds for plekanec + i assume? theres also rumors that MTL is interested in coburn + talbot
Yeah, that's the rumor in Pittsburgh. Simmonds would be a very interesting pick-up.
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LOLronto.
Man I love free-agent day. It's like people getting black-out drunk before attending a silent auction.
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clarkson has a limited ntc. Wow.
Nonis makes Burke look sane dude, and I thought Burke did his fair amount of dumb shit but overall was ok
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Dumb, dee-dumb, dumb dumb, dumb, dee-dumb, dumb, dummmmmmb! I cannot wait for us to buy that stupid contract out. I give it two to three years. I'm wondering what the heck we're going to do with Kulemin now. I guess Randy still wants him on the 3rd line huehuehue. My god.
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