I DL a little more like Gatored, although I do have relatively long legs and a shorter torso, which SS says makes DL's a bit more difficult. