(Yeah, this also deserves it's own thread. Go take a hike and choke on Norwegian shishkebabs if you think otherwise.)
Air out your opinions here. We'll all know the answer soon enough.
For my part, I find the NY Jets angle intriguing. Makes a lot of sense. Think about it. A coach who doesn't mind a bit of a circus (in fact, he revels in it at times. Yes, yes he promised to behave this year but this is Rex Ryan, who are we kidding). A team with a bit of swagger in their genes (yes, yes they lost some of that last year, but winning can change that in a New York minute). A team built around defensive superiority to set up a competent, but unspectacular offense and a coaching staff that actually prefers the power run game (they went deep into the playoffs with that blueprint for two years, but moved away from it last year and, surprise, they sucked harder than a black hole. They're just itching to go back to their roots.). Team chemistry sorely missing (Tebow could work miracles in that room). New offensive coordinator Sparano's middle name is "Wildcat". Tebow's red zone TD percentage is the highest of any QB in the league (!!!). And Tannenbaum himself is an unconventional GM and known to take chances on outside-the-box prospects.
Ah, but they just signed Sanchez to an extension. So what? Think about it. (And if you have a rebuttal to this point, you'd better damn well be certain it's a good one.)
There's also the "Rex Ryan as rebel" factor - and by that I mean his personality makeup is such that he doesn't mind throwing caution to the wind just so he can prove people wrong. Call it ego, call it whatever you want, he enjoys the attention and loves to win on his own terms just to say "I told ya so, bitches!". And isn't that what Tebow represents? I mean I pull for the guy simply because I am sick and tired of all these so-called experts shooting their fucking mouths off about how Tebow is a guaranteed failure for a whole litany of reasons I do not think really mean much. I mean how do they know for certain? Aren't these the same experts who had orgasms about the amazing mechanics/athleticism/football IQ etc. of Gabbert? Of Jamarcus Russell? Of David Carr? Of Ryan Leaf? Aren't these the same bunch of lame ass swamis who whiffed on Kurt Warner? On TOM FUCKING BRADY? Weren't they so sure back then? Why the fuck do these guys think they have THE answer ALL THE FUCKING TIME?!
Did I just turn this into a Tebow debate? Ah, fuck me.
Let the comments come and the debate begin.
EDIT: ...and the JETS it is. Tebow and 7th round pick to the Jets. Broncos get 4th and 6th round pick in 2012 draft. Sanchez is so fucked.
I definitely think he's going to Jacksonville. Btw, being in CO right now sucks haha, all the Peyton Manning/Tim Tebow shit is all people care about. I'm a football fan, but this stuff annoys the hell out of me.
not a bad write up i can tell your an NFL fan. I'm a hardcore Jets fan and I can see it being a good thing but it does seem a little risky well see what happens.
On March 21 2012 15:44 ShadowDrgn wrote: The Jags passed on drafting Tebow and instead invested a lot into Blaine Gabbert. It seems really unlikely that they're going to go after him now.
Tebow's red zone TD percentage is the highest of any QB in the league (!!!).
Funny enough, the second highest on that list in the last two years: David Garrard. Really puts that stat into perspective.
Nope. Look at numbers 3, 4 and 5. Leaving aside what the stat means for a moment, are you saying you would discount red zone TD percentages? Please.
And David Garrard is a legitimate nfl QB. He is not a wash out. I'm not saying Tebow is a hall of famer. I am saying given his relatively young body of work so far that he is more likely than not a legitimate qb starter in the nfl, PROVIDED he is surrounded by the right system.
I wish Tebow would go to the jets, but i don't really think its going to happen. mark got that contract because the front office was kind of apologizing for having talked bad about him, and to show the locker room that everyone else is expendable, but mark isn't. remember rex ryan saying mark made the dumbest play in football history, and tannenbaum continually saying mark had to improve. I think the jets are looking for a qb that will make mark work harder and actually be some competition, but not a qb that the fans will ask for when sanchez throws one bad pick.
i don't necessarily agree. i think mark won't ever be a great qb. people are talking about how sanchez and eli basically have the same numbers in their third year, but eli has a completely different mental makeup than sanchez, and i think mental strength is more important than how you throw a football in this league. i would like to see tebow with the jets running that run-heavy offense and great defense, but i think the front office has made it clear that mark is their guy for at least the next two years
i do think tebow should get a shot to start, possibly at cleveland(which desperately needs a boost), jacksonville, or miami.
On March 21 2012 15:44 ShadowDrgn wrote: The Jags passed on drafting Tebow and instead invested a lot into Blaine Gabbert. It seems really unlikely that they're going to go after him now.
Tebow's red zone TD percentage is the highest of any QB in the league (!!!).
Funny enough, the second highest on that list in the last two years: David Garrard. Really puts that stat into perspective.
Oh and by the way, Jacksonville as an organization has gone through a few changes since Gabbert. You might have heard. Like a new fucking owner and new head coach.
On March 21 2012 16:11 Tazza wrote: i do think tebow should get a shot to start, possibly at cleveland(which desperately needs a boost), jacksonville, or miami.
Oh Cleveland... where big-time college quarterbacks and proven veterans go to suck.
On March 21 2012 16:11 Tazza wrote: i do think tebow should get a shot to start, possibly at cleveland(which desperately needs a boost), jacksonville, or miami.
Oh Cleveland... where big-time college quarterbacks and proven veterans go to suck.
Cleveland wouldn't take Tebow as of now, because McCoy and the coaching staff is running the West Coast Offense, the complete opposite of a Tebow option offense. Miami is unlikely as Philbin would not want to risk his beginning coaching career on an enigma such as Tebow.
I think Jacksonville, they should have drafted him in the first place. He will not go to NY, Jets gave Sanchez a stupid extension, I'm a USC fan, but no way Sanchez should have got that deal. My bets are Jacksonville or Patriots, I don't think he will be a starter any time soon.
On March 21 2012 16:11 Tazza wrote: i do think tebow should get a shot to start, possibly at cleveland(which desperately needs a boost), jacksonville, or miami.
Oh Cleveland... where big-time college quarterbacks and proven veterans go to suck.
To the CFL or AFL, where he belongs. Unless he becomes some kind white jesus H-back version of Randel-El. He serves no value as a backup qb based on his inability to throw and the ridiculous offense he requires to be successful.
Jacksonville. It's gonna happen. Khan has publicly said he wished that they had drafted Tebow, and they have a new coach now. Tebow could play a very versatile role on the team and there's even room for him to contend for the starting QB spot if he improves. Not only that, Jacksonville is 90 minutes away from where Tebow played college football. That man would single-handedly revive the Jags franchise by selling out every single game they played (both regular and season tickets, home and away) and he would probably cement their place in Jacksonville for a very, very long time.
I think plenty of teams will want to sign him and I think the Broncos are silly for letting him go. He's a phenomenon who can make a big positive psychological impact on a team.
Does that mean he should be a starting QB? No not at all. But as some analysts are pointing out; why is QB the only position where you play one player the whole game? Red Zone efficiency, 3rd and short situation. These are all positions where Tebow can excel and it gives the other QB time to rest the arm a bit. And what about special teams? He would be a threat as PAT holder and other roles. Most QBs play all the time because of ego and wanting to break records. That's why I don't think somewhere like the Pats is ever likely. But if he goes to a team with a reasonable QB he could be a real asset.
One day after the Denver Broncos signed Peyton Manning as their new starting quarterback, Denver has traded Tebow to the Jets for a fourth-round draft pick.
The trade ends a tenure in Denver with Tebow that was one of the most astonishing two-year stints that any player has ever had with any team. Tebow was a surprise first-round draft pick in the 2010 NFL draft, then surprisingly became the starter in the fifth game of the 2011 season, and then shockingly led the Broncos to a series of improbable comeback victories and became arguably the NFL’s biggest star.
And now Tebow is with the Jets, one of the many teams he beat with a great fourth-quarter comeback last season. It’s not clear whether the Jets plan to allow Tebow to compete for the starting job, or whether they expect him to be a wildcat quarterback, but the player who’s as famous as any in the league is now in the Big Apple.
Mark Sanchez, Tebowmania is in your rear-view mirror.
On March 22 2012 01:51 ReDShiFT wrote: Just heard on the radio in the background that Tim Tebow has been traded to the Jets for a 4th rounder. Looking for source atm.
Wow... Jets get Tebow and Sean Peyton suspended for a year on top of losing two second round draft picks for the '12 and '13 seasons. Crazy news day!!!!!
On March 21 2012 15:44 ShadowDrgn wrote: The Jags passed on drafting Tebow and instead invested a lot into Blaine Gabbert. It seems really unlikely that they're going to go after him now.
Tebow's red zone TD percentage is the highest of any QB in the league (!!!).
Funny enough, the second highest on that list in the last two years: David Garrard. Really puts that stat into perspective.
Nope. Look at numbers 3, 4 and 5. Leaving aside what the stat means for a moment, are you saying you would discount red zone TD percentages? Please.
I would much rather have a QB that gets my team to the redzone 5 times a game and 2 TDs than a QB that gets into the redzone once a game and 1 TD. Seems like a pretty garbage stat by itself.
So now the Jets have two Quarterbacks who can't throw! Jokes aside this is really great. Can't wait for the season now. I don't know how I'd feel as a Jets fan though. Probably a bit pissed.
On March 22 2012 02:06 Golgotha wrote: dude sanchez is gonna lose his job. sanchez has been playing very badly recently. tebow in new york.....sooooo unfair NY gets everything.
Tell me about it. Fucking 9 professional sports teams in NYC. It's frustrating seeing cities get multiple teams for one sport when there are cities that would love to have sports teams that have lost them or never gotten them.
On March 22 2012 02:13 setzer wrote: Will Tebow even survive under Rex Ryan? I'm not sure his saintly ears can withstand the onslaught of profanity ...
Loooooooooooooooooool
I find it hilarious. Props to whoever wrote the script, can't wait to see this shit unravel.
As a Pats fan this is just great - 2 worst things in football combined together. It's fucking amazing.
its funny beacuse tebows contract is only for a million a year and the qb that the jets have starting for them is being paid 40 mil over 3 years.
was really disheartened to see that tebow only got a 4th rounder. now hes going to get used like a mule as a second string rb and qb until Sanchez fails hardcore and football jesus is called apon to lead a holy crusade into the playoffs.
afaik 4th round pick isn't that much of a waste given tebow's salary. It is a million that could be used for a backup blocker or somewhere else productive, but who knows. Jets aren't exactly known for assigning players new roles, but this guy would be better suited for non-QB tasks
He's just going to replace Brad Smith in the Wildcat, right? They can't consider actually using him as a reliable backup.... right?
"All right Mark, we're benching you because your throws are too inaccurate. We're going to replace you with AHAHAHAHAHAHA just kidding you're not benched."
On March 22 2012 02:29 Sermokala wrote: was really disheartened to see that tebow only got a 4th rounder. now hes going to get used like a mule as a second string rb and qb until Sanchez fails hardcore and football jesus is called apon to lead a holy crusade into the playoffs.
The Broncos apparently got a 4th and 6th round pick. But they also gave up (apart from Tebow) a 7th rounder.
On March 22 2012 02:01 Two_DoWn wrote: Wow and Sean Payton banned for the year.
Holy shit, that's huge news.
Sanchez is so fucked. He's certainly better than Tebow, but he's not good. They're gonna spend all year wondering whether or not they should be giving Tebow a shot at the starting job..... just like the Broncos did.
Has there every been a play style created that works by having two quarterbacks and shielding the vision of the opponents so they can't see who has been snapped to, and then both running out in different directions and well obviously been able to split QB spies and work either side of the field? It would be perfect for sanchez and tebow :D
Jacksonville was smart. They wouldn't even give up a 4th and 6th rd pick for Tebow. Says how much they think he is worth.
Jets are going to be the ultimate shit-show this year. Second Sanchez has a bad game (which will be early and often), the crys to put Tebow in will come up. Tebow, being a terrible QB, will run the team into the ground. This isn't the AFC West.
I feel most logical football fans are breathing a sigh of relief that Tebow did not land with their team. HOWEVER, after a hard night's drinking, most will retire to their bedrooms and proceed to masturbate furiously to the steelers vs broncos game footage..
On March 22 2012 03:55 leo23 wrote: tebow will probably do better than sanchez and sanchez will be benched later in the season. anyways 2 bad quarterbacks in a team
Sangchez was definitely not good, but he really wasn't all that bad last year, especially considering how much that team fucking sucked at points. The run game was pretty much non-existent for a better part of the season, and the line was hurt for a while too (and Wayne Hunter was awful).
Plus, for some inexplicable reason, Schotty's dumb ass took them away from running and made Sanchez pass a whole lot more. They were about 50-50 in 10, and 55-45 this past year. That is a huge difference, and it really shows up with Holmes being awful all season. And that's not even accounting for the defense, which went from top tier to bottom third.
I would honestly be amazed if Rex played Tebow at QB, and even more amazed if he were to do anything with it, because he makes Sanchez look great.
On March 22 2012 04:17 mastergriggy wrote: I'm really surprised Jacksonvile didn't take him up. Seems like a good pick up for them.
Also, why the hell would you trade a quarterback who helped you get into the playoffs? That doesn't seem like the best decision from the Broncos.
That had a lot more to do with the D, running and the shitty division than it did Tebow. Second, Manning is a HOFer. If he does get hurt, they need a backup who can actually throw the ball, since that is what the playbook will call for. Tebow can't do that at all.
Don't like the fans associated with only Tebow. The move might backfire really, really bad when Sanchez gets into a funk. It's going to be Kyle Orton all over again. One bad move, they'll be screaming for Tebow, amplify that with the New York media and you got yourself a recipe for utter disaster.
Sorry guys i don't think he goes anywhere. The jets?? Rex Ryan probably wants a QB that can throw the ball so bad after dealing with sanchez. Jacksonville they have MJD they don't need Tebow. HE CANNOT THROW THE BALL. BOTH OF THEIR QBs WERE BETTER THAN TEBOW. If you think any team is working on the option as their game plan this season you are mistaken. I'm really not a tebow hater. I thought the games he did play were exciting as shit but the luck was so obvious. If you go back and look at the breaks they got the whole season it was disgusting, and i could care less if he prays to a god. It made for some great drama though:D A down side was it really made sports center shitty for a while.
P.S. If tebow learns how to throw ill hop on the band wagon.
On March 22 2012 01:51 Two_DoWn wrote: If Jacksonvile DOESNT get him, they will be the LA Jags in 3 years. No question.
And myself and the rest of Jags nation may very well riot after Khan promised to keep the Jags in Jacksonville as he bought the team.
Wayne Weaver wouldn'tve sold the team to Kahn if he didn't confirm ahead of time that he wasn't going to move the team. He had actually panned on selling the team several years ago, but was waiting for the right person. I'm glad i got to be at the last game versus the Colts when they put him and his wife in the Pride of the Jaguars.
On the Tebow topic, Tebow wouldn'tve been able to save the franchise by any means. The only people that would've bought tickets just to see Tebow would be fairweather fans that would be out for Gabbert's head day 1, even though he hasn't really gotten a chance with a good set of recievers yet. Picking up Laurent Robinson will help, and hopefully Gene will trade back in the draft for some more picks and get another good WR or a DE. I think Gabbert will mature a lot this year once he gets time to work with his recievers and work with the QB coach.
Verbally saying is in no way binding. When the team continue to languish and black out games for the next half decade, they'll keep on pushing that. As bad as it would have been from a football perspective, Tebow would at least have reinvigorated the fan base, if only temporarily
On March 22 2012 04:48 not jack wrote: The more I think about the impact this trade will have in the NFL the more I realize this doesn't merit it's own thread.
On March 22 2012 04:42 Hawk wrote: Verbally saying is in no way binding. When the team continue to languish and black out games for the next half decade, they'll keep on pushing that. As bad as it would have been from a football perspective, Tebow would at least have reinvigorated the fan base, if only temporarily
The Jaguars actually didn't have a single blackout in 2011 iirc.
And the people that would've bought tickets just to see Tebow are just Gator fans that expect the same success that the University generally has year in and year out, which is impossible in the NFL.
(On a side note, I think the main problem with the Jaguars selling tickets is ticket prices. Other places with newer stadiums (ex. Houston and Arizona) both have cheaper tickets for most sections, including the cheap seats being 10 or 20 bucks less than Jaguars cheap seats which are like $55 for a single game ticket. I paid half as much to see the Jaguars play the Panthers in Charlotte as i did to see the Jaguars play the Colts in Jacksonville this season. With as big as our stadium is compared to the market size, making a profit off selling 9 dollar beer and such seems plausible even with cheaper tickets.)
On March 22 2012 04:42 Hawk wrote: Verbally saying is in no way binding. When the team continue to languish and black out games for the next half decade, they'll keep on pushing that. As bad as it would have been from a football perspective, Tebow would at least have reinvigorated the fan base, if only temporarily
The Jaguars actually didn't have a single blackout in 2011 iirc.
And the people that would've bought tickets just to see Tebow are just Gator fans that expect the same success that the University generally has year in and year out, which is impossible in the NFL.
(On a side note, I think the main problem with the Jaguars selling tickets is ticket prices. Other places with newer stadiums (ex. Houston and Arizona) both have cheaper tickets for most sections, including the cheap seats being 10 or 20 bucks less than Jaguars cheap seats which are like $55 for a single game ticket. I paid half as much to see the Jaguars play the Panthers in Charlotte as i did to see the Jaguars play the Colts in Jacksonville this season. With as big as our stadium is compared to the market size, making a profit off selling 9 dollar beer and such seems plausible even with cheaper tickets.)
The Jags didn't black out last year due to a nice a couple nice little loopholes: 1. The NFL let major sponsors buy up the teams tickets for pennies on the dollar (~$0.30 per ticket). 2. They tarped over ~10K seats as well during the season to reduce the seating capacity of the stadium. If it wasnt for these little loopholes the Jags probably would have returned back to their 2009 numbers (7 of 8 home games blacked out).
The Jags could use Tebow, even if he only boosts sales for 1 season for them.
...and according to twitter feeds from Adam Schefter, Jacksonville's now pounced and in the mix along with the Jets for Tebow trade. Who says NFL stands for "No Fun League"?
