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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
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Pangolin
United States1035 Posts
This game also marks the first time an MLS team has knocked out a mexican team in the current format of the CCL. As a side note I really wish European football leagues would release highlights for games officially instead of having to go to some shady site to find them. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
 Great atmosphere and great game, funny how the goals didn't gain much from the one man advantage. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On March 13 2013 15:20 Pangolin wrote: I just got back from this awesome Concacaf Champion's League game. There's a couple of really nice goals in the comeback win. Liverpool fans may recognize the scorer of the most amazing goal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED1q4-2Juso This game also marks the first time an MLS team has knocked out a mexican team in the current format of the CCL. As a side note I really wish European football leagues would release highlights for games officially instead of having to go to some shady site to find them. Yeah, problem is that broadcasting channels have the rights to publish those.. there's a Dutch site which handles the Dutch highlights but you can watch the highlights a day after or so for free. On the day itself you have to use an account which is just silly. Anyway, I always use www.goalsarena.org. It's not too shady, not too ad-heavy and it's a decent site which scours the internet for highlights with some automated system. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
 Still though each of those goals from the sounders were incredible. Dat long shot from traore. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On March 13 2013 15:20 Pangolin wrote: I just got back from this awesome Concacaf Champion's League game. There's a couple of really nice goals in the comeback win. Liverpool fans may recognize the scorer of the most amazing goal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED1q4-2Juso This game also marks the first time an MLS team has knocked out a mexican team in the current format of the CCL. As a side note I really wish European football leagues would release highlights for games officially instead of having to go to some shady site to find them. It was about time MLS teams show they can compete with the Mexican teams, past results were sort of embarassing. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On March 13 2013 21:26 sc4k wrote: It was a nice comeback but dampened by the fact they had a one man advantage. Now...beating a team like Barcelona when you are one man DOWN, in their home stadium...with no centre backs due to injuries and sending offs...that's when the real magic happens Still though each of those goals from the sounders were incredible. Dat long shot from traore. Damn you really are a hater of Barcelona... So what, their comeback was not great because they were 11vs10? That's plain dumb, if they are 11vs10 it's because they pushed the other team to make mistakes and lose a man, not because a random cyclon took one man away... When the red card is unjustified it could almost make sense but that's not the case. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On March 13 2013 21:46 WillyWanker wrote: Damn you really are a hater of Barcelona... So what, their comeback was not great because they were 11vs10? That's plain dumb, if they are 11vs10 it's because they pushed the other team to make mistakes and lose a man, not because a random cyclon took one man away... When the red card is unjustified it could almost make sense but that's not the case. How did what I say have anything to do with hating on Barcelona? If anything, the magnificence of Chelsea's win comes from the fact that Barca were/are the best team in the world. You must just like arguing for the sake of arguing. Winning 11vs10 is always less impressive than winning 11vs11, it doesn't matter how the sending off occurs. It's just obvious. Just like winning 11vs9 is less impressive than winning 11vs10. You have men over, you have less difficulty scoring goals. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On March 13 2013 21:58 sc4k wrote: How did what I say have anything to do with hating on Barcelona? If anything, the magnificence of Chelsea's win comes from the fact that Barca were/are the best team in the world. You must just like arguing for the sake of arguing. Winning 11vs10 is always less impressive than winning 11vs11, it doesn't matter how the sending off occurs. It's just obvious. Just like winning 11vs9 is less impressive than winning 11vs10. You have men over, you have less difficulty scoring goals. I'm not only talking about your last post. And the 'magnificence' was only felt by Chelsea fans, because the rest of the world saw a billionaire team play like Stoke on a winter night... Anyway, that's just how I feel about everything you say that is linked directly or indirectly to Barcelona, and it's annoying me x) No Barca fans hate Chelsea, Chelsea fans hate Barca because they think we robbed you when we had nothing to do with what happened in Stanford Bridge several years ago. It was the referee. Plus, get over it already. You know nothing about football if you're saying that making a guy leave the pitch with a red card isn't a proof that you're doing good there. It can happen that the red card is totaly random and sometimes undeserved (Nani's one being the most recent I can recall being this type of red), but in this case it was not this at all. The guy did a foul (I guess, from the video) + lost time by kicking the ball. That's not the reaction of a guy who is confident in winning the game easily. So it has something to do with the team he's playing against, and that means it's part of Seattle's victory. If a team is doing everything good and the other one is just making fouls after foiuls, resulting in yellow and red cards, if they score later thanks to that, then the red cards were part of the victory. It's like saying 'yeah but they scored on a corner it doesn't count'; well you create a corner opportunity, it's not a random thing happening... | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Let's have a poll: Poll: More impressive to comeback 11vs11 