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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On December 31 2012 17:32 Pandemona wrote: Whats that rant all about? ^_^ Blatter yesterday (?) said that MLS wasn't a professional league, american fans have (rightfully) been on the warpath because of that. Sure, quality isn't as high as in Europe/South America, but we should be happy it's growing in the US (even though they have a shitty league system imo) - can only help soccer as a whole. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On December 31 2012 18:25 DragoonTT wrote: Blatter yesterday (?) said that MLS wasn't a professional league, american fans have (rightfully) been on the warpath because of that. Sure, quality isn't as high as in Europe/South America, but we should be happy it's growing in the US (even though they have a shitty league system imo) - can only help soccer as a whole. Oooo thanks for clearing that up. Yeah i guess that rant was fine then. Blatter knows nothng, guy is the worst head of of Football i have known, can't wait until he dissapears. Yes the MLS doesn't have amazing world class players, but it is no different to say any of the lesser divisions/leagues around Europe? They get to the semi finals/finals of their version of the champions league too with Mexican teams, so they are not all that bad. Transfer News Demba Ba representatives have said "They doubt Demba Ba will be moving to Chelsea after a lackluster meeting with Chelsea officials" | ||
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
On December 31 2012 18:33 Pandemona wrote: Demba Ba representatives have said "They doubt Demba Ba will be moving to Chelsea after a lackluster meeting with Chelsea officials" looks like the guy wants big salary | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On December 31 2012 18:33 Pandemona wrote: Oooo thanks for clearing that up. Yeah i guess that rant was fine then. Blatter knows nothng, guy is the worst head of of Football i have known, can't wait until he dissapears. Yes the MLS doesn't have amazing world class players, but it is no different to say any of the lesser divisions/leagues around Europe? They get to the semi finals/finals of their version of the champions league too with Mexican teams, so they are not all that bad. Transfer News Demba Ba representatives have said "They doubt Demba Ba will be moving to Chelsea after a lackluster meeting with Chelsea officials" Somehow everyone wants Blatter gone but I can't see him leaving before he reaches the age of 100. | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
On December 31 2012 21:13 RvB wrote: Somehow everyone wants Blatter gone but I can't see him leaving before he reaches the age of 100. It's hard to take a man down when you know he can easily take you down with you. The amount of untaxed money in football is just huge, and pretty much everyone got a piece, so they can't really blame Blatter that much. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On December 31 2012 18:26 Sated wrote: All American sports have a shitty league system. Have you seen the sheer chaos that is the NFL league system? It's quite cute :3 Yes, the NFL is a fucking joke (complete commercialization of the sport, asinine rules, there's more downtime/commercial time than there is time actually playing the game), but that's no reason to shit on the NHL or NBA. MLB might be fine, but I just despise baseball, so I don't know. On topic, lets take a second and remember that European soccer isn't some shining beacon of awesomeness. I'm a huge fan of German and English soccer (even more than American sports) and I'm ready to admit this. Yes, there are some good things about European soccer when compared to American soccer and football, but there are plenty of things wrong with it; 1) an incredible lack of competition when compared to American sports La Liga, Since 2000 (4): Real Madrid x5 Barcelona x5 Valencia Deportivo La Coruna EPL, Since 2000 (4): Manchester United x7 Chelsea x3 Arsenal x2 Manchester City Bundesliga, Since 2000 (5): Bayern Munich x7 Borrusia Dortmund x3 VfL Wolfsburg Werder Bremen VfB Stuttgart NFL, since 2000 (9): New England Patriots x3 Pittsburgh Steelers x2 New York Giants x2 Baltimore Ravens St. Louis Rams Tampa Bay Buccaneers New Orleans Saints Green Bay Packers Indianapolis Colts NBA, since 2000 (6): Los Angeles Lakers x5 San Antonio Spurs x3 Miami Heat x2 Dallas Mavericks Boston Celtics Detroit Pistons NHL, since 2000 (10): New Jersey Devils x2 Detroit Red Wings Tampa Bay Lightning Colorado Avalanche Carolina Hurricanes Anaheim Ducks Pittsburgh Penguins Chicago Blackhawks Boston Bruins Los Angeles Kings You might try to say "Well the playoff system allows the team that isn't the best to win". This is entirely false, sine the NHL and NBA use best-of-7 series at each round of the playoffs. It might be true for the NFL, but then again, it can be argued that the nature of American football 1) does not lend itself to best-of-x games, 2) it's part of the game to play your best and win in any one game, and 3) football isn't a game where the better team will just lose on a "bad day". 2) rampant diving and play-acting. I don't even need to bring up a video for this, it's basically a known fact. This seriously compromises the integrity of the game at times, especially when players get free kicks from something that is obviously not a foul. 3) the incredible resistance to adapting to new times and technology to assist officials in getting calls correct more often. We see this. A lot. Refs miss handball calls, give free kicks or penalties off of dives, or give goals where there wasn't one (Chelsea?) or don't give goals when there was one (England vs. Germany, World Cup?). 4) and the incredibly shady business that goes on in FIFA (World Cup in Quatar?!). MLS is a professional league (even if the quality of play is lower) and Blatter is just some old prick that deserves absolutely zero respect. His arrogance is completely unfounded and he needs to take a hard look at some of the serious problems that European soccer has. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
The other points are all right and it shames me actually to be a fan of football... | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Point 2 is an ok point to make, but im sure there is alot of annoyance in American sports similar to diving? I don't know to much about American sports apart from the rules and i catch about 10 games of each sport a year (baseball/american football/hockey/basketball) but im sure there is some sort of dishonest play they all do in it? But yes diving is a problem Point 3, yes that is a good point but when you add into the fact that football is a world wide sport, and European football can't just say they are going to play with these rules, and south America say they are not, it is run by just FIFA the world governing body they are the only ones who can make changes to the rules. They fail to act upon this (well they are kinda acting now after that world cup incident). Technology will never be fully added to the game of football because it is to fast paced. The best games of football are the ones that are end to end (well get most viewers, or most people raving about it) to add in stop and start decsion making into this would just destroy the game. I'm all for goal line technology though which is finally being introduced, most likely in 2013/14 season. Point 4, the world cup is meant to go anywhere in the world, who puts a bid in and has things like a legacy to it. Russia first time to host a world cup, and it is such a big country it deserves to host a world cup. Qatar will become the first middle eastern country to host a world cup, another big milestone, that is how world cup hosts are picked. Yes there can be points made that maybe bribes were given out to him or her, but i am not bothered that world cup 2022 is going to be in Qatar it will be interesting to see how they cope with 10000s of foreigners in there country. I have no problems with the MLS and i think Blatter is a joke for what he said. He wont be around for much longer though, so that is a positive, he can say whatever he wants and he does eventually back down and go back on what he said. Ala he said "there will never be goal line technology in football along as i am head of FIFA" 6months later the first trials began ^_^ FIFA is a good organization in a way though, we have never had the problems NFL/NHL/NBA/MLB have had with officials going on strike, or players going on strike which is always a good thing. (Scotland officials went on strike, but ffs Scottish football is like rugby, it's shocking) It just needs a better way of electing a new head of FIFA. It should be every 5 years a change in the guy at the top. Or maybe you can only be the head of FIFA for 10years maximum, not 100 like fkn Blatter >.< | ||
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
On January 01 2013 01:38 Pandemona wrote: Point 1 is invalid to compare american league winners vs European football winners. As you have a draft where the worst team have the best pick the following season, so it is only natural the team who wins has the worst picks and don't normally win back to back titles... Point 2 is an ok point to make, but im sure there is alot of annoyance in American sports similar to diving? I don't know to much about American sports apart from the rules and i catch about 10 games of each sport a year (baseball/american football/hockey/basketball) but im sure there is some sort of dishonest play they all do in it? But yes diving is a problem Point 3, yes that is a good point but when you add into the fact that football is a world wide sport, and European football can't just say they are going to play with these rules, and south America say they are not, it is run by just FIFA the world governing body they are the only ones who can make changes to the rules. They fail to act upon this (well they are kinda acting now after that world cup incident). Technology will never be fully added to the game of football because it is to fast paced. The best games of football are the ones that are end to end (well get most viewers, or most people raving about it) to add in stop and start decsion making into this would just destroy the game. I'm all for goal line technology though which is finally being introduced, most likely in 2013/14 season. Point 4, the world cup is meant to go anywhere in the world, who puts a bid in and has things like a legacy to it. Russia first time to host a world cup, and it is such a big country it deserves to host a world cup. Qatar will become the first middle eastern country to host a world cup, another big milestone, that is how world cup hosts are picked. Yes there can be points made that maybe bribes were given out to him or her, but i am not bothered that world cup 2022 is going to be in Qatar it will be interesting to see how they cope with 10000s of foreigners in there country. I have no problems with the MLS and i think Blatter is a joke for what he said. He wont be around for much longer though, so that is a positive, he can say whatever he wants and he does eventually back down and go back on what he said. Ala he said "there will never be goal line technology in football along as i am head of FIFA" 6months later the first trials began ^_^ FIFA is a good organization in a way though, we have never had the problems NFL/NHL/NBA/MLB have had with officials going on strike, or players going on strike which is always a good thing. (Scotland officials went on strike, but ffs Scottish football is like rugby, it's shocking) It just needs a better way of electing a new head of FIFA. It should be every 5 years a change in the guy at the top. Or maybe you can only be the head of FIFA for 10years maximum, not 100 like fkn Blatter >.< major decision making done by technology would never ever ruin the live game because when its done by referees during the game both teams swarm the ref and argue for MINUTES. TV has usually repeated the scene 100x times before normal play is continued. You cant tell me a major decision done by technology would slower the game. Its already slowed due the decisions (wrong or not) itself. I am 100% for technology based decision on yellow-red, red cards and goals | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
And ok, if technology was introduced how would it work? Someone goes down under a challenge in the box? What happens, the game stops? or carries on until the 4th official looking at screen goes, actually that was a penalty? Or will it be the ref stopping the game asking if that was a penalty or not? Or will it be only used on decisions the ref gives? He blows the whistle gives the penalty then they check it back on the screen if it is one or not? Slows the game down even more....On top of that, the clock is still going, so there will be like 5-10minutes of added time each game >.< | ||
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Terran5
Germany41 Posts
On December 31 2012 20:37 BeaTeR wrote: https://twitter.com/PeteGravesSky/status/285670908545339393 https://twitter.com/PeteGravesSky/status/285675484447117313 looks like the guy wants big salary Look how he forced his way out of Hoffenheim. He is just a greedy bastard. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 01 2013 01:38 Pandemona wrote: Point 1 is invalid to compare american league winners vs European football winners. As you have a draft where the worst team have the best pick the following season, so it is only natural the team who wins has the worst picks and don't normally win back to back titles... Exactly my point. American sports have the spirit of competition built into them; drafts, salary caps, etc. You simply don't see this in European soccer, and it's really annoying. Why the hell would I ever want to watch Spanish soccer? Aside from the fact that I passionately despise Spanish soccer about as much as I hate the Green Bay Packers, it just isn't interesting when the same two teams are the only ones that are ever competing to win. Point 2 is an ok point to make, but im sure there is alot of annoyance in American sports similar to diving? I don't know to much about American sports apart from the rules and i catch about 10 games of each sport a year (baseball/american football/hockey/basketball) but im sure there is some sort of dishonest play they all do in it? But yes diving is a problem There are dirty tactics in every sport, but diving is usually seen as the worst because it's basically a grown man throwing a temper tantrum on field and getting rewarded for it as opposed to dirty plays in football/basketball/hockey which are usually dirty hits instead of crying about getting tapped in the shin by someone's toe or getting poked by someone's left pinkie finger. Point 3, yes that is a good point but when you add into the fact that football is a world wide sport, and European football can't just say they are going to play with these rules, and south America say they are not, it is run by just FIFA the world governing body they are the only ones who can make changes to the rules. They fail to act upon this (well they are kinda acting now after that world cup incident). Technology will never be fully added to the game of football because it is to fast paced. The best games of football are the ones that are end to end (well get most viewers, or most people raving about it) to add in stop and start decsion making into this would just destroy the game. I'm all for goal line technology though which is finally being introduced, most likely in 2013/14 season. Yes, there are some complications in this debate (I don't even support turning soccer into what American football is with the reviews all the time), but there are some clear ways that they could've added video review in a long time ago so we would at least always get goal calls correct. Point 4, the world cup is meant to go anywhere in the world, who puts a bid in and has things like a legacy to it. Russia first time to host a world cup, and it is such a big country it deserves to host a world cup. Qatar will become the first middle eastern country to host a world cup, another big milestone, that is how world cup hosts are picked. Yes there can be points made that maybe bribes were given out to him or her, but i am not bothered that world cup 2022 is going to be in Qatar it will be interesting to see how they cope with 10000s of foreigners in there country. You just throw in this comment and brush it aside like it's no big deal. This is the problem. I have no problems with the MLS and i think Blatter is a joke for what he said. He wont be around for much longer though, so that is a positive, he can say whatever he wants and he does eventually back down and go back on what he said. Ala he said "there will never be goal line technology in football along as i am head of FIFA" 6months later the first trials began ^_^ FIFA is a good organization in a way though, we have never had the problems NFL/NHL/NBA/MLB have had with officials going on strike, or players going on strike which is always a good thing. (Scotland officials went on strike, but ffs Scottish football is like rugby, it's shocking) It just needs a better way of electing a new head of FIFA. It should be every 5 years a change in the guy at the top. Or maybe you can only be the head of FIFA for 10years maximum, not 100 like fkn Blatter >.< I'm not saying that FIFA sucks and American sports are awesome, I'm just pointing out that Blatter doesn't have any kind of pedestal to stand on; while American sports have plenty of problems, European soccer has just as many (albeit different) problems. Unfortunately the only point I can disagree with you is #2 and that only with the German league, because Bundesliga is quite against that. The other points are all right and it shames me actually to be a fan of football... Yea, the Bundesliga is pretty tough on diving, but it's still there (Robben?). | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
I actually think that the worst system is the MLB system. Where you basically have the same concept of club size as football but there isn't relegation or promotion so shit teams will be eternally shit and very rarely get any sort of honour or recognition at all, barring moneyball type one offs. (In football that's why we have open cups and of course relegation: because you get the thrill of competing for promotion in the previous division or for some silverware). | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
Don't get me wrong i love football, watch it at least once a week, the game itself is the beautiful game for a reason, although the actual game itself i would argue is much more beautiful than NFL, the way they run the NFL makes up for its lack of beauty, because its run just sooo much better. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 01 2013 04:12 UdderChaos wrote: Being English pretty much born and bred football, and i have to say, after getting into NFL about 4 years ago, its run at a laughably better level than European football, makes us look like tools. With our prehistoric refereeing system, no accountability for cheats, thugs, bad referees, linesman, unruly managers. Our shambolic attempt to run a European cup(the champions league) that is too much of a drain on top teams normal season for them to preform as they should in such a prestigious cup, and usually in modern times encourages ultra-defensive tactics by the lesser clubs to compete, ending in boring champions league finals and quarterfinals. The archaic system of red cards and penalties, which ruin the game, and encourage diving. The murky at best, incoherent at worst rules, such as the offside rule, phases of play and what actually constitutes as "obstructing the play", and at what point is a player diving if contact is made, how can you tell whether the force of the contact was enough to make the player fall? Its hard to tell with computer analysis let alone a flawed human eye quite a few meters away. And then there's the issue fairness of the whole structure of football, the transfer market, money distribution from tv deals(looking at you spain!), lack of wage caps, promotion system and lastly the ability for a billionaire to bankroll/bankrupt a franchise, its about as fair as the south African apartheid. It's embarrassing. Don't get me wrong i love football, watch it at least once a week, the game itself is the beautiful game for a reason, although the actual game itself i would argue is much more beautiful than NFL, the way they run the NFL makes up for its lack of beauty, because its run just sooo much better. I find it odd that you would pick the NFL, of all things, as the example of something that is run well. At least here, many consider the NFL a joke. The sole purpose of the administration is to milk American football for more money; almost every move they make is to simply get a larger paycheck. They continually try to increase the season length and increase the size of the playoffs (both to the extreme detriment of the players, who already have a tough time with a 16 week regular season in a sport that is this dangerous). Ticket prices are fucking absurd; I had a $50 "processing charge" on my nosebleed tickets for the season opening game of Minnesota vs. Jacksonville - doubled my ticket price. Not only that, they find more and more ways to squeeze in commercials and advertisements; if you go to a live football game, they have "time out on the field" which is simply code for "commercial break". Yes, they stop the game so more commercials can be played. The rules system is also horrendous; I actually prefer soccer rules to football ones. Every single rule and every possible scenario is written down; the rulebook for the NFL has to be longer than an English dictionary. Some of the rules are also absolutely ridiculous (see Detroit vs. Houston, Thanksgiving day) and penalties are called for the most ridiculous things (roughing the passer is a joke nowadays and penalties are called when they literally had no effect on the actual events of the game). Furthermore, because of the ridiculous amount of commercials, extremely long play clock, and excessive reviews, NFL games run 3.5 hour time slots and more of that time is downtime than actual playing time. If you want to look at something fairly well-run, I'd pick the NHL. Yea, the entire NHL staff should be fired for losing two full seasons to CBA lockouts in one decade, but the actual running of the game is pretty well done. The one thing that I think the NFL does do right is fines. I think if European leagues started dishing out fines like the NFL does, you'd see a lot less diving/cheating/thugs and whatnot (the English should also give out more yellows for diving like the Germans do). As for referees, I don't see anything wrong with soccer's ref system? And I feel like there's a lot of oversight of official quality, at least in English and German soccer (you see news about this stuff relatively often in the media). | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On January 01 2013 04:45 Stratos_speAr wrote: I find it odd that you would pick the NFL, of all things, as the example of something that is run well. At least here, many consider the NFL a joke. The sole purpose of the administration is to milk American football for more money; almost every move they make is to simply get a larger paycheck. They continually try to increase the season length and increase the size of the playoffs (both to the extreme detriment of the players, who already have a tough time with a 16 week regular season in a sport that is this dangerous). Ticket prices are fucking absurd; I had a $50 "processing charge" on my nosebleed tickets for the season opening game of Minnesota vs. Jacksonville - doubled my ticket price. Not only that, they find more and more ways to squeeze in commercials and advertisements; if you go to a live football game, they have "time out on the field" which is simply code for "commercial break". Yes, they stop the game so more commercials can be played. The rules system is also horrendous; I actually prefer soccer rules to football ones. Every single rule and every possible scenario is written down; the rulebook for the NFL has to be longer than an English dictionary. Some of the rules are also absolutely ridiculous (see Detroit vs. Houston, Thanksgiving day) and penalties are called for the most ridiculous things (roughing the passer is a joke nowadays and penalties are called when they literally had no effect on the actual events of the game). Furthermore, because of the ridiculous amount of commercials, extremely long play clock, and excessive reviews, NFL games run 3.5 hour time slots and more of that time is downtime than actual playing time. If you want to look at something fairly well-run, I'd pick the NHL. Yea, the entire NHL staff should be fired for losing two full seasons to CBA lockouts in one decade, but the actual running of the game is pretty well done. The one thing that I think the NFL does do right is fines. I think if European leagues started dishing out fines like the NFL does, you'd see a lot less diving/cheating/thugs and whatnot (the English should also give out more yellows for diving like the Germans do). As for referees, I don't see anything wrong with soccer's ref system? And I feel like there's a lot of oversight of official quality, at least in English and German soccer (you see news about this stuff relatively often in the media). Not to mention the Replacement refs, Atleast they fixed it. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 01 2013 05:02 nkr wrote: why on earth are you saying "european soccer" when fifa is the worldwide governing body of football. UEFA is the european one Because I don't know anything about African, Asian, or South American soccer. They could be different? | ||
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