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On June 21 2013 17:22 decaf wrote:
@kaluro:
It don't matter how tall you are, a 85kg squat isn't good and height is definitely not holding you back. I'm a twig and I can squat 110kg 3x5. If you're really tall you have a harder time filling out your frame and reaching elite level lifts, but it's no excuse for your bench to be higher than your squat. If you're really concerned about it do Starting Strength and forget about your abs and then do Texas Method or something.
I don't know how tall you are, but oly lifters for instance are really heavy. Ilya Ilin is 174cm tall competing at 94kg moving up to 105kg. Chigishev is 187cm tall competing at 105kg+ (~120kg or so). Others would probably like to be tall, stop complaining and embrace it.
I'm not using my height as an excuse, I was asking why that person said (X benched XXX KG @ XX KG bodyweight) without saying the height of that person.
I squat 85kg ass the grass without any bounce, I don't do paralel bounce squats.
Can you squat 110kg ATG without bouncing?
And I also sincerely doubt you have 100+cm legs with a ~60cm torso, which leads to a huge range of motion paired with leaning forward a lot because of my short upper body. Legs are and have always been my favourite muscle group. I am really strong at the leg press and calf raises, hell even deadlifts and stiff legged deadlifts. It's just the squats I have issues with.
If I would squat paralel with some bounce I am sure I would speed rocket past my bench, I can try on monday I guess.
On June 21 2013 15:54 Deadeight wrote:
As NeedsmoreCELLTECH said google Hafþór Björnsson who is 2.06m tall but is built wide enough for his height that he's still bloody strong.
Being tall isn't bad, it's being narrow that is. It just so happens that sometimes when people are tall they aren't also wide enough, it's the proportions that matter a lot. Björnsson is proportioned with a good shoulder width to height ratio.
I'm narrow.. really small shoulder base, really short torso, really long limbs, long neck too.  But hopefully it'll become more aesthetic as time progresses!
On June 21 2013 12:26 GoTuNk! wrote:
kaluro, dont take this personal, but you seem to be really eager to you use your height as an excuse for not getting strong
Nope, legs are my favourite muscle group and I was looking for a reason why it progresses so slowly compared to other lifts.
So instead of making me out to be the bad guy you might as well give tips on how to improve my squat  !
I'll make a squat video monday.
On June 21 2013 12:26 GoTuNk! wrote:
Edit: Saying being short and good at powerlifting has no merit its like saying you don't need merit to be good at basketball if you are tall, or that phelps has no merit because his feet resemble fish paddles.
Once again, the only thing I complained about is that people use weight (without height references) to boast how strong they are compared to their weight. Like that video I quoted in my previous post.
and I have no idea what 'merit' means but yeah being short is advantegous since it gives you a shorter R.O.M. and being tall is good for basketball since you can block/reach the basket easier etc. :p
On June 21 2013 12:16 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Kaluro, I'm 1.96m and my legs are bigger than yours. Just stop complaining about your height already. Also that Icelandic strongman pulls 400kg+ at like 2.05m so we both suck ass.
I never complained about my height, I was looking for a reason and some help on why my squat is so low and how to improve it.
The numbers you guys squat, is that ATG no bounce? :o
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I just measured the length of my legs for the first time of my life just for you and guess how long they are? 100cm from the lowest point of the iliac crest to the sole of my foot (the floor) and I'm 178cm tall
now stop complaining and do more squats
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Lol this decaf person is really immature and bad mannered. I'm asking for squatting advice and was trying to come up with reasons why my squat would be slacking behind, and instead you people start bashing me, claiming i'm complaining because of my height, while I was just thinking it could be a factor.
So instead of helping, you guys feel bashing is more viable. Great topic this is, like 5 people that are good friends, versus the new people in this thread :')
I squat heavy 3 times a week, and do lunges.
and I asked what you squat ATG no bounce, and you haven't even replied to that. Good person you are decaf. Get off your high horse.
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I lol'd.
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On June 21 2013 23:36 decaf wrote:
I lol'd.
Either help me out with my squat issues or don't reply at all please. With your sustained provocation and belittling.
