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Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
May 04 2012 13:25 GMT
#3781
I DL a little more like Gatored, although I do have relatively long legs and a shorter torso, which SS says makes DL's a bit more difficult. I think the most important thing is to start the movement by pushing your feet into the ground/straightening your knees. That will naturally make your hips rise as you start the movement. Then when the bar approaches the knees you initiate more hip drive as BlondeOnBlonde was saying.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
May 04 2012 14:01 GMT
#3782
Having slightly less than ideal body proportions isn't going to hinder you much in deadlifting properly. Rippetoe isn't the ultimate deadlifting coach...

I'll see if I can take a pic of me to show what I mean (not claiming to be a better coach than Rippetoe though lol)
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
May 04 2012 14:16 GMT
#3783
On May 04 2012 23:01 sJarl wrote:
Having slightly less than ideal body proportions isn't going to hinder you much in deadlifting properly. Rippetoe isn't the ultimate deadlifting coach...

I'll see if I can take a pic of me to show what I mean (not claiming to be a better coach than Rippetoe though lol)

That's the thing for me. As you say, Rippetoe isn't the very best deadlift coach in the world, but he's still in a different league from anyone likely to be giving me advice, so when their advice clashes with Rippetoe's, I follow Rippetoe. Also, he isn't rigid about the starting position, which is one reason I've stopped worrying too much about the specifics. Somewhere he says that as long as your back is tight throughout the movement and the bar stays over the middle of your foot, you're fine, so that's how I've been thinking about it. He does mention that starting from a squat position decreases your strength, so I avoid that, but other than that I'm fairly relaxed about the specifics.
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Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
May 04 2012 14:21 GMT
#3784
I've seen pretty much every kind of starting position possible used. I haven't paid any attention to body proportions of the different lifters but everyone I've seen starting with the hips low have a big squat and vice versa.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 15:27:55
May 04 2012 15:24 GMT
#3785
your hips are supposed to be up. every single real deadlift looks like that. hips up and low back straight. upper back can arch. People say on forums, oh low hips are better use more legs. When you RDL you never lower your legs and it still works your hams.I dont know who started the whole higher up your hips are you are using your back. As long as your low back is straight. its impossible to not use your hams.Hams connect your knee to your butt. So DL uses the high hams that connect to your butt. I am glad someone finally said it on here! i told someone in a form check on reddit to raise their hips up more and got down voted into oblivion

Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 15:34:57
May 04 2012 15:34 GMT
#3786
It's not about hams it's about quads :o
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 15:39:53
May 04 2012 15:37 GMT
#3787
then you are doing it wrong. do snatch grip if you want to work more quads in your DL
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
May 04 2012 15:39 GMT
#3788
There is no wrong, but lower hips use more legs, period.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 15:59:49
May 04 2012 15:59 GMT
#3789
the squat is a quad dominant exercise. the deadlift is low back/glutes/hams dominant. You can always deadlift more than you can squat. If you are deadlifting to get big strong quads, you are gonna have a bad time.Do deadlifts the right way and do quads on squat day
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 16:05:42
May 04 2012 16:05 GMT
#3790
No you don't always deadlift more than you can squat, that's just plain wrong. I'm not even arguing from a training perspective because I don't give the slightest of fucks how anyone train, but to lift the most weight, someone with a good squat should obviously deadlift with hips low.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
May 04 2012 16:09 GMT
#3791
someone with a good squat and a worse deadlift should deadlift right because they have a real imbalance. Yes you should always be able to DL more than you can squat.
Jupiter
Profile Joined November 2009
Australia73 Posts
May 04 2012 16:13 GMT
#3792
On May 05 2012 01:05 Sneakyz wrote:
No you don't always deadlift more than you can squat, that's just plain wrong. I'm not even arguing from a training perspective because I don't give the slightest of fucks how anyone train, but to lift the most weight, someone with a good squat should obviously deadlift with hips low.


Completely agree.

I Squat more than I deadlift. Always had a better squat ever since I started. Because of that I deadlift with my hips low so that I can get as much leg involved in the start of the motion.
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KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
May 04 2012 16:39 GMT
#3793
On May 04 2012 13:15 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 06:08 Catch wrote:
On May 03 2012 14:24 KOVU wrote:
On May 03 2012 13:59 Catch wrote:
700 lbs + 2 weight trees may be on the way to my house after next monday, depending if I like the plates.

Pumped :D

Now to get a bar and a rack.
Anybody have any experience with rogue bars? I'm thinking of just the Rogue Bar. Simple. Black and chrome. Sexy.

Edit: @eshlow.
I just saw that crazy ass 190x1 dip video you did.
First of all. Damn
Second of all, that set up for your dips was absolutely nuts. I bet the ladies love your dip station in the middle of your kitchen(?) lol

Where do i find this video :D ?

I have been thinking about buying an olympic bar lately. The bar I have now is a 180cm 25mm shitty bar with horrible knurling and no spin. How much difference does it actually make what bar you workout with? I imagine the spin being really good for my olympic lifts, but other than that i dont really know.


Todays workout, actually worked out just after getting up, I suck at that but it was okay:

Squat 109kg 5-5-5 (PR)
OHP 61kg 5-2-3 (this was funny, first set wasn't even that hard but second set was hardest thing ever. That bar would not move an inch. First time trying 61kg, I imagine being stuck here until I start my bulk)

finished with some chins and hamstring work.




As far bars, I dunno. I hear its a crazy difference, but first of all I don't do any olympic lifts, and second I doubt it really makes all that much of a difference unless your on elite level; dimsum may be able to answer the question. I just want something reliable, and I know rogue will supply that. Even if they are a tad expensive.



A good olympic bar is the most important piece of equipment, since the spin will help you lift better. But if you cant afford it then get a cheaper bar. If you never lifted with a bar with a good spin, then you wont miss it. Let me know what is your budget. I'll look for some bars.

I have a good deal of money to spare, but I live in Denmark and olympic bars are really hard to come by. I thought about buying a Pendlay bar, but they seem really really expensive, and the bumperplates seem incredibly expensive. I'm still really weak and unsure if i can feel any difference in a mediocre bar and good bar
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
May 04 2012 19:48 GMT
#3794
the bar will last you a lifetime!
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
May 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#3795
Yeah, hence why I'm buying a >250 bar from rogue once, instead of spending 150 replacing a cheap ass bar three times. I'll also spend money on a bench and a squat rack. I'll save money on the plates and foam rollers.
Victory Loves Preparation
KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 07:03:10
May 05 2012 06:50 GMT
#3796
I'm a 19 y/o student living with my parents. Prolly won't be many years before I move to an apartment, and by then I most likely wont be able to use the bar any longer.

But I think I will buy a pendlay bar anyway - or is there any similar quality barbellbrands available in europe?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
May 05 2012 07:18 GMT
#3797
I'm an idiot and didn't take pictures of me going from 185 to 205... so when I make my update after cutting to 180 with pics it won't show me when I was up to 205. This makes me sad... Also, I wish I wasn't so vain. Strength gains are definitely dropping off now that I'm eating 1800 calories a day and off my gallon of milk a day 5-6k calorie diet. I just couldn't take being over 15% body fat. I was feeling disgusted :<
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20076 Posts
May 05 2012 07:34 GMT
#3798
On May 05 2012 15:50 KOVU wrote:
I'm a 19 y/o student living with my parents. Prolly won't be many years before I move to an apartment, and by then I most likely wont be able to use the bar any longer.

But I think I will buy a pendlay bar anyway - or is there any similar quality barbellbrands available in europe?


You can look at eleiko or dhs as well
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
May 05 2012 08:28 GMT
#3799
On May 05 2012 16:34 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 15:50 KOVU wrote:
I'm a 19 y/o student living with my parents. Prolly won't be many years before I move to an apartment, and by then I most likely wont be able to use the bar any longer.

But I think I will buy a pendlay bar anyway - or is there any similar quality barbellbrands available in europe?


You can look at eleiko or dhs as well

I was looking at eleiko when I bought my barbell but the cheapest one I found in sweden would be equivalent to over $1100 .

I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
May 05 2012 09:00 GMT
#3800
need some advice guys.

i've gotten my younger brother to start exercising so he can put on a bit of mass.

i don't have time to bring him to the gym because i usually come home pretty late, thus he only does the exercises at home.

my biggest worry is his squats. currently he's already done 3x8 bw squats. my problem now is how do i increase resistance progressively without access to gym and equipment? he also can't do pistols because he has a knee injury wherein squatting too deep induces medial knee pain.

we do have a pair of dumbells though.weight that can reach max of 40lbs each. i thought of putting those dumbbells on his shoulders while he squats but it's obviously not very safe. would weighted lunges suffice?

TIA!

"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
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