On March 22 2012 04:42 Hawk wrote: Verbally saying is in no way binding. When the team continue to languish and black out games for the next half decade, they'll keep on pushing that. As bad as it would have been from a football perspective, Tebow would at least have reinvigorated the fan base, if only temporarily
The Jaguars actually didn't have a single blackout in 2011 iirc.
And the people that would've bought tickets just to see Tebow are just Gator fans that expect the same success that the University generally has year in and year out, which is impossible in the NFL.
(On a side note, I think the main problem with the Jaguars selling tickets is ticket prices. Other places with newer stadiums (ex. Houston and Arizona) both have cheaper tickets for most sections, including the cheap seats being 10 or 20 bucks less than Jaguars cheap seats which are like $55 for a single game ticket. I paid half as much to see the Jaguars play the Panthers in Charlotte as i did to see the Jaguars play the Colts in Jacksonville this season. With as big as our stadium is compared to the market size, making a profit off selling 9 dollar beer and such seems plausible even with cheaper tickets.)
The Jags didn't black out last year due to a nice a couple nice little loopholes: 1. The NFL let major sponsors buy up the teams tickets for pennies on the dollar (~$0.30 per ticket). 2. They tarped over ~10K seats as well during the season to reduce the seating capacity of the stadium. If it wasnt for these little loopholes the Jags probably would have returned back to their 2009 numbers (7 of 8 home games blacked out).
The Jags could use Tebow, even if he only boosts sales for 1 season for them.
The Tebow trade has hit a snag. So Tebow may not be heading to the Jets quite yet.
The seats have had tarps on them since like 2006. Former tackle Tony Bosselli runs a program called Team Teal where season ticket holders can volunteer to go around and sell tickets around the community. And if Tebow came and boosted sales for one season, then what? The bottom line is winning sells tickets more than anything else. Really, they should've built the stadium smaller in the first place like soldier field size since the market is smaller. There are, in fact enough people in the area to fill the stadium, as they used to frequently back in the 90's. I have a feeling that with the combined efforts of the football operations people to put a good team on the field, the new president (former president of metlife stadium) bringing a better stadium atmosphere, and the team and fans working together to sell more season tickets, the Jaguars can turn it around.
He willingly chose to go to New York instead of Jacksonville, haha.
Does he not remember what that Jets locker room said about him before they fell down and let him score that game winning TD? And as we already saw today, some of them don't even 'want' him.
i think it is a perfect storm for tebow now. The jets have been doing shitty and everyone in that city knows it. There have been many changes and moves within that organization and it all went to hell. Remember when Sanchez was being touted as their promising young QB? Well now there have been locker room dissent against Sanchez and the city is very disappointed in their QB. Once Sanchez screws up the first couple games with lackluster play or his relentless interceptions....people gonna start chanting Tebow and tebow will take over. I am pretty sure Tebow will play once sanchez effs up.
Thus, Tebow has a chance to write a fairy tale story that the NFL has not seen for decades! To rise to fame in Denver and then to have it all taken away in an instant by one of history's best QBs. Moved to the Jets and forced in a 2nd spot, but the fans call him and he delivers. Showdown on Sunday Night against Peyton Manning and the Broncos.....winning.....espn explodes. In your face john elway.
On March 22 2012 13:13 Golgotha wrote: i think it is a perfect storm for tebow now. The jets have been doing shitty and everyone in that city knows it. There have been many changes and moves within that organization and it all went to hell. Remember when Sanchez was being touted as their promising young QB? Well now there have been locker room dissent against Sanchez and the city is very disappointed in their QB. Once Sanchez screws up the first couple games with lackluster play or his relentless interceptions....people gonna start chanting Tebow and tebow will take over. I am pretty sure Tebow will play once sanchez effs up.
Thus, Tebow has a chance to write a fairy tale story that the NFL has not seen for decades! To rise to fame in Denver and then to have it all taken away in an instant by one of history's best QBs. Moved to the Jets and forced in a 2nd spot, but the fans call him and he delivers. Showdown on Sunday Night against Peyton Manning and the Broncos.....winning.....espn explodes. In your face john elway.
Jets feeling desperate to compete with the attention the Giants are getting again, so instead of improving their team, they've added a cash-cow sideshow. Rex Ryan will likely get fired after next season. I think Tebowing in NY, by which I really mean, New Jersey, technically, won't be warmly received. I'm betting Tebow curbs his behavior a little bit and becomes a pure football drone: team this, practice that, coach said, look at the tapes, yadda yadda.
People here bemoaning the trade are speaking through a very flawed and prejudiced lense - understand football and organizational theory and you will understand Tebow to the Jets makes perfect sense. It was a pure football move.
Listen to Bill Polian (yes that Bill Polian - the former GM of the Colts who built the Peyton Manning era, the 6 time NFL Executive of the Year winner, and easily among the greatest football personnel men of all time) - he agrees this is a perfect fit. Tebow should not be the starter, but instead utilized in special offense packages, especially in the red zone and short yardage goal line scenarios. Read options on goal lines are notoriously difficult to stop.
Let Sanchez and his fragile ego and serviceable but limited abilities take care of the base offense. Sanchez can move the chains. Switch in Tebow on specials (options and wildcats). And on the occasions where Sanchez falters late, put in Tebow and see what magic he performs. And remember, the Jets will be (again) a defense first, ball control team. You don't need to put up gaudy offensive numbers to win.
If you're a Jets fan, you should be rejoicing at the possibilities. All this still has to get executed, and no doubt the media circus and locker room egos have to be managed, but the prospects are very intriguing.
And it was the height of irony and hypocrisy for Joe Namath to come out and proclaim the trade little more than a "publicity stunt". Says the walking publicity stunt disguised as a human being.
I envision Tebow in the Jets offense to be similar to Brad Smith''s role during his time, a little bit of everything. Smith was lining up at WR, QB, HB and working with Special Teams during his time on the Jets. The Jets are a good fit for Tebow because of their game plan of ball control via the run, with a slightly aging defense controlling the opponent's offense. The NY media are going to be the X-Factor, whether they can help or hurt the team, no one can tell.
People here bemoaning the trade are speaking through a very flawed and prejudiced lense - understand football and organizational theory and you will understand Tebow to the Jets makes perfect sense. It was a pure football move.
Listen to Bill Polian (yes that Bill Polian - the former GM of the Colts who built the Peyton Manning era, the 6 time NFL Executive of the Year winner, and easily among the greatest football personnel men of all time) - he agrees this is a perfect fit. Tebow should not be the starter, but instead utilized in special offense packages, especially in the red zone and short yardage goal line scenarios. Read options on goal lines are notoriously difficult to stop.
Let Sanchez and his fragile ego and serviceable but limited abilities take care of the base offense. Sanchez can move the chains. Switch in Tebow on specials (options and wildcats). And on the occasions where Sanchez falters late, put in Tebow and see what magic he performs. And remember, the Jets will be (again) a defense first, ball control team. You don't need to put up gaudy offensive numbers to win.
If you're a Jets fan, you should be rejoicing at the possibilities. All this still has to get executed, and no doubt the media circus and locker room egos have to be managed, but the prospects are very intriguing.
And it was the height of irony and hypocrisy for Joe Namath to come out and proclaim the trade little more than a "publicity stunt". Says the walking publicity stunt disguised as a human being.
The wildcat has quickly reverted back to being mostly useless because teams have seen it so much thanks to the Dolphins and a host of other teams. The other thing is that going into a wildcat formation makes it pretty obvious what is happening, and teams can stack the box.
If there is a way to utilize Tebow, it would be to train him as a FB/HB/TE and do a lot of shotgun with him, Sanchez and Green back there. That becomes a whole lot less predictable than the wildcat, and allows him to either run, catch or throw in a more disguised package.
While there is potential for some success there, the baggage that comes with tebow is what makes this ridiculous. It's all but certainty that there is a controversy at some point this season the first time that Sanchez has even a mediocre team, the notorious NY media will smell blood in the water and be all over that, and so will the fans. There's already division in the locker room over this, and that lockeroom was already cancerous last year with that retard Holmes.
And while there certainly is some football merit here, make no mistake that this is absolutely definitely part publicity move. Tebow jerseys fly off the shelves, he draws eyes that do not normally watch. Playing in the shadow of the NYG, especially off of a SB year, they definitely need that.
Overall, I think the baggage that comes with Tebow is really not worth what he can potentially bring to the field. If the Jets had a more firmly entrenched starter, maybe it would be a different story. But Sanchez is gonna get dogged from day one, and he's a much, much better option than Tebow, and it will divide the locker room.
On March 22 2012 02:10 Stratos_speAr wrote:. Fucking 9 professional sports teams in NYC.
Yankees Mets Rangers Knicks Nets*
*- Soon.
That's 4, soon to be 5. The Jets and Giants play in New Jersey. As do the Red Bulls. And the Liberty. And the Islanders play on Long Island.
I think it is more who you represent rather than where you physically play. The Washington Redskins play in Maryland, but most of there fans are from Washington and Virginia. From this perspective, I would say the Giants can be added to the list of NY Teams but i am not a NYer, so i don't know.
On March 22 2012 02:10 Stratos_speAr wrote:. Fucking 9 professional sports teams in NYC.
Yankees Mets Rangers Knicks Nets*
*- Soon.
