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On February 25 2014 03:07 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2014 22:50 mordek wrote:
@phyre I'm sure I've asked before but how are you determining your imbalances. I'm sure I'm favoring a side in my squat but it's hard to tell while you're doing it. video is probably the obvious answer... I've been adding one leg presses and stuff so we'll see. I'm doing iso-lateral stuff pretty regularly (obliques, hamstrings and quads) and once you've done a few sets you can really tell which part of which side is ahead. As far as the harder to tell areas like the glutes and the lower back, I'm mostly basing it off of the way I stand, What is comfortable in a squat, the fact that my squat shifts left and my DL rotates left, yet my right lower back always feels like it's been hit by a truck while my left side feels fine after I'm done. When I started worrying about it, there was actually a visible difference in the size of my erectors, which has somewhat gone away but is still present. Obviously the squat requires video, a mirror, or a lifting buddy. The deadlift you can kinda tell if you pay attention to what's happening with the bar while you lift it, but there are other things to be focused on when you're going for a heavy pull so I use lighter DLs and RDLs to help me judge.
I'm pretty sure I shift to the right (favoring unatrophied hamstring and better range of motion on that knee) Oddly enough the erectors on my right side are what feel tight after squats. Hips are a complicated thing. I'll get video on Friday of squat and deadlift.
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On February 26 2014 14:41 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:11 Abraxas514 wrote:On February 26 2014 00:38 decafchicken wrote:
I can oly lift without taping my wrists about 90% of the time. Occasionally i'll get some pain (usually rugby related) and i'll tape up and be fine.
I used to lift in long socks all the time. Now i'm pretty good about not ripping the skin off my shins while I lift. Or the skin on my shins has turned into rhino skin. You and I are built veeery differently. I'm 5''9 and 155lbs. My ribcage is small enough so on some bench racks I can't even touch the bar to my chest, instead I hit the catch. On the olys my wrists are my #1 priority because when I hurt them last month I couldn't do shit for a week  As for ripping the shins, I used to just pull my socks up. But recently I've been using these shoes: http://www.adidas.com/us/product/mens-training-adipure-trainer-11-shoes/CF623?cid=G95481&breadcrumb=1z13071Z1z11zrfZ1z13y9n&search=adipure&cm_vc=STATIC_SEARCHWhich are really great for grip/foot strength but unfortunately they leave no room for socks. You can always deadlift barefoot, in just socks. If anything it should improve your pull. as far as wrists... bones and tendons/ligaments increase in density relative to the stress you place on them. Will you ever have the joints of a 7 foot tall world class strongman? No, probably not. But they WILL get stronger over time, same as your muscles do.
I've tried but YMCA doesn't allow it and the weight room supervisors will miss every camera phone in the room to notice me taking off my shoes....
On February 26 2014 23:00 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:11 Abraxas514 wrote:On February 26 2014 00:38 decafchicken wrote:
I can oly lift without taping my wrists about 90% of the time. Occasionally i'll get some pain (usually rugby related) and i'll tape up and be fine.
I used to lift in long socks all the time. Now i'm pretty good about not ripping the skin off my shins while I lift. Or the skin on my shins has turned into rhino skin. You and I are built veeery differently. I'm 5''9 and 155lbs. My ribcage is small enough so on some bench racks I can't even touch the bar to my chest, instead I hit the catch. On the olys my wrists are my #1 priority because when I hurt them last month I couldn't do shit for a week As for ripping the shins, I used to just pull my socks up. But recently I've been using these shoes: http://www.adidas.com/us/product/mens-training-adipure-trainer-11-shoes/CF623?cid=G95481&breadcrumb=1z13071Z1z11zrfZ1z13y9n&search=adipure&cm_vc=STATIC_SEARCHWhich are really great for grip/foot strength but unfortunately they leave no room for socks. 2.2x bw deadlift dang man 
Thanks, my PR is 355 but I feel like I'll surpass that quickly. I did 'bodybuilding' for about 6 years, and I've been DLing for about one.
I don't really mind the shin scratches. A friend called them 'battle wounds' in the locker room. I actually found it disrespectful to the men and women who actually got wounded :/
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So I got around to recording my lifts. I use a tight vertical shot or else you would be getting all the middle aged wives who happen to be in the weight room at 1PM on a Wednesday 
2 attempts at CJ 135, was nervous as this was the first time recording myself
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Another attempt at 135, by just looking at my video I see I gotta work on my split jerk because it has been a hit or miss thing for me since I started doing it 4 weeks ago.
