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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 29 2013 02:57 GMT
#1541
On June 29 2013 11:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
he looks 20 imo

Vitruvian
Profile Joined September 2011
United States168 Posts
June 29 2013 19:11 GMT
#1542
Gymstories Episode Three: In which our hero loses the ability to speak!

First set of squats, attempting a 5RM PR. I must not have warmed up enough, because I get completely bogged down in my sticking point on my last rep. I'm struggling for a solid four seconds, but still making miniscule upward progress, when a well-intentioned bystander rushes up to help me. I know I can finish on my own, so I try to tell him, "Don't touch me! I got it!" Instead, scarcely believing my ears, I bellow out, "HHRNGBFLGAHHHFLHGBB!!" at the top of my lungs. Cue absolutely dead silence in the weight room.

Lesson learned: speech centers in the brain are getting no blood during a max effort. Therefore, only monosyllabic words should be attempted: in this case, "NO!" probably would have worked out okay.

Workout:
Back squat: 3 sets 5 reps @ 350 (PR)
Bench press: 3 sets 5 reps @ 230
Deadlift: 1 set 5 reps @ 410
Romanian deadlift: 3 sets 5 reps @ 225
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
July 01 2013 02:11 GMT
#1543
Oh it sucks when people try to help you haha. Once I was at my uni's gym doing some squats and on every set this guy would walk up and stand behind me, made me feel less safe.

First week of this program felt good. Still fairly light weights but lots of triples/doubles and heavy squats. Saturday went like this:
Squat 250x3x8
Snatch 135x3x2 145x2x2 150x2
C&J 165x3x2 175x2x2 185x2
Sn high pulls 135x3x3

C&J triples suck so much. The lifts are feeling better though, I'm not leaning forward on the snatch anymore. Can't wait to go for maxes in a few weeks. Vid below.
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http://www.belowtherimyo.blogspot.com/
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 14:23:22
July 01 2013 10:28 GMT
#1544
Cut is going well, can see my 6pack again, but I'll keep at it for another 2-4 weeks and then bulk till spring. Gotten a bit weaker tho which kinda sucks, but it was to be expected.

Saw Mobb Deep (Havoc) on the weekend and it was dope as fuck. Prodigy isn't allowed to travel to Europe, but Havoc totally made up for it. Before that Grandmaster Flash was DJing it up. Best concert I ever been at, even shook Havoc's hand twice, fucking legend.

edit: people in my gym keep telling me I'm overtraining and I'm not sure what to think about it

When I did SS they said that it's too much and now I've been cutting for a couple of weeks and I do a different routine but they still tell me that it's too much. One of them benched 190kg in a meet last week and he said that you'd need to do roids for the shit I'm doing and he only saw me squatting and then deadlifting (before that I did cleans and front squats). Really not sure what to make of it, I guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing for another 2-4 weeks then I'll start eating a shitton again, do SS for one more month and then probably transition to Texas Method.
I dunno, a day without squatting doesn't feel like working out to me. I squat 4 times a week and the powerlifter says I should only squat once a week, but I ain't believe it.
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
July 02 2013 01:12 GMT
#1545
bw: 168

Bench: 45x10, 135x5, 185x5, 205x3, 225x2 work sets: 205x5x5
LBBS: 45x10x2, 135x5, 185x5, 225x3, 275x1, 300x1 work sets: 255x5x5 bonus 225x10

Did my last few sets on low bar squats with my buddy's "Oly" shoes on (actually the Reebok Crossfit Lifters, but whatever), and it felt amazing, to the point where I don't want to squat, press or bench in my chucks or sambas ever again. Bought them on the spot from him.
I deadlift for Aiur
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
July 02 2013 01:26 GMT
#1546
On July 01 2013 19:28 decaf wrote:
Cut is going well, can see my 6pack again, but I'll keep at it for another 2-4 weeks and then bulk till spring. Gotten a bit weaker tho which kinda sucks, but it was to be expected.

Saw Mobb Deep (Havoc) on the weekend and it was dope as fuck. Prodigy isn't allowed to travel to Europe, but Havoc totally made up for it. Before that Grandmaster Flash was DJing it up. Best concert I ever been at, even shook Havoc's hand twice, fucking legend.

edit: people in my gym keep telling me I'm overtraining and I'm not sure what to think about it

When I did SS they said that it's too much and now I've been cutting for a couple of weeks and I do a different routine but they still tell me that it's too much. One of them benched 190kg in a meet last week and he said that you'd need to do roids for the shit I'm doing and he only saw me squatting and then deadlifting (before that I did cleans and front squats). Really not sure what to make of it, I guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing for another 2-4 weeks then I'll start eating a shitton again, do SS for one more month and then probably transition to Texas Method.
I dunno, a day without squatting doesn't feel like working out to me. I squat 4 times a week and the powerlifter says I should only squat once a week, but I ain't believe it.


Someone who's lifting that heavy can't handle max effort lifts as often as someone who's lifting much lighter weights can. Sure, if he went in and did squats 4x/week and deadlifts 2x/week on top of benching, presses, rows, chins, etc, it would be overtraining. For you it's most definitely not. Your loads are just easier to recover from than his are.

That's why intermediate programs become necessary - at a certain point, the load you're taking on will be too much to recover from in one rest day and you'll have to periodize.

TL;DR keep doing what you're doing.
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 10:08:59
July 02 2013 08:46 GMT
#1547
That's exactly what I'm thinking, the only thing I don't understand is why an elite level lifter wouldn't know this. Really makes me wonder how he got there. Thanks for the reassurance.

edit: are you guys aware that klokov has a youtube channel and puts up a LOT of videos? like a couple per day, check it out, it's so amazing
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
July 02 2013 12:34 GMT
#1548
funny week last week

first, I jammed my elbow into my knee while catching a 100 kg clean, and that hurt like a BITCH (but continued with my workout anyway)

two days later (with a throbbing knee), I tripped on the bar while holding a 20 kg plate, and somehow twisted my arm T_T

squat day today (because my arm hurts):
back squat: 120 x 5, 130 x 3, 140 x 1 <- first time backsquatting in like a month lol
front squat: 100 x 5 x 3
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 14:36:54
July 02 2013 14:36 GMT
#1549
On July 02 2013 10:26 phyre112 wrote:
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On July 01 2013 19:28 decaf wrote:
Cut is going well, can see my 6pack again, but I'll keep at it for another 2-4 weeks and then bulk till spring. Gotten a bit weaker tho which kinda sucks, but it was to be expected.

Saw Mobb Deep (Havoc) on the weekend and it was dope as fuck. Prodigy isn't allowed to travel to Europe, but Havoc totally made up for it. Before that Grandmaster Flash was DJing it up. Best concert I ever been at, even shook Havoc's hand twice, fucking legend.

edit: people in my gym keep telling me I'm overtraining and I'm not sure what to think about it

When I did SS they said that it's too much and now I've been cutting for a couple of weeks and I do a different routine but they still tell me that it's too much. One of them benched 190kg in a meet last week and he said that you'd need to do roids for the shit I'm doing and he only saw me squatting and then deadlifting (before that I did cleans and front squats). Really not sure what to make of it, I guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing for another 2-4 weeks then I'll start eating a shitton again, do SS for one more month and then probably transition to Texas Method.
I dunno, a day without squatting doesn't feel like working out to me. I squat 4 times a week and the powerlifter says I should only squat once a week, but I ain't believe it.


Someone who's lifting that heavy can't handle max effort lifts as often as someone who's lifting much lighter weights can. Sure, if he went in and did squats 4x/week and deadlifts 2x/week on top of benching, presses, rows, chins, etc, it would be overtraining. For you it's most definitely not. Your loads are just easier to recover from than his are.

That's why intermediate programs become necessary - at a certain point, the load you're taking on will be too much to recover from in one rest day and you'll have to periodize.

TL;DR keep doing what you're doing.


Honesty if you feel fine keep doing it, keep doing it. I had a cycle where I squatted 5x5 everyday for three weeks without any problems. The last week was with 90% of my 1rm.

by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20074 Posts
July 02 2013 14:54 GMT
#1550
On June 29 2013 11:30 AoN.DimSum wrote:
[image loading]

100kg snatch at 13 years old(62kg bw) LOL WTF


What the christ T_T
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 02 2013 15:51 GMT
#1551
On July 02 2013 17:46 decaf wrote:
That's exactly what I'm thinking, the only thing I don't understand is why an elite level lifter wouldn't know this. Really makes me wonder how he got there. Thanks for the reassurance.

edit: are you guys aware that klokov has a youtube channel and puts up a LOT of videos? like a couple per day, check it out, it's so amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x522dB-4y2w


Cool vid

Its not only begginer vs advanced, its also small vs big. Its known smaller ppl benefit more from higher frequency/intensity than bigger guys cause they lift less actual weight and recover faster. Elite 181 powerlifter can train more than elite 242 for obvious reasons.

Its also if you are going balls out 3 weeks, 8 weeks or 12 weeks.

I think you should be doing more, no less as you progress tbh.
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
July 03 2013 02:00 GMT
#1552
BW: 167

Snatch: 40, 50, 60, 70 (PR lol)
C&J: 40, 60, 80. 80, 80, 90

Power Cleans:
60x5, on the minute, 5rds
70x5, on the minute, 5rds
80x5, on the minute, 5rds

Yep, I still suck at snatch, really bad. I didnt list all the misses bc it would take too much room. Maybe ill just do the bar for an hour tomorrow. CJ is still fun at least.

My buddy who is into crossfit convinced me to do some actual conditioning, even though he knows I don't like it lol, hence the power cleans. Yep, I still hate conditioning.
I deadlift for Aiur
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20074 Posts
July 03 2013 02:58 GMT
#1553
Spent about an hour coaching (getting paid 60$/session, this is awesome!) and then got a quick lift in:
cj 60 80 90 100 110 120 130 135 140 145x 145
snatch 70 90 100 110 120

Not bad for raging the last 4 days!
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
BigAsia
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada451 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 23:04:26
July 03 2013 22:50 GMT
#1554
trying to loose some body fat, the hardest part is the diet. god damnit

edit: picture below. im at like 12% bf wanna get below 10%

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YOLO
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20074 Posts
July 04 2013 00:52 GMT
#1555
FS 60 100 140 160 170 170 175x
Sn 50 70 90 100 110 112 114 116 118 120x 120 122x
CJ 70 100 120 130 135 140 145 150 155 160x 160x (pinned by both T_T )
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 04 2013 01:10 GMT
#1556
wow big money! 60/hr hahaha
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
July 04 2013 01:42 GMT
#1557
BW: 167

OHP: 45x10x2, 95x5, 135x5 work sets 145x5x3
Squats: 45x10, 135x5, 185x5, 5-sec pause 225x3x3 Bonus: 225x11
I deadlift for Aiur
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
July 04 2013 01:56 GMT
#1558
Today:

squat 250x5x5
hang clean 155x3 165x3 175x3 185x3x2
halting clean dl 205x3x2 215x3x2
SLDL 200x5x3

Also, my friend finally gave me the key to the gym. WHAT. I could train at 2am on a sunday if I wanted to.
http://www.belowtherimyo.blogspot.com/
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
July 04 2013 11:38 GMT
#1559
Does anyone in here have experience with bulking/cutting cycles?

I heard some good but very vague things about it, curious if anyone has some personal experience he could share. The way I've been doing it up until now is (clean) bulk for like 9 months or so and now cut for a month, but maybe bulking and cutting in a 3week to 1week ratio is better? Or whatever ratio works well for that matter.
Meant to just clean bulk till spring, but if there's a better way why not try it out. I think the caloric difference between the bulk and the cut cycle is quite big tho, for me it would be something like bulking on 3800calories for x weeks and then cut on 1800 calories for y weeks.
kaluro
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands760 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-04 16:52:51
July 04 2013 16:49 GMT
#1560
On July 04 2013 20:38 decaf wrote:
Does anyone in here have experience with bulking/cutting cycles?

I heard some good but very vague things about it, curious if anyone has some personal experience he could share. The way I've been doing it up until now is (clean) bulk for like 9 months or so and now cut for a month, but maybe bulking and cutting in a 3week to 1week ratio is better? Or whatever ratio works well for that matter.
Meant to just clean bulk till spring, but if there's a better way why not try it out. I think the caloric difference between the bulk and the cut cycle is quite big tho, for me it would be something like bulking on 3800calories for x weeks and then cut on 1800 calories for y weeks.


calculate your daily kcal needs, your daily macro needs and add a total of 300-600 kcal on top of that, depending.
Just keep clean bulking and look at the mirror and strength gains. If you feel you're gaining too much fat, lower the intake. If you feel you're not gaining enough strength/weight, raise the intake.

if you do that properly, you should be able to bulk without any worthy fat gains, and gain like 2% fat in a years time, or so.