That's 4, soon to be 5. The Jets and Giants play in New Jersey. As do the Red Bulls. And the Liberty. And the Islanders play on Long Island.
Yankees Mets Rangers Islanders Knicks Nets Jets Giants Liberty Red Bulls
Oops, miscounted. It's actually ten. But shit, just because they play a few minutes outside of the actual city doesn't mean that they don't represent the city. They aren't the New Jersey Jets/Giants, they are the New York Jets/Giants, and the New York Islanders/Liberty/Red Bulls. It's ridiculous to claim that just because they don't actually play right inside NYC that they don't represent the area.
Hell, you could probably throw the New Jersey Devils in there, but they are actually labeled New Jersey.
On March 22 2012 02:10 Stratos_speAr wrote:. Fucking 9 professional sports teams in NYC.
Yankees Mets Rangers Knicks Nets*
*- Soon.
That's 4, soon to be 5. The Jets and Giants play in New Jersey. As do the Red Bulls. And the Liberty. And the Islanders play on Long Island.
Yankees Mets Rangers Islanders Knicks Nets Jets Giants Liberty Red Bulls
Oops, miscounted. It's actually ten. But shit, just because they play a few minutes outside of the actual city doesn't mean that they don't represent the city. They aren't the New Jersey Jets/Giants, they are the New York Jets/Giants, and the New York Islanders/Liberty/Red Bulls. It's ridiculous to claim that just because they don't actually play right inside NYC that they don't represent the area.
Hell, you could probably throw the New Jersey Devils in there, but they are actually labeled New Jersey.
People here bemoaning the trade are speaking through a very flawed and prejudiced lense - understand football and organizational theory and you will understand Tebow to the Jets makes perfect sense. It was a pure football move.
Listen to Bill Polian (yes that Bill Polian - the former GM of the Colts who built the Peyton Manning era, the 6 time NFL Executive of the Year winner, and easily among the greatest football personnel men of all time) - he agrees this is a perfect fit. Tebow should not be the starter, but instead utilized in special offense packages, especially in the red zone and short yardage goal line scenarios. Read options on goal lines are notoriously difficult to stop.
Let Sanchez and his fragile ego and serviceable but limited abilities take care of the base offense. Sanchez can move the chains. Switch in Tebow on specials (options and wildcats). And on the occasions where Sanchez falters late, put in Tebow and see what magic he performs. And remember, the Jets will be (again) a defense first, ball control team. You don't need to put up gaudy offensive numbers to win.
If you're a Jets fan, you should be rejoicing at the possibilities. All this still has to get executed, and no doubt the media circus and locker room egos have to be managed, but the prospects are very intriguing.
And it was the height of irony and hypocrisy for Joe Namath to come out and proclaim the trade little more than a "publicity stunt". Says the walking publicity stunt disguised as a human being.
The wildcat has quickly reverted back to being mostly useless because teams have seen it so much thanks to the Dolphins and a host of other teams. The other thing is that going into a wildcat formation makes it pretty obvious what is happening, and teams can stack the box.
If there is a way to utilize Tebow, it would be to train him as a FB/HB/TE and do a lot of shotgun with him, Sanchez and Green back there. That becomes a whole lot less predictable than the wildcat, and allows him to either run, catch or throw in a more disguised package.
While there is potential for some success there, the baggage that comes with tebow is what makes this ridiculous. It's all but certainty that there is a controversy at some point this season the first time that Sanchez has even a mediocre team, the notorious NY media will smell blood in the water and be all over that, and so will the fans. There's already division in the locker room over this, and that lockeroom was already cancerous last year with that retard Holmes.
And while there certainly is some football merit here, make no mistake that this is absolutely definitely part publicity move. Tebow jerseys fly off the shelves, he draws eyes that do not normally watch. Playing in the shadow of the NYG, especially off of a SB year, they definitely need that.
Overall, I think the baggage that comes with Tebow is really not worth what he can potentially bring to the field. If the Jets had a more firmly entrenched starter, maybe it would be a different story. But Sanchez is gonna get dogged from day one, and he's a much, much better option than Tebow, and it will divide the locker room.
Nice post. Very balanced and I don't necessarily disagree. It's a judgement call and I think it can work for the Jets. In fact, I will go so far as to say that it WILL work for the Jets - on the field. Tebow will be an effective part of the Jets' offense, that's my prediction. But the concern you've highlighted regarding locker room drama is a legitimate one. No one on the planet knows at this point how things will work out in that regard. Nonsense in the locker room can easily derail the best laid plans.
I'm pulling for this trade to work. I'm not necessarily a fan of either Tebow or the Jets, but I do pull for the perennial underachievers (Jets) and I am a supporter of what Tebow represents - not his squeaky clean image, not his piety, but that he's different and that with the right system and supports there will always be more than one way to skin the proverbial cat. That's not a football truism, that's just life.
Will you "Tebow" if on balance the Tebow trade works out and he contributes in a significant way to the Jets' upcoming season?
I think based on what they traded for him, it won't take a whole lot of production to get their value's worth in a vacuum. If they play him as some kind of H-back who occasionally throws the ball and he picks up a few hundred hards in all facets, they've done good.
I just see no way this doesn't end up as a huge issue over the course of the season with the on and off games that Sanchez has, and I would be amazed if Tebow had success if he became the starter.
On that note, I havent' seen much besides a report that the Jets were now looking to trade Drew Stanton (the 2nd stringer dude), but I assume that Tebow becomes the defacto #2??
On March 24 2012 00:08 Hawk wrote: What do you mean tebow on balance??
I think based on what they traded for him, it won't take a whole lot of production to get their value's worth in a vacuum. If they play him as some kind of H-back who occasionally throws the ball and he picks up a few hundred hards in all facets, they've done good.
I just see no way this doesn't end up as a huge issue over the course of the season with the on and off games that Sanchez has, and I would be amazed if Tebow had success if he became the starter.
On that note, I havent' seen much besides a report that the Jets were now looking to trade Drew Stanton (the 2nd stringer dude), but I assume that Tebow becomes the defacto #2??
Taneumbom said in an interview that tebow is now the the #2 which is one the reasons why stanton wants out.
On that note, I havent' seen much besides a report that the Jets were now looking to trade Drew Stanton (the 2nd stringer dude), but I assume that Tebow becomes the defacto #2??
Tebow is already the defacto #2. The Jets GM went on air and declared it yesterday (maybe 2 days ago). He also basically admitted he promised the #2 gig to Stanton but when Tebow became available he went back on his word. Stanton as a result has already put in his trade request.
On March 24 2012 00:08 Hawk wrote: What do you mean tebow on balance??
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and I would be amazed if Tebow had success if he became the starter.
Putting aside how we would define "success", I am asking whether you will Tebow if he had success as the starter for the NY Jets (assuming he becomes one)?
... and speaking of Stanton, looks like he's going to the Colts. A whole bunch of industry "experts" will have egg on their collective face if Luck turns out to be a bust in Indy (assume they will pick Luck over RG3). But Stanton will be one very happy dude. Best wishes.
On March 24 2012 00:08 Hawk wrote: What do you mean tebow on balance??
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and I would be amazed if Tebow had success if he became the starter.
Putting aside how we would define "success", I am asking whether you will Tebow if he had success as the starter for the NY Jets (assuming he becomes one)?
Are you asking if Hawk will post a picture of himself "Tebow"-ing if Tebow has success as a Jets starter? Or are you missing a couple words here? Thats the best I can make from this post.
Miami ran the wildcat to death into the Pats until it never worked again. The Pats have dissected that formation and are experts at stopping it, and Miami used it effectively in the NFL so if the Jets think this "Tbone" package will work great theyve got 4 very bad games ahead of them.
Also, the Broncos have a very, very friendly and helpful team. A team Tebow needs to be on in the NFL to succeed because his success isnt instant. NY is the last place to be to find friendly and helpful players. Best of luck Tebow.
Sparano's a smart coach and adjustments will be made. Tebow also adds a different dimension to the wildcat. Will be interesting to see how wildcat 2.0 goes.
for now, all tebow can bring is a wildcat back who is a slightly better passer. his work ethic would have me believe that he is capable of being a really good starting qb in the nfl, but i think he would need multiple offseasons with the same team/coaching staff to get there. unfortunately for him, i think he'll be traded around for the next couple years as a wildcat back/backup qb. he'll never truly learn an offense, and therefore never really have a chance to start again anywhere.
honestly its great for both parties. Tebow doesn't have to deal with questions about "Why aren't you starting?" and can have one of the best QBs in football as a mentor, and since the Patriots would need a miracle to win without Brady, who better to deliver a miracle than Tebow?
I hope Belichick comes up with some weird plays for Tebow to run, maybe some punting plays sorta like how the Jets used him. Maybe we'll see him in some preseason games as QB? Not sure he's any better than Mallett though.
God, I couldn't get all the way through that news conference, so cringe worthy lol. "We'll see", "We'll do whats best for the team", "He's smart and a hard worker". The level of pain and please fucking kill me in Belichick's voice was insane.
I'm glad to see this, despite how much I despite the pats and co. Tebow never did anything to deserve the media circus around him, unlike some of the outspoken receivers of this generation. Seeing him land on a team that will actually give him a real chance to improve and compete, and at the same time shield him from the idiotic ESPN writers is a perfect combo.
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