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My third video is at 155 which is the first time I attempted that weight. My clean was OK, the front squat was getting hard, and I was worried about my wrists on the jerk... so I ended up splitting short and completing with a push jerk of sorts. I still consider it a PR!
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So, that's me at 155lbs and two months of learning these lifts! I feel like the clean portion was actually pretty easy, but I'm approaching a limit on my FS.
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On February 27 2014 00:02 Abraxas514 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:41 phyre112 wrote:On February 26 2014 14:11 Abraxas514 wrote:On February 26 2014 00:38 decafchicken wrote:
I can oly lift without taping my wrists about 90% of the time. Occasionally i'll get some pain (usually rugby related) and i'll tape up and be fine.
I used to lift in long socks all the time. Now i'm pretty good about not ripping the skin off my shins while I lift. Or the skin on my shins has turned into rhino skin. You and I are built veeery differently. I'm 5''9 and 155lbs. My ribcage is small enough so on some bench racks I can't even touch the bar to my chest, instead I hit the catch. On the olys my wrists are my #1 priority because when I hurt them last month I couldn't do shit for a week As for ripping the shins, I used to just pull my socks up. But recently I've been using these shoes: http://www.adidas.com/us/product/mens-training-adipure-trainer-11-shoes/CF623?cid=G95481&breadcrumb=1z13071Z1z11zrfZ1z13y9n&search=adipure&cm_vc=STATIC_SEARCHWhich are really great for grip/foot strength but unfortunately they leave no room for socks. You can always deadlift barefoot, in just socks. If anything it should improve your pull. as far as wrists... bones and tendons/ligaments increase in density relative to the stress you place on them. Will you ever have the joints of a 7 foot tall world class strongman? No, probably not. But they WILL get stronger over time, same as your muscles do. I've tried but YMCA doesn't allow it and the weight room supervisors will miss every camera phone in the room to notice me taking off my shoes.... Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 23:00 mordek wrote:On February 26 2014 14:11 Abraxas514 wrote:On February 26 2014 00:38 decafchicken wrote:
I can oly lift without taping my wrists about 90% of the time. Occasionally i'll get some pain (usually rugby related) and i'll tape up and be fine.
I used to lift in long socks all the time. Now i'm pretty good about not ripping the skin off my shins while I lift. Or the skin on my shins has turned into rhino skin. You and I are built veeery differently. I'm 5''9 and 155lbs. My ribcage is small enough so on some bench racks I can't even touch the bar to my chest, instead I hit the catch. On the olys my wrists are my #1 priority because when I hurt them last month I couldn't do shit for a week As for ripping the shins, I used to just pull my socks up. But recently I've been using these shoes: http://www.adidas.com/us/product/mens-training-adipure-trainer-11-shoes/CF623?cid=G95481&breadcrumb=1z13071Z1z11zrfZ1z13y9n&search=adipure&cm_vc=STATIC_SEARCHWhich are really great for grip/foot strength but unfortunately they leave no room for socks. 2.2x bw deadlift dang man Thanks, my PR is 355 but I feel like I'll surpass that quickly. I did 'bodybuilding' for about 6 years, and I've been DLing for about one. I don't really mind the shin scratches. A friend called them 'battle wounds' in the locker room. I actually found it disrespectful to the men and women who actually got wounded :/
People don't respect bodybuilding. Calling what you did "bodybuilding" is akin to calling a drunken bar room shove "boxing."
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On February 27 2014 09:24 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 00:02 Abraxas514 wrote:On February 26 2014 14:41 phyre112 wrote:On February 26 2014 14:11 Abraxas514 wrote:On February 26 2014 00:38 decafchicken wrote:
I can oly lift without taping my wrists about 90% of the time. Occasionally i'll get some pain (usually rugby related) and i'll tape up and be fine.