Once you feel you're in need of a cut ( for summer, for a compeition to get in weight class or whatever), just start cutting until you're satisfied with your result. Lower carbohydrate intake and raise fat/protein intake.

There's two options

- Create a shortage of kcal through cardio
- Create a shortage of kcal through your diet.

I don't see why you would do 'cycles', the mirror and your personal goals say it all. Cleanbulking can be done indefinitely and cutting is really only ever needed if you're eating waaaay too much or if you want that magical 10% fat during summer or so.

Nutrition is at least as important, if not more, as a proper workout plan is. It should be among the first basic things you learn when starting to do strength training. Getting to know your body, what macro numbers it responds to properly and adjust over the course of your path.

Here, a quote from the first source I Could find:

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Estimating Requirements
The simplest method is to base your intake on a standard 'calories per unit of weight (usually kilograms)'. Typically:
- 26 to 30 kcals/kg/day for normal, healthy individuals with sedentary lifestyles doing little physical activity [12.0-14 kcal/pound]
- 31 to 37 kcal/kg/day for those involved in light to moderate activity 3-5 x a week with moderately active lifestyles [14-16 kcal/ pound]
- 38 to 40 kcals/kg/day for those involved in vigorous activity and highly active jobs [16-18 kcal/ pound].
For those involved in HEAVY training (eg: athletes) - the demand is greater:
- 41 to 50 kcals/kg/day for those involved in moderate to heavy training (for example: 15-20 hrs/ week training) [18.5-22 kcal/ pound]
- 50 or above kcals/kg/day for those involved in heavy to extreme training [> 22 kcal/ pound]

There are then a number of other formula which calculate BMR. This means it calculates what you need should you be in a coma.
1/ Harris-Benedict formula: Very inaccurate. It was derived from studies on LEAN, YOUNG, ACTIVE males MANY YEARS AGO (1919). Notorious for OVERESTIMATING requirements, especially in the overweight. IF YOU CAN AVOID IT, DON'T USE IT!
MEN: BMR = 66 + [13.7 x weight (kg)] + [5 x height (cm)] - [6.76 x age (years)]
WOMEN: BMR = 655 + [9.6 x weight (kg)] + [1.8 x height (cm)] - [4.7 x age (years)]

2/Mifflin-St Jeor: Developed in the 1990s and more realistic in todays settings. It still doesn't take into consideration the differences as a consequence of high BF%. Thus, once again, it OVERESTIMATES NEEDS, ESPECIALLY IN THE OVERWEIGHT.
MEN: BMR = [9.99 x weight (kg)] + [6.25 x height (cm)] - [4.92 x age (years)] + 5
WOMEN: BMR = [9.99 x weight (kg)] + [6.25 x height (cm)] - [4.92 x age (years)] -161

3/Katch-McArdle:Considered the most accurate formula for those who are relatively lean. Use ONLY if you have a good estimate of your bodyfat %.
BMR = 370 + (21.6 x LBM)Where LBM = [total weight (kg) x (100 - bodyfat %)]/100

As these are only BMR calculations To convert BMR to a TOTAL requirement you need to multiply the result of your BMR by an 'activity variable' to give TEE.
The Activity Factor is the TOTAL cost of living, NOT JUST YOUR TRAINING. Think about it - if you train 1 hr a day - WHAT ARE YOU DOING THE OTHER 23 HRS?! So MORE important than training -- it includes work, life activities, training/sport & the TEF of ~15% (an average mixed diet).
Average activity variables are:
1.2 = Sedentary (Desk job, and Little Formal Exercise)
1.3-1.4 = Lightly Active (Light daily activity AND light exercise 1-3 days a week)
1.5-1.6 = Moderately Active (Moderately daily Activity & Moderate exercise 3-5 days a week)
1.7-1.8 = Very Active (Physically demanding lifestyle & Hard exercise 6-7 days a week)
1.9-2.2 = Extremely Active (Athlete in ENDURANCE training or VERY HARD physical job)

How Accurate are they?: They give rough ball-park figures and are still 'guesstimations'. So the aim is to use these as 'rough figures', monitor your weight/ measurements for 2-4 weeks, & IF your weight is stable/ measurements are stable, you have likely found maintenance.