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Following the SS method your squat should still be going up I'd think. If it's stalling it could be some technique flaw or not eating enough are my first thoughts. Last year at 77kg 173cm I squatted 129kg 3x5 after 3 months of SS. However, not everyone is the same. It can depend how long you've trained, which could be a result of athletics and exercising done in the past. My workout partner was heavier and shorter and my squat was always ahead of his and we started same time same weight. It was true vice versa for deadlift however. /shrug. Some people like to motivate others by belittling, don't take it too personally 
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Bodyweight: 5'9'' of short privilege 
Bench: 45x10, 95 x 10, 135 x 5, 185 x 3, 205 x 2, 225 x 2, 250 x 2 (missed both)
Squat: 45 x 10, 135 x 5, 185 x 3, 225 x 2, 275 x 1, 295 x 2 (rep PR); 20-sec heavy holds 315, 335
DL: 135 x 5, 225 x 5, 315 x 5
Got greedy on bench. 225 felt so good I went for a 5lb PR. I think I could have gotten it if I had a handoff, but I lose all tightness in my back when I try to unrack by myself. Either way, result was roll of shame x 2 lol. Squat went well. Hit a nice little rep PR and held decent form. The 335 heavy hold felt super heavy though.
I had planned to do more on DL, but by that time my posterior chain decided that it had put up with enough bullshit for the day, so I stopped at 3 plates. I think I'm going to have to break up my friday workouts into morning/evening. I'm pretty sure I could have gone up further in weight if I had held off on DL until the afternoon.
@kaluro I do low-bar squats that break parallel and use the stretch reflex to "bounce" out of the hole so to speak. I don't do high bar often, but when I do front squats I go ATG and bounce out of the hole as well. Using the stretch reflex won't hinder your gains my friend, it's part of squatting. I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but IMO you are missing out if you aren't using the stretch reflex to get out of the hole.
I used to do 5-sec paused squats occasionally, but the most I've ever tried was 225 for reps a few months ago, and it was hard as hell.
Here's one of my favorite pump up videos. It's High-bar and ATG. And Ghostbusters theme.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On June 22 2013 00:06 mordek wrote:Following the SS method your squat should still be going up I'd think. If it's stalling it could be some technique flaw or not eating enough are my first thoughts. Last year at 77kg 173cm I squatted 129kg 3x5 after 3 months of SS. However, not everyone is the same. It can depend how long you've trained, which could be a result of athletics and exercising done in the past. My workout partner was heavier and shorter and my squat was always ahead of his and we started same time same weight. It was true vice versa for deadlift however. /shrug. Some people like to motivate others by belittling, don't take it too personally
I'll make a video of my squat on monday. I gained 12 kg over the past 7-8 months so that's not really the problem. Everything is going up nicely, as is the squat. Only the squat is going up much much slower than my bench press etc.
I have noticed that my upper body tilts forward a bit when going near/below paralel, when I'm not using any height below heels, to raise them ~2cm. working on flexibility now and in the meanwhile im just squatting with height below my heels.
On June 22 2013 00:12 BenKen wrote:
@kaluro I do low-bar squats that break parallel and use the stretch reflex to "bounce" out of the hole so to speak. I don't do high bar often, but when I do front squats I go ATG and bounce out of the hole as well. Using the stretch reflex won't hinder your gains my friend, it's part of squatting. I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but IMO you are missing out if you aren't using the stretch reflex to get out of the hole.
I'll try to squat with a bounce for a little while then :-) see if that is going to be of any help.
I know that using your achilles for bouncing during calves is really bad for calf growth, so I figured it'd be the same for squatting.
On June 22 2013 00:12 BenKen wrote:Here's one of my favorite pump up videos. It's High-bar and ATG. And Ghostbusters theme. + Show Spoiler +http://youtu.be/aYScDcm9qBI
That video alone is worth it because of the theme. Even if he'd have been squatting 50kg, it'd still be awesome.
The theme song and the screaming ♥!
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I'll try to squat with a bounce for a little while then :-) see if that is going to be of any help.
I know that using your achilles for bouncing during calves is really bad for calf growth, so I figured it'd be the same for squatting.