I used to lift in long socks all the time. Now i'm pretty good about not ripping the skin off my shins while I lift. Or the skin on my shins has turned into rhino skin. You and I are built veeery differently. I'm 5''9 and 155lbs. My ribcage is small enough so on some bench racks I can't even touch the bar to my chest, instead I hit the catch. On the olys my wrists are my #1 priority because when I hurt them last month I couldn't do shit for a week As for ripping the shins, I used to just pull my socks up. But recently I've been using these shoes: http://www.adidas.com/us/product/mens-training-adipure-trainer-11-shoes/CF623?cid=G95481&breadcrumb=1z13071Z1z11zrfZ1z13y9n&search=adipure&cm_vc=STATIC_SEARCHWhich are really great for grip/foot strength but unfortunately they leave no room for socks. You can always deadlift barefoot, in just socks. If anything it should improve your pull. as far as wrists... bones and tendons/ligaments increase in density relative to the stress you place on them. Will you ever have the joints of a 7 foot tall world class strongman? No, probably not. But they WILL get stronger over time, same as your muscles do. I've tried but YMCA doesn't allow it and the weight room supervisors will miss every camera phone in the room to notice me taking off my shoes.... On February 26 2014 23:00 mordek wrote:On February 26 2014 14:11 Abraxas514 wrote:On February 26 2014 00:38 decafchicken wrote:
I can oly lift without taping my wrists about 90% of the time. Occasionally i'll get some pain (usually rugby related) and i'll tape up and be fine.
I used to lift in long socks all the time. Now i'm pretty good about not ripping the skin off my shins while I lift. Or the skin on my shins has turned into rhino skin. You and I are built veeery differently. I'm 5''9 and 155lbs. My ribcage is small enough so on some bench racks I can't even touch the bar to my chest, instead I hit the catch. On the olys my wrists are my #1 priority because when I hurt them last month I couldn't do shit for a week As for ripping the shins, I used to just pull my socks up. But recently I've been using these shoes: http://www.adidas.com/us/product/mens-training-adipure-trainer-11-shoes/CF623?cid=G95481&breadcrumb=1z13071Z1z11zrfZ1z13y9n&search=adipure&cm_vc=STATIC_SEARCHWhich are really great for grip/foot strength but unfortunately they leave no room for socks. 2.2x bw deadlift dang man Thanks, my PR is 355 but I feel like I'll surpass that quickly. I did 'bodybuilding' for about 6 years, and I've been DLing for about one. I don't really mind the shin scratches. A friend called them 'battle wounds' in the locker room. I actually found it disrespectful to the men and women who actually got wounded :/ People don't respect bodybuilding. Calling what you did "bodybuilding" is akin to calling a drunken bar room shove "boxing."
Well I went from 125lbs->165lbs using mostly slow, controlled isolation exercises in the 8-12 rep range, 3-4 sets per movement and I made sure to target each muscle with at least 2 different movements. I ate almost a gram of protein per lbs BW a day, carbed up before workouts and ate almost only proteins afterwards.
If you don't call that bodybuilding, I'm not sure what is.
EDIT: Also I don't know if you meant to be disrespectful but comparing my workout to a 'drunken bar room shove' sure is an aggressive way to make assumptions.
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I don't know any bodybuilder who can't deadlift over 400 lbs. Just sayin.
Going from 125-165 lbs is called growing up. Sounds like you went to the gym and lifted weights. I don't think I would call it bodybuilding.
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On February 27 2014 13:06 IgnE wrote:
I don't know any bodybuilder who can't deadlift over 400 lbs. Just sayin.
At what BW?
With what morphology?
My parents are 95lbs and 120lbs, my sister is 79lbs. My genetics are the only factor out of my control in the experiment.
You sound like a real elitist.
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Went for my openers today but last few days have been shitty.
Snatch 135 185 205 225 245 265 275x 275x 275 285 295x 295x
Clean and jerk 135 225 275 275 295 315 335 355
Probably go 80-85% tomorrow, low volume, and taper down to 50-60% on friday, drive to columbus on saturday, hopefully get a 40-50% workout in, and then crush PRs and hit 145/175 on sunday at the Arnold meet.
On February 27 2014 13:06 IgnE wrote:
I don't know any bodybuilder who can't deadlift over 400 lbs. Just sayin.
Going from 125-165 lbs is called growing up. Sounds like you went to the gym and lifted weights. I don't think I would call it bodybuilding.
quit being a dick igne, he did some amateur hypertrophy based weight trained with the goal of aesthetics in mind, he never said he was an elite competitor. They both fall under bodybuilding. I'm sure you've said that you've weight lifted before but i'm not going to go on a rant about how you can't snatch 300 pounds because the sport of weight lifting only belongs to those who compete in the snatch and clean and jerk.