rather than 11vs10? Yes, it is more impressive to comeback 11vs11 (11) They are equally impressive. (2) No, it is more impressive to comeback 11vs10. (1) 14 total votes Your vote: More impressive to comeback 11vs11 rather than 11vs10? (Vote): Yes, it is more impressive to comeback 11vs11 On March 13 2013 22:46 WillyWanker wrote: I'm not only talking about your last post. And the 'magnificence' was only felt by Chelsea fans, because the rest of the world saw a billionaire team play like Stoke on a winter night... Anyway, that's just how I feel about everything you say that is linked directly or indirectly to Barcelona, and it's annoying me x) No Barca fans hate Chelsea, Chelsea fans hate Barca because they think we robbed you when we had nothing to do with what happened in Stanford Bridge several years ago. It was the referee. Plus, get over it already. Well I can guarantee you that the annoyance is felt both ways. And the magnificence of the win was not just felt by Chelsea fans, of course there was luck involved so plenty of people say 'it was just lucky', but many others say to me (regardless of the team they support) 'that was an incredible feat of survival, if my team did that I would be amazed'. I have said time and again that I hate the way Barca play. I don't hate the players, and I don't hate the team, and I don't hate the region of the country. I have masses of friends from barcelona, they are all very nice. I just hate any team which relies on 80% possession tactics, passing backwards a lot, lateral passing movements, basically playing like a cheap sweaty douchebag on fifa. When Man U play like that it pisses me off too, and I am the first to complain about it. Unfortunately Barca are the biggest offender in that regard right now. I like a 50:50 match of football, it's what excites me, so watching Barca play is often extremely boring. And I remind you that I supported Barca in the 90s, I even had a Barca team shirt. I do not hate on barca, I hate on their style of play. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
It would be, don't get me wrong, only though if they played like that with inferior teams, consistently. You don't see them defending with their lives against the bottom half of premiership do you? Thus they were forced to play like that against barca. The way you talk sc4k just shows that you can't accept the fact that your team is not good enough to play the way barca play even if they tried. And barca never passes the ball around aimlessly, didn't you see the game yesterday? It was chance after chance and it only cooled down for the last 15mins or so. When barca dictates the pace of the game they never go passive. Or have you forgotten how many high score games they had against top teams that tried to play open football? It just seems they play passively when the other team is overdoing it with defending, not allowing beautiful football to be played. aka inter, chelsea, real until last year(they are coping better this season). Ofc you can be one of those people that enjoy catenaccio, to which I can't reply anything, enjoy your team I guess. | ||
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
amazing goal anyway,that scattered audience made some noise | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 13 2013 23:31 Steveling wrote: I like how chelsea fans act like chelseas defending is "a style of play". It would be, don't get me wrong, only though if they played like that with inferior teams, consistently. You don't see them defending with their lives against the bottom half of premiership do you? Thus they were forced to play like that against barca. The way you talk sc4k just shows that you can't accept the fact that your team is not good enough to play the way barca play even if they tried. And barca never passes the ball around aimlessly, didn't you see the game yesterday? It was chance after chance and it only cooled down for the last 15mins or so. When barca dictates the pace of the game they never go passive. Or have you forgotten how many high score games they had against top teams that tried to play open football? It just seems they play passively when the other team is overdoing it with defending, not allowing beautiful football to be played. aka inter, chelsea, real until last year(they are coping better this season). Ofc you can be one of those people that enjoy catenaccio, to which I can't reply anything, enjoy your team I guess. It is a style of play. Football snobs just get condescending and arrogant when it leads to Barcelona getting beaten. It's the style of play that can succeed against Barcelona's tactics. People like you need to grow up and accept that there are different ways to play the game. Edit: I mean really, I don't see this in any American sports, where when the team that is obviously the greatest overall gets beaten, people from all over make bullshit condescending excuses like this. Yea, people complain about ref's a lot (in every sport), but y'all need to grow up. Barcelona got beaten fair and square in a two-leg semifinal. They couldn't adapt to a different tactic and there aren't any excuses for it. traore and world class in the same phrase.only in the us. amazing goal anyway,that scattered audience made some noise Those were two fantastic shots from Sounders players, and you're crazy if you think otherwise. Also, That's in Seattle, which has the most dedicated football fanbase in the U.S. They tend to make just as much sound as French and Spanish fans. They sell out pretty much every single game at a capacity of 38,000 (usually over-selling by several thousand, as the stadium is expandable). | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On March 13 2013 23:31 Steveling wrote: I like how chelsea fans act like chelseas defending is "a style of play". It would be, don't get me wrong, only though if they played like that with inferior teams, consistently. You don't see them defending with their lives against the bottom half of premiership do you? Thus they were forced to play like that against barca. The way you talk sc4k just shows that you can't accept the fact that your team is not good enough to play the way barca play even if they tried. And barca never passes the ball around aimlessly, didn't you see the game yesterday? It was chance after chance and it only cooled down for the last 15mins or so. When barca dictates the pace of the game they never go passive. Or have you forgotten how many high score games they had against top teams that tried to play open football? It just seems they play passively when the other team is overdoing it with defending, not allowing beautiful football to be played. aka inter, chelsea, real until last year(they are coping better this season). Ofc you can be one of those people that enjoy catenaccio, to which I can't reply anything, enjoy your team I guess. Reason you lost to us last season is plain and simple. You didn't have David Villa. Reason you overturned that result you had yesterday, David Villa was playing, plain and simple. Before you comment, just think about what i wrote and you will know it makes sense. If not i will have to post an essay response detailing why Barca are a much harder to face against when David Villa is playing and when he is not. | ||