Using the Above to Recalculate Based on Goals
You then need to DECREASE or INCREASE intake based on your goals (eg: lose or gain mass). It is not recommended to use a 'generic calorie amounts' (eg: 500 cals/ day). Instead this should be calculated on a % of your maintenance. Why? The effect of different calorie amounts is going to be markedly different based on someones size/ total calorie intake. For example - subtracting 500 cals/ day from a 1500 total intake is 1/3rd of the total cals, where 500 cals/ day from 3000 total intake is only 1/6th of the total. The results will therefore be markedly different on an individuals energy level & weight loss. Generally:
- To ADD weight: ADD 10-20% calories to the total above
- To LOSE weight: SUBTRACT 10-20% calories from the total above
Then monitor your results and adjust as required.

Macronutrient Needs
Once you work out calorie needs, you then work out how much of each macronutrient you should aim for. This is one of the areas that is MOST often confused but This should NOT be based on a RATIO of macro intakes. (eg: '30:40:30 or 40:40:20') Your body doesn't CARE what % intake you have. It works based on SUFFICIENT QUANTITY per MASS.

So to try to make it as simple as possible:
1. Protein: Protein intake is a bit of a controversial issue in nutrition. The general recommendations given in the 'bodybuilding' area are nearly double the 'standard' recommendations given in the Sports Nutrition Arena.
The GENERAL sports nutrition guideline based on clinical trials suggest that in the face of ADEQUATE calories and CARBS the following protein intakes are sufficient:
STRENGTH training -> 1.4 to 2g per KG bodyweight (about .6 / pound)
ENDURANCE training -> 1.2 to 1.8g per KG bodyweight (about .8 / pound)
ADOLESCENT in training -> 1.8 to 2.2g per KG bodyweight (about 1g / pound)
BUT researchers also acknowledge that protein becomes MORE important in the context of LOWER calorie intakes, or LOWER carb intakes.
Recent evidence also suggests that protein intakes of 3g/kg help with physiological and psychological stressors associated with high volume or intense training.
One should also note that ADEQUATE v's OPTIMAL is not discussed when it comes to hypertrophy v's performance.
And lastly - you need to consider thermogenics/ satiety/ and personal preference.

So - General 'bodybuilding' guidelines for protein would be as follows:
- Moderate bodyfat and training load = 2.2-2.8g per kg TOTAL weight (about 1-1.25g per pound)
- Very Low bodyfat or Very Low Calorie or High training load = 2.4 - 3g per kg TOTAL weight (1.1-1.35g per pound)
- High bodyfat, high calorie, or low training load = 1.6 to 2.2g per kg TOTAL weight (.75 - 1g per pound)
Anecdotally, as most find HIGHER protein intake better for satiety, partitioning, blood sugar control, and hypertrophy. UNLESS you have medical reasons for lower protein, or unless guided to use the GENERAL sports nutrition guidelines, I would suggest the BODYBUILDING values.


2. Fats: Generally speaking, although the body can get away with short periods of very low fat, in the long run your body NEEDS fat to maintain health, satiety, and sanity. Additionally - any form of high intensity training will benefit from a 'fat buffer' in your diet - which controls free radical damage & inflammation. General guides:
Average or low bodyfat: 1 - 2g fat/ kg body weight [between 0.40 - 1g total weight/ pounds]
High bodyfat: 1-2g fat/ Kg LEAN weight [between 0.4 - 1g LEAN weight/ pounds]
Low calorie dieting - you can decrease further, but as a minimum, I would not suggest LESS than about 0.30g/ pound.
Note 1: Total fat intake is NOT the same as 'essential fats' (essential fats are specific TYPES of fats that are INCLUDED in your total fat intake)...


3. Carbs: For carbs there are no specific 'requirements' for your body so - but carbs are important for athletes, ACTIVE individuals, or those trying to GAIN MASS. [carbs help with workout intensity, health, & satiety (+ sanity)]. This means if you are an athlete involved in a good volume of training I would suggest you CALCULATE a requirement for carbs as a PRIORITY - then go back and calculate protein / fat:
Moderately active: 4.5 - 6.5 g/ kg (about 2 - 3g/ pound)
High active: 6.5 - 8.5 g/ kg (about 3 - 4g/ pound)
INTENSE activity: + 8.5g / kg (more than 4g/ pound)

For 'others' - simply carbohydrate intakes via the calories left over from fats/ protein:
carb cals = Total cal needs - ([protein grams above x 4] + [fat grams above x 9])
carb grams = (above cals)/ 4
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