Most kids that just 'go to the gym and lift weights' make no sort of visible progress in strength or size.
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On February 27 2014 13:06 IgnE wrote:
I don't know any bodybuilder who can't deadlift over 400 lbs. Just sayin.
Going from 125-165 lbs is called growing up. Sounds like you went to the gym and lifted weights. I don't think I would call it bodybuilding.
Not being at the top level of what your doing is not the same as not doing it.
If he's going to the gym with a specific goal of hypertrophy and low body fat, eating a diet and living a general lifestyle outside the gym that also supports that, then it's bodybuilding, regardless of whether you're lifting 40 pounds or 400.
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It's a difference in saying "I train bodybuilding" and "I'm a bodybuilder" or "I train weightlifting" or "I'm a weightlifter." Just like I train Muay Thai but I would never say I am a fighter, because I don't compete or ever plan on doing so.
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On February 27 2014 14:19 decafchicken wrote:Went for my openers today but last few days have been shitty. Snatch 135 185 205 225 245 265 275x 275x 275 285 295x 295x Clean and jerk 135 225 275 275 295 315 335 355 Probably go 80-85% tomorrow, low volume, and taper down to 50-60% on friday, drive to columbus on saturday, hopefully get a 40-50% workout in, and then crush PRs and hit 145/175 on sunday at the Arnold meet. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:06 IgnE wrote:
I don't know any bodybuilder who can't deadlift over 400 lbs. Just sayin.
Going from 125-165 lbs is called growing up. Sounds like you went to the gym and lifted weights. I don't think I would call it bodybuilding. quit being a dick igne, he did some amateur hypertrophy based weight trained with the goal of aesthetics in mind, he never said he was an elite competitor. They both fall under bodybuilding. I'm sure you've said that you've weight lifted before but i'm not going to go on a rant about how you can't snatch 300 pounds because the sport of weight lifting only belongs to those who compete in the snatch and clean and jerk. Most kids that just 'go to the gym and lift weights' make no sort of visible progress in strength or size.
I don't think I've ever said that I did olympic weightlifting before.
It rubs me the wrong way when you say you did "bodybuilding" in air quotes, and never even deadlifted.
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Jay Cutler doesn't squat and won a mister Olympia. There's more than one way to skin a cat IgnE. Besides, many bodybuilders (especially physique competitors) don't do conventional deadlifts and have great back development.
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We should probably draw up a list of terms and exercises that Igne can match together, so that we may use the exact terminology he approves of at all times and not fall foul of his cruel judgements.
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When you are as big as Jay Cutler you might not have to squat anymore. Find me a competitor who has never squatted and never done conventional deadlifts. Most of those competitors may not do deadlifts or squats in their current routines, but have had significant stretches (years) squatting and deadlifting in their career, and most can deadlift over 400 or 500 lbs, for lighter competitors.
I may have overreacted when I read a (small) guy talking about his modest deadlift and putting "bodybuilding" in air quotes as he converts to the church of strength after 6 years in the "bodybuilding" wilderness.
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I complimented him on his bw ratio to lift and he humbly responds its only 355 and you jump all over him. Totally uncalled for. It doesn't impress you but not everyone here deadlifts 2.5x their weight. Like how do you read "bodybuilding in air quotes" as him saying he literally did everything a true bodybuilder does and should look like an actual competitor? Who interprets words in ' ' as literally as possible? All he said was he focused on weight and hypertrophy and now he's focusing on strength, no reason to get indignant for all the true bodybuilders out there that were deeply offended by his statement of "only" bodybuilding.
I like it when you post Igne, you keep things real, but this is like not beneficial to anyone in any way. We're all aware bodybuilders can be very strong, thanks.
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On February 27 2014 20:00 IgnE wrote:
When you are as big as Jay Cutler you might not have to squat anymore. Find me a competitor who has never squatted and never done conventional deadlifts. Most of those competitors may not do deadlifts or squats in their current routines, but have had significant stretches (years) squatting and deadlifting in their career, and most can deadlift over 400 or 500 lbs, for lighter competitors.
