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On May 13 2013 20:55 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:03 Ferrose wrote:On May 13 2013 19:46 Elem wrote:
Hoping for a good game, but dunno if it will happen. Benfica just lost the title (most likely) in the worst way possible while Chelsea has high morale after Super Frank beating the record and securing the CL spot. Hazard possibly being out is worrying, but I think Benfica's curse in european finals more than compensates for that.
But a good ol' stomp would be fine too. Another trophy for Roman is always another trophy. Really excited to see how it ends! KTBFFH! Fernando Torres scoring a hat trick is at 33/1 odds on SkyBet, put your money down now for the big payday! LOL xD Would fucking pass out in excitement if he did that...xD Also imagine what Gary Neville would be like commentating if he scored a hatrick xD
http://www.garynevillegasm.com/
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On May 13 2013 20:45 duckii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 20:13 Rebs wrote:On May 11 2013 23:44 d00p wrote:On May 04 2013 07:07 Fenrax wrote:On May 04 2013 02:37 sharkie wrote:On May 04 2013 02:03 Dirtyharry wrote:
I'm watching football since ~20years and from the beginning a voice in my mind was getting louder and louder that said "If you want to see great and fantastic football, don't watch the german one". There are many german fan's who feel the same way, they did grow up with this thought.
We won from time to time a few cups or showed good results, but it was never impressive. We did watch to other countrys and saw their starplayers and their huge transfer fees. For me, I realized we were 2nd class in football.
In the year 2000 after a horrible Euro for Germany (out in the groupstage), the german football association (DFB) and the clubs forced an total system change with better Infrastructure, resulting in a better coaching and player education. Because we didn't have had the money for stars our young talents had the chance to compete in the Bundesliga and grow as players.
It's nearly impossible to say how important this Champions League Final for Germany is. There were many downs and not many ups in the last 15years. It feels like the german football did build this sucess with it's own hands. And it's sexy to watch. Yes. I used to dislike German football too but since 2006 they have become really fun to watch, but unfortunately so many people still remember "old" Germany and still hate them to this day. Not only in football :D But yeah, I agree. For many years Germany was this team that was good at headers, tackles, long distance shots and set-pieces. The players were disciplined and physically strong but the play was never technically inspiring. Somehow we always did quite well at World Championships with it but you could easily see that this would not go on for much longer. 1994 and 1998 we were crushed in the quarter finals by mid-tier opponents who just had a better team in that tournament. 2002 we reached the finals but that was pure luck of the draw. The DFB did many things right 13 years ago. In 2000 it was decided that the DFB and all clubs will pump a lot of money into youth support and infrastructure. Now we reap the rewards with players like Neuer, Khedira, Goetze, Reus, Mueller, Draxler, Gündogan, Özil and many others. Agree with almost everything above except 2002. That team was actually pretty good but no one seemed to realize it before the tournament. I for one thought they would do well. It was a great mixture of experience and young rising talent. A Ballack in his prime was the heart of it all. A lot of the players were simply on top form that year. Remember that many of them were Levekusen players who reached the CL finals that same year. .... Ballack was the only player with any flair on that team what youth ? Almost the entire actively playing was nearly 30. Of the top of my head.. uhh Klose and Frings would be mid 20's and Ballack early 20s. Everyone else was a warhorse on that team and they ground it out. Scraping past Paraguay, USA and SK not exactly stellar opposition :p So you forgot Bernd Schneider? But other than him and the ones you mentioned I agree that the team was nothing special. Also Klose was just starting his career and he got much better with age.
and you forgot about metzelder which was an incredible young talent at that time
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On May 13 2013 21:37 MotherOfRunes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:45 duckii wrote:On May 12 2013 20:13 Rebs wrote:On May 11 2013 23:44 d00p wrote:On May 04 2013 07:07 Fenrax wrote:On May 04 2013 02:37 sharkie wrote:On May 04 2013 02:03 Dirtyharry wrote:
I'm watching football since ~20years and from the beginning a voice in my mind was getting louder and louder that said "If you want to see great and fantastic football, don't watch the german one". There are many german fan's who feel the same way, they did grow up with this thought.
We won from time to time a few cups or showed good results, but it was never impressive. We did watch to other countrys and saw their starplayers and their huge transfer fees. For me, I realized we were 2nd class in football.
In the year 2000 after a horrible Euro for Germany (out in the groupstage), the german football association (DFB) and the clubs forced an total system change with better Infrastructure, resulting in a better coaching and player education. Because we didn't have had the money for stars our young talents had the chance to compete in the Bundesliga and grow as players.
It's nearly impossible to say how important this Champions League Final for Germany is. There were many downs and not many ups in the last 15years. It feels like the german football did build this sucess with it's own hands. And it's sexy to watch. Yes. I used to dislike German football too but since 2006 they have become really fun to watch, but unfortunately so many people still remember "old" Germany and still hate them to this day. Not only in football :D But yeah, I agree. For many years Germany was this team that was good at headers, tackles, long distance shots and set-pieces. The players were disciplined and physically strong but the play was never technically inspiring. Somehow we always did quite well at World Championships with it but you could easily see that this would not go on for much longer. 1994 and 1998 we were crushed in the quarter finals by mid-tier opponents who just had a better team in that tournament. 2002 we reached the finals but that was pure luck of the draw. The DFB did many things right 13 years ago. In 2000 it was decided that the DFB and all clubs will pump a lot of money into youth support and infrastructure. Now we reap the rewards with players like Neuer, Khedira, Goetze, Reus, Mueller, Draxler, Gündogan, Özil and many others. Agree with almost everything above except 2002. That team was actually pretty good but no one seemed to realize it before the tournament. I for one thought they would do well. It was a great mixture of experience and young rising talent. A Ballack in his prime was the heart of it all. A lot of the players were simply on top form that year. Remember that many of them were Levekusen players who reached the CL finals that same year. .... Ballack was the only player with any flair on that team what youth ? Almost the entire actively playing was nearly 30. Of the top of my head.. uhh Klose and Frings would be mid 20's and Ballack early 20s. Everyone else was a warhorse on that team and they ground it out. Scraping past Paraguay, USA and SK not exactly stellar opposition :p So you forgot Bernd Schneider? But other than him and the ones you mentioned I agree that the team was nothing special. Also Klose was just starting his career and he got much better with age. and you forgot about metzelder which was an incredible young talent at that time
Yeah and also I never said youth. I said rising young talent. It was definitely rising talent, maybe not that young. And as for the opposition they faced, it's not Germany's fault Argentina, France and Italy (Italy at least made out of their group) went down so early. Spain too, though they weren't considered a real threat back then.
The present day Germany is obviously a lot better, no question. But that team didn't get the respect it deserved back in 2002 is all I'm saying.
Edit. look at Brazil's road to the championship: Belgium, England and Turkey! Now that's a pretty mediocre bunch of teams. Do they not deserve the cup?
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Pandemona, Please don't put Benfica in Green 
I'm still in shock with last saturday's game... So I don't think i'll enjoy this game as much as i could. I hope the players have recovered emotionally.
Less than 24 hours to go!
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On May 15 2013 03:25 d00p wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 21:37 MotherOfRunes wrote:On May 13 2013 20:45 duckii wrote:On May 12 2013 20:13 Rebs wrote:On May 11 2013 23:44 d00p wrote:On May 04 2013 07:07 Fenrax wrote:On May 04 2013 02:37 sharkie wrote:On May 04 2013 02:03 Dirtyharry wrote:
I'm watching football since ~20years and from the beginning a voice in my mind was getting louder and louder that said "If you want to see great and fantastic football, don't watch the german one". There are many german fan's who feel the same way, they did grow up with this thought.