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
and then they play like they did last year ....and they win thats football | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On March 13 2013 23:31 Steveling wrote: 1) I like how chelsea fans act like chelseas defending is "a style of play". It would be, don't get me wrong, only though if they played like that with inferior teams, consistently. You don't see them defending with their lives against the bottom half of premiership do you? Thus they were forced to play like that against barca. 2) The way you talk sc4k just shows that you can't accept the fact that your team is not good enough to play the way barca play even if they tried. 3) And barca never passes the ball around aimlessly, didn't you see the game yesterday? It was chance after chance and it only cooled down for the last 15mins or so. When barca dictates the pace of the game they never go passive. Or have you forgotten how many high score games they had against top teams that tried to play open football? 4) It just seems they play passively when the other team is overdoing it with defending, not allowing beautiful football to be played. aka inter, chelsea, real until last year(they are coping better this season). 1) I personally don't consider the way Chelsea played against Barca last year as a style of play, it was more a result of the way Barca play. Their team with smaller players who are fast and good on the ball, with the objective of forming triangles all the time, really dictated the way Chelsea had to play. I agree with everything you said there. It was still an incredible performance and almost more incredible because it was not the way they had practiced but the way they were forced to play. 2) I don't care how good my team is. You don't seem to be able to accept the distinction between appreciation of football and supporting a club. I support my club regardless of what happens to them, where they end up or how they play. But I am not going to say I like their play style if I don't. If we win using a dirty or lame style like Barca then I will be happy for us, but I will not tell people that we played perfect football. There was nothing majestic about Chelsea vs Barca or Bayern, but I was ecstatic and there was something magical in the resilience displayed against pretty crushing odds. 3) They don't pass the ball around aimlessly, that's true, but they don't attack the goal anywhere like as much as their possession would dictate. They circle around the 30 yard mark for absolutely ages before making attacks. They pass laterally and backwards in order to tire out the opposition. It's not attractive to watch. It's impressive, and respectable, but not attractive. The way Real plays against top teams in the CL is INFINITELY better to watch. Lunge, counter lunge, attack, counter attack, riposte parry. Barca playing most teams is just like a matador slowly killing a bull. Which I never enjoyed the idea of or the sight of! 4) I believe Barca play beautiful football much more rarely than any other big team, even when their opponents are opening up on them. They are, for me, very efficient and cutthroat. The lack of variety in their goals is also boring. It's not about the fact that they are dominant, it's the fact that they use their dominant skills and abilities in the most irritating way. I think you need to play fifa a bit to understand what I am talking about. Some people play you in the way that they try to attack, you get the ball, you try to attack, they get the ball. You have a fun back and forth game and equal chances. And someone produces some magic to give you the victory. However some people (barca style) will pump their team full of ball-players and literally refuse to give you possession. It's extremely aggravating and never makes for a fun game. I can do it. I have a team that I regularly get 75% possession with if I want to. It's all about valuing possession over medium chances to score. But it sucks to do, and I hate to play against it. It's just boring boring football. On March 14 2013 00:06 Stratos_speAr wrote: I mean really, I don't see this in any American sports, where when the team that is obviously the greatest overall gets beaten, people from all over make bullshit condescending excuses like this. Yea, people complain about ref's a lot (in every sport), but y'all need to grow up. Barcelona got beaten fair and square in a two-leg semifinal. They couldn't adapt to a different tactic and there aren't any excuses for it. This is a seriously good point. It's one of my favourite things about American sports. There is so much less snobbery. Underdog teams are applauded for winning. Teams which have all the qualities necessary to triumph but fail are examined for their mistakes. The whole ethos of American sports is surrounded by the concept 'any given day'. That's why they have one cup, which is also the way all the accolades of the regular season are dished out. It's so much cooler and more exciting. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
On March 13 2013 21:32 Maenander wrote: It was about time MLS teams show they can compete with the Mexican teams, past results were sort of embarassing. Not to burst your bubble or anything but Tigres only played 3 bench first team players, no starters, The rest were all reserve/youth players. To make things worse, Tigres were actually winning with that team until the red card. | ||
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