Yeah think about engaging those hamstrings by pushing your knees out (sideways, not forward) on the way down. You want to kinda feel a rubber band like effect in your hamstrings when you hit depth. Try not to divebomb though.
Here's an article I found on stretch reflex. There might be better articles out there, but this isn't bad place to start.
http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2012/08/the-stretch-reflex.html
That video alone is worth it because of the theme. Even if he'd have been squatting 50kg, it'd still be awesome.
The theme song and the screaming ♥!
It's impossible to not like that video.
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On June 21 2013 20:37 kaluro wrote:
The numbers you guys squat, is that ATG no bounce? :o
Not normally, most people here squat low bar to parallel or just below parallel I believe. There's a fair difference, I squat 195kg powerlifting style (low bar, wider stance, to parallel) but only 165kg when I do high-bar ATG. This is why I only ever try and compare strength using deadlift numbers (although, my DL is much better than my squat so I guess I would).
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On June 22 2013 00:13 kaluro wrote:
I'll make a video of my squat on monday. I gained 12 kg over the past 7-8 months so that's not really the problem. Everything is going up nicely, as is the squat. Only the squat is going up much much slower than my bench press etc.
I have noticed that my upper body tilts forward a bit when going near/below paralel, when I'm not using any height below heels, to raise them ~2cm. working on flexibility now and in the meanwhile im just squatting with height below my heels.
I might be misunderstanding your writing here, but for clarification's sake: Are you raising your heels off the ground in the bottom of the squat?
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Today's workout:
Back squat: double @ 365, singles @ 385, 395, 405x
Snatch: double @ 175, singles @ 185, 185x, 185, 195x, 195x (uggghhhhhh)
C&J: singles @ 205, 225
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On June 22 2013 12:19 KaoReal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 00:13 kaluro wrote:
I'll make a video of my squat on monday. I gained 12 kg over the past 7-8 months so that's not really the problem. Everything is going up nicely, as is the squat. Only the squat is going up much much slower than my bench press etc.
I have noticed that my upper body tilts forward a bit when going near/below paralel, when I'm not using any height below heels, to raise them ~2cm. working on flexibility now and in the meanwhile im just squatting with height below my heels.
I might be misunderstanding your writing here, but for clarification's sake: Are you raising your heels off the ground in the bottom of the squat?
Sorry no, bad english
I am using a 2cm thick block to put my heels on so that they are in an incline position.
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On June 21 2013 20:37 kaluro wrote:
The numbers you guys squat, is that ATG no bounce? :o
I think just the people that do the Olympic Lifts do high bar atg with a bounce out of the bottom.
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On June 21 2013 23:41 kaluro wrote:Either help me out with my squat issues or don't reply at all please. With your sustained provocation and belittling.
I recommended you to do Starting Strength, because you could still get linear progression out of it given you're eating enough, and when you're done with that you could try madcow or texas method. But you probably skipped that part (at least you didn't address it and then you claim I didn't try to help you). Neither did you give any real useful information, not your height, weight, time lifting, how often you squat, rep ranges, how much you eat/sleep etc, all we got is "100cm legs bro" and "ATG no bounce bro" without even stating how you measured your legs so that this small piece of information becomes even more useless and then when I tell you my legs are 100cm as well I'm suddenly harassing or belittling you?
I guess either you like me or you don't, I'm just being honest in my approach, but some people can't take it when you don't sugarcoat it, they take everything personally (which is the thing I dislike the most about this forum btw, everyone is so easily offended over nothing).
No, this is not a secret club of 5 different guys which doesn't let anybody else in. I'm fairly new myself and I still consider myself a beginner. But everybody got a certain opinion and mentality when it comes to lifting and sometimes you simply have arguments, does that mean you should take it personally? I think not. I had arguments with celltech (if people call me 'bad mannered' I guess he's too) and recently steelandmalice (and probably others in the past I already forgot), but that doesn't mean I now have some prejudiced opinion about them or dislike them, I simply do not care. If you can't forward information without getting all emotional and your feelings getting hurt it's simply not my problem.
I wish someone would have told me when I started lifting "bro what you're doing is utterly retarded do a proper strength program like A or B" I would have accepted it as soon as I knew he likely knew what he was talking about and not gotten all defensive.
If your question is if you have such a huge biomechanical disadvantage that now you bench more than you squat the answer is we don't know, because we don't have any real information. The only way that would be possible is if you had really long legs, a barrel chest and ridiculously short arms - but your legs are as long as mine for all we know. But what's much more likely is you've simply been neglecting your legs, but since you like working your legs I'd say that was by accident hence why I recommended SS.
And when I previously told you I measured my legs I didn't actually intend to sound arrogant or w/e, you just took it that way. Sometimes people simply need some tough love.
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Whew, now that's out of the way :D Also, lol @ celltech, probably best it was you and not him getting on his case XD
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On June 22 2013 19:35 kaluro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 12:19 KaoReal wrote:On June 22 2013 00:13 kaluro wrote:
I'll make a video of my squat on monday. I gained 12 kg over the past 7-8 months so that's not really the problem. Everything is going up nicely, as is the squat. Only the squat is going up much much slower than my bench press etc.
I have noticed that my upper body tilts forward a bit when going near/below paralel, when I'm not using any height below heels, to raise them ~2cm. working on flexibility now and in the meanwhile im just squatting with height below my heels.
I might be misunderstanding your writing here, but for clarification's sake: Are you raising your heels off the ground in the bottom of the squat? Sorry no, bad english I am using a 2cm thick block to put my heels on so that they are in an incline position.
That's fine. It's somewhat like a poor-man's oly shoe, but long-term you should either look into getting oly shoes, or should work on your flexibility so that you don't need the block anymore.
As far as why your squat is suffering, it's not your height. It's that you're too damn skinny for your height. I'm 6'4 and still only ~190 lbs. I know the feeling, I know the problem. My best squat after 2 years of lifting was only 130kg for a triple (olympic style back squat). It was because I was too skinny for my height (only ~175 lbs/80kg at the time). Every time I added 5 lbs to my bodyweight, my squat probably went up 15 or more. There's a reason it's suggested that people like me eat everything they can get their hands on if they're strength training.
Put on some bodyweight, squat 4 times/week (2 front 2 back if you can) and your squat will go up to where it belongs. If you have specific questions, pm me because I'm not reading through the last page and a half of petty crap.
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In other news, I completely fucked my back (again) splitting firewood. Damn water-soaked wood, pieces probably weighed 100-250 lbs each. Basically like doing high-rep atlas stone loads to get them on the splitter, and I totally wasnt ready for it. Good news is I'm home, and I can see a Physical Therapist sometime this week.
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Hope it goes will for you phyre, I swear this is one of the most annoying things ever... the bill really sucked though for PT :\
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Quick training today:
sn high pull + muscle sn + sn press + OHS + sn sots press
95, 100, 100, 105, 105
snatch push press
135x5 150x5 170x1x2
Had a meeting with the staff guys at the xfit. I've been working with the head coach on a strength program, his goal is to get at least one of his top athletes to qualify for regionals. We are programming for 32 weeks, it's nuts haha. I'm gonna be in charge of basically all the strength programming. So it's going to be 12 weeks of pure strength training in the main lifts. Then the next 12 weeks are going to be weightlifting training and work on gymnastics skills. Then as we approach the 2014 crossfit games open, we are going to cut back on the weightlifting and increase the volume of actual crossfit workouts. This should be pretty fun, specially when we get to the weightlifting block. I think the hardest part will be on their side to balance the metcon work with the strength work. We were thinking of doing strength on M/W/F, doing some light/moderate conditioning on tuesday and saturday then resting on thursday and sunday. Fun little experiment.
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On June 23 2013 04:30 mordek wrote:
Whew, now that's out of the way :D Also, lol @ celltech, probably best it was you and not him getting on his case XD
Dude I'm super sweet to everyone. People are just different and we need to all accept eachother instead of flaming on internet boards, god. Also Kaluro if you wanna get oly shoes i recommend nerlinger.com; the guy who runs it is really cool and its pretty cheap for adidas.
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