We won from time to time a few cups or showed good results, but it was never impressive. We did watch to other countrys and saw their starplayers and their huge transfer fees. For me, I realized we were 2nd class in football.
In the year 2000 after a horrible Euro for Germany (out in the groupstage), the german football association (DFB) and the clubs forced an total system change with better Infrastructure, resulting in a better coaching and player education. Because we didn't have had the money for stars our young talents had the chance to compete in the Bundesliga and grow as players.
It's nearly impossible to say how important this Champions League Final for Germany is. There were many downs and not many ups in the last 15years. It feels like the german football did build this sucess with it's own hands. And it's sexy to watch. Yes. I used to dislike German football too but since 2006 they have become really fun to watch, but unfortunately so many people still remember "old" Germany and still hate them to this day. Not only in football :D But yeah, I agree. For many years Germany was this team that was good at headers, tackles, long distance shots and set-pieces. The players were disciplined and physically strong but the play was never technically inspiring. Somehow we always did quite well at World Championships with it but you could easily see that this would not go on for much longer. 1994 and 1998 we were crushed in the quarter finals by mid-tier opponents who just had a better team in that tournament. 2002 we reached the finals but that was pure luck of the draw. The DFB did many things right 13 years ago. In 2000 it was decided that the DFB and all clubs will pump a lot of money into youth support and infrastructure. Now we reap the rewards with players like Neuer, Khedira, Goetze, Reus, Mueller, Draxler, Gündogan, Özil and many others. Agree with almost everything above except 2002. That team was actually pretty good but no one seemed to realize it before the tournament. I for one thought they would do well. It was a great mixture of experience and young rising talent. A Ballack in his prime was the heart of it all. A lot of the players were simply on top form that year. Remember that many of them were Levekusen players who reached the CL finals that same year. .... Ballack was the only player with any flair on that team what youth ? Almost the entire actively playing was nearly 30. Of the top of my head.. uhh Klose and Frings would be mid 20's and Ballack early 20s. Everyone else was a warhorse on that team and they ground it out. Scraping past Paraguay, USA and SK not exactly stellar opposition :p So you forgot Bernd Schneider? But other than him and the ones you mentioned I agree that the team was nothing special. Also Klose was just starting his career and he got much better with age. and you forgot about metzelder which was an incredible young talent at that time Yeah and also I never said youth. I said rising young talent.
uhh ok. so where is the talent going to rise for a bunch of 30 year olds who retired a few years later.
the majority of the squad didnt make it to the next euros iirc.
O noes I forgot Medzelder. I guess I shouldve done my homework .. you could add another 2 players and it still doesnt really make it a mix.
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On May 13 2013 21:05 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:55 Pandemona wrote:On May 13 2013 20:03 Ferrose wrote:On May 13 2013 19:46 Elem wrote:
Hoping for a good game, but dunno if it will happen. Benfica just lost the title (most likely) in the worst way possible while Chelsea has high morale after Super Frank beating the record and securing the CL spot. Hazard possibly being out is worrying, but I think Benfica's curse in european finals more than compensates for that.
But a good ol' stomp would be fine too. Another trophy for Roman is always another trophy. Really excited to see how it ends! KTBFFH! Fernando Torres scoring a hat trick is at 33/1 odds on SkyBet, put your money down now for the big payday! LOL xD Would fucking pass out in excitement if he did that...xD Also imagine what Gary Neville would be like commentating if he scored a hatrick xD http://www.garynevillegasm.com/x150
I made the bet so let's hope Torres shows some genius.
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On May 15 2013 06:15 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 21:05 Elem wrote:On May 13 2013 20:55 Pandemona wrote:On May 13 2013 20:03 Ferrose wrote:On May 13 2013 19:46 Elem wrote:
Hoping for a good game, but dunno if it will happen. Benfica just lost the title (most likely) in the worst way possible while Chelsea has high morale after Super Frank beating the record and securing the CL spot. Hazard possibly being out is worrying, but I think Benfica's curse in european finals more than compensates for that.
But a good ol' stomp would be fine too. Another trophy for Roman is always another trophy. Really excited to see how it ends! KTBFFH! Fernando Torres scoring a hat trick is at 33/1 odds on SkyBet, put your money down now for the big payday! LOL xD Would fucking pass out in excitement if he did that...xD Also imagine what Gary Neville would be like commentating if he scored a hatrick xD http://www.garynevillegasm.com/x150 I made the bet so let's hope Torres shows some genius.
Might as well build a cigar with those papers and smoke the money
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>the city of London
Oh please. Benfica will get the treble. WE TREBLE NOW
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On May 15 2013 05:51 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 03:25 d00p wrote:On May 13 2013 21:37 MotherOfRunes wrote:On May 13 2013 20:45 duckii wrote:On May 12 2013 20:13 Rebs wrote:On May 11 2013 23:44 d00p wrote:On May 04 2013 07:07 Fenrax wrote:On May 04 2013 02:37 sharkie wrote:On May 04 2013 02:03 Dirtyharry wrote:
I'm watching football since ~20years and from the beginning a voice in my mind was getting louder and louder that said "If you want to see great and fantastic football, don't watch the german one". There are many german fan's who feel the same way, they did grow up with this thought.
We won from time to time a few cups or showed good results, but it was never impressive. We did watch to other countrys and saw their starplayers and their huge transfer fees. For me, I realized we were 2nd class in football.
In the year 2000 after a horrible Euro for Germany (out in the groupstage), the german football association (DFB) and the clubs forced an total system change with better Infrastructure, resulting in a better coaching and player education. Because we didn't have had the money for stars our young talents had the chance to compete in the Bundesliga and grow as players.
It's nearly impossible to say how important this Champions League Final for Germany is. There were many downs and not many ups in the last 15years. It feels like the german football did build this sucess with it's own hands. And it's sexy to watch. Yes. I used to dislike German football too but since 2006 they have become really fun to watch, but unfortunately so many people still remember "old" Germany and still hate them to this day. Not only in football :D But yeah, I agree. For many years Germany was this team that was good at headers, tackles, long distance shots and set-pieces. The players were disciplined and physically strong but the play was never technically inspiring. Somehow we always did quite well at World Championships with it but you could easily see that this would not go on for much longer. 1994 and 1998 we were crushed in the quarter finals by mid-tier opponents who just had a better team in that tournament. 2002 we reached the finals but that was pure luck of the draw. The DFB did many things right 13 years ago. In 2000 it was decided that the DFB and all clubs will pump a lot of money into youth support and infrastructure. Now we reap the rewards with players like Neuer, Khedira, Goetze, Reus, Mueller, Draxler, Gündogan, Özil and many others. Agree with almost everything above except 2002. That team was actually pretty good but no one seemed to realize it before the tournament. I for one thought they would do well. It was a great mixture of experience and young rising talent. A Ballack in his prime was the heart of it all. A lot of the players were simply on top form that year. Remember that many of them were Levekusen players who reached the CL finals that same year. .... Ballack was the only player with any flair on that team what youth ? Almost the entire actively playing was nearly 30. Of the top of my head.. uhh Klose and Frings would be mid 20's and Ballack early 20s. Everyone else was a warhorse on that team and they ground it out. Scraping past Paraguay, USA and SK not exactly stellar opposition :p So you forgot Bernd Schneider? But other than him and the ones you mentioned I agree that the team was nothing special. Also Klose was just starting his career and he got much better with age. and you forgot about metzelder which was an incredible young talent at that time Yeah and also I never said youth. I said rising young talent. uhh ok. so where is the talent going to rise for a bunch of 30 year olds who retired a few years later. the majority of the squad didnt make it to the next euros iirc. O noes I forgot Medzelder. I guess I shouldve done my homework .. you could add another 2 players and it still doesnt really make it a mix.
ffs read the whole post and the ones before that. Ballack, Klose, Metzelder, Frings were rising to prominence. All Early/Mid twenties. Then there were the warhorses, many of whom had played really strong seasons. It's already been said several times that the team wasn't young on average. Quoting only parts that fit your argument is actually bannable on most forums. This is really off topic, sorry.
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Gonna be rooting for Benfica, they play some awesome attacking football.
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It would be great if Benfica wins, they have gone so long without winning a major title.
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Rooting for Benfica, because yeah screw Chelsea
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Europa League Final!!Wednesday May 15th, Amsterdam Arena, Amsterdam Holland!Kick Off 18:45 GMT (+00:00)![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_Portugal.svg/22px-Flag_of_Portugal.svg.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/32x32/50147.png) Benfica vs Chelsea ![[image loading]](http://www.uefa.com/imgml/TP/teams/logos/32x32/52914.png) ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png) + Show Spoiler [Result!] ++ Show Spoiler [Champions!] +Team News! Chelsea+ Show Spoiler [Team News] +
Chelsea forward Eden Hazard has been ruled out with a hamstring problem, with the Belgian forward having been unable to shake off an injury which forced him out of Saturday's 2-1 victory over Aston Villa.
Captain John Terry, who was also withdrawn early from the Villa Park clash with an ankle injury, will continue to be monitored, while John Obi Mikel, who has sat out the Blues' last four matches with a hip problem, and Ryan Bertrand, who has been nursing a knee complaint, have been included in Benitez's 25-man travelling party.
Oriol Romeu, who has not featured since rupturing his anterior cruciate ligament in December, also flew out with the Blues, along with Nathan Ake, who did not play in Monday night's FA Youth Cup final second leg.
Senegalese striker Demba Ba is cup-tied having turned out earlier in the competition for Newcastle, but Ramires and David Luiz are in contention to figure against their former employers.
Benfica+ Show Spoiler [Team News] +
Benfica have no fresh injury concerns to contend with heading into the game, but will be without the services of Maxi Pereira as he must serve a suspension.
Lorenzo Malgarejo is expected to slot in at left-back, with Almeida, who filled that position against Porto on Saturday, switching to the right-hand side.
The only other change Jesus is expected to make will see Ola John replaced by top scorer Oscar Cardozo, with the Paraguayan frontman going in search of his ninth European goal of a productive campaign.
Nemanja Matic will be desperate to show Chelsea what they allowed to slip through their fingers in 2011, with the Serbian midfielder - who made just two Premier League appearances for the Blues - having seen his game go from strength to strength since making a move to Lisbon.
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On May 15 2013 16:31 d00p wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 05:51 Rebs wrote:On May 15 2013 03:25 d00p wrote:On May 13 2013 21:37 MotherOfRunes wrote:On May 13 2013 20:45 duckii wrote:On May 12 2013 20:13 Rebs wrote:On May 11 2013 23:44 d00p wrote:On May 04 2013 07:07 Fenrax wrote:On May 04 2013 02:37 sharkie wrote:On May 04 2013 02:03 Dirtyharry wrote:
I'm watching football since ~20years and from the beginning a voice in my mind was getting louder and louder that said "If you want to see great and fantastic football, don't watch the german one". There are many german fan's who feel the same way, they did grow up with this thought.
We won from time to time a few cups or showed good results, but it was never impressive. We did watch to other countrys and saw their starplayers and their huge transfer fees. For me, I realized we were 2nd class in football.
In the year 2000 after a horrible Euro for Germany (out in the groupstage), the german football association (DFB) and the clubs forced an total system change with better Infrastructure, resulting in a better coaching and player education. Because we didn't have had the money for stars our young talents had the chance to compete in the Bundesliga and grow as players.