I may have overreacted when I read a (small) guy talking about his modest deadlift and putting "bodybuilding" in air quotes as he converts to the church of strength after 6 years in the "bodybuilding" wilderness.
So is everyone who isn't Jay Cutler just fucking around in the gym then? How strong do my lifts have to be before I'm allowed to say I do strength training?
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On February 27 2014 16:01 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 14:19 decafchicken wrote:Went for my openers today but last few days have been shitty. Snatch 135 185 205 225 245 265 275x 275x 275 285 295x 295x Clean and jerk 135 225 275 275 295 315 335 355 Probably go 80-85% tomorrow, low volume, and taper down to 50-60% on friday, drive to columbus on saturday, hopefully get a 40-50% workout in, and then crush PRs and hit 145/175 on sunday at the Arnold meet. On February 27 2014 13:06 IgnE wrote:
I don't know any bodybuilder who can't deadlift over 400 lbs. Just sayin.
Going from 125-165 lbs is called growing up. Sounds like you went to the gym and lifted weights. I don't think I would call it bodybuilding. quit being a dick igne, he did some amateur hypertrophy based weight trained with the goal of aesthetics in mind, he never said he was an elite competitor. They both fall under bodybuilding. I'm sure you've said that you've weight lifted before but i'm not going to go on a rant about how you can't snatch 300 pounds because the sport of weight lifting only belongs to those who compete in the snatch and clean and jerk. Most kids that just 'go to the gym and lift weights' make no sort of visible progress in strength or size. I don't think I've ever said that I did olympic weightlifting before. It rubs me the wrong way when you say you did "bodybuilding" in air quotes, and never even deadlifted.
Weightlifting is a sport. It is also in the Olympics. I am a weightlifter (at least in my eyes), but not an Olympic weightlifter much in the sense I am also not an Olympic rugby player even though I play rugby. Weight training, body building, strength training, and power lifting are all technically different endeavors but all them might say that they are weightlifters when in fact none of them regularly do the snatch or clean and jerk but I'm not going to waste my breath correcting them everytime.
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On February 27 2014 16:01 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 14:19 decafchicken wrote:Went for my openers today but last few days have been shitty. Snatch 135 185 205 225 245 265 275x 275x 275 285 295x 295x Clean and jerk 135 225 275 275 295 315 335 355 Probably go 80-85% tomorrow, low volume, and taper down to 50-60% on friday, drive to columbus on saturday, hopefully get a 40-50% workout in, and then crush PRs and hit 145/175 on sunday at the Arnold meet. On February 27 2014 13:06 IgnE wrote:
I don't know any bodybuilder who can't deadlift over 400 lbs. Just sayin.
Going from 125-165 lbs is called growing up. Sounds like you went to the gym and lifted weights. I don't think I would call it bodybuilding. quit being a dick igne, he did some amateur hypertrophy based weight trained with the goal of aesthetics in mind, he never said he was an elite competitor. They both fall under bodybuilding. I'm sure you've said that you've weight lifted before but i'm not going to go on a rant about how you can't snatch 300 pounds because the sport of weight lifting only belongs to those who compete in the snatch and clean and jerk. Most kids that just 'go to the gym and lift weights' make no sort of visible progress in strength or size. I don't think I've ever said that I did olympic weightlifting before. It rubs me the wrong way when you say you did "bodybuilding" in air quotes, and never even deadlifted.
IgnE did you have a personal experience where you were disrespected for your sport of choice? I know how frustrating it can be when people portray weightlifters as meatheads, or idiots, just because they have large muscle mass and spend plenty of time in the gym. Every time I see a show make a joke out of breaking an acoustic guitar I cringe because not only did I make a living playing music I find it stems from a place of jealousy and self-deprecation.
I would also like to point out that the flexibility required to move in the way to catch a clean is something many bodybuilders have lost due to reduced range of motion.
To that effect I guess I should post a video of my DL? Recently I've been cutting hard to see how low BF I can get, but doing so completely halted my progress on both DL and BP. Once I finish cutting I'll probably go back to hypertrophy and see how big I can get before I turn 30
I would still like some feedback on what I posted
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I prefer to call it 'waging a one-man war against gravity'. Is that ok or is igne going to shit on me?
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I misread his statement. I offer a formal apology to Abraxas for comparing his 6 years in the gym to a drunken bar room shove.
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