It's nearly impossible to say how important this Champions League Final for Germany is. There were many downs and not many ups in the last 15years. It feels like the german football did build this sucess with it's own hands. And it's sexy to watch. Yes. I used to dislike German football too but since 2006 they have become really fun to watch, but unfortunately so many people still remember "old" Germany and still hate them to this day. Not only in football :D But yeah, I agree. For many years Germany was this team that was good at headers, tackles, long distance shots and set-pieces. The players were disciplined and physically strong but the play was never technically inspiring. Somehow we always did quite well at World Championships with it but you could easily see that this would not go on for much longer. 1994 and 1998 we were crushed in the quarter finals by mid-tier opponents who just had a better team in that tournament. 2002 we reached the finals but that was pure luck of the draw. The DFB did many things right 13 years ago. In 2000 it was decided that the DFB and all clubs will pump a lot of money into youth support and infrastructure. Now we reap the rewards with players like Neuer, Khedira, Goetze, Reus, Mueller, Draxler, Gündogan, Özil and many others. Agree with almost everything above except 2002. That team was actually pretty good but no one seemed to realize it before the tournament. I for one thought they would do well. It was a great mixture of experience and young rising talent. A Ballack in his prime was the heart of it all. A lot of the players were simply on top form that year. Remember that many of them were Levekusen players who reached the CL finals that same year. .... Ballack was the only player with any flair on that team what youth ? Almost the entire actively playing was nearly 30. Of the top of my head.. uhh Klose and Frings would be mid 20's and Ballack early 20s. Everyone else was a warhorse on that team and they ground it out. Scraping past Paraguay, USA and SK not exactly stellar opposition :p So you forgot Bernd Schneider? But other than him and the ones you mentioned I agree that the team was nothing special. Also Klose was just starting his career and he got much better with age. and you forgot about metzelder which was an incredible young talent at that time Yeah and also I never said youth. I said rising young talent. uhh ok. so where is the talent going to rise for a bunch of 30 year olds who retired a few years later. the majority of the squad didnt make it to the next euros iirc. O noes I forgot Medzelder. I guess I shouldve done my homework .. you could add another 2 players and it still doesnt really make it a mix. ffs read the whole post and the ones before that. Ballack, Klose, Metzelder, Frings were rising to prominence. All Early/Mid twenties. Then there were the warhorses, many of whom had played really strong seasons. It's already been said several times that the team wasn't young on average. Quoting only parts that fit your argument is actually bannable on most forums. This is really off topic, sorry.
so is backseat moderating. Look that team wasnt particularly impressive on paper, theres a reason they performed better than expected.
Does it make them a great team ? No, the quality of play in their games was mediocrish at best. It doesnt take anything away from what they achieved but the team was not impressive to watch in anyway
Just like you wouldnt call the greek team that won the euros an impressive team. Hell Turkey played better football than they did that world cup.]
+ Show Spoiler +Also theres no point in a general apology for going off topic, if it bothers you then dont do it. The apology is self serving.
On a more serious note, I want Cardozo to have the game of his life today.
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^ Still no argument to oppose what I said originally. Just wanted to disagree so bad you failed basic reading comprehension. Apology is self serving? LOL. Posting on forums is pretty self serving in gereral. Pointless is what it is so I'm going to stop now.
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Go benfica! Lets get back our place in european football!
Please make us proud 
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Omggggg Chelsea fans are fucking awesome. I was in the subway full of Chelsea fans and it was fucking craaazy. I'm gonna go Amsterdam centre to watch this.
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On May 16 2013 02:47 d00p wrote:
^ Still no argument to oppose what I said originally. Just wanted to disagree so bad you failed basic reading comprehension. Apology is self serving? LOL. Posting on forums is pretty self serving in gereral. Pointless is what it is so I'm going to stop now.
Yea said it was an under rated team. It wasnt, it was a mediocre team that did better than expected because even relatively poor teams can out perform.
If you wanted to stop you wouldve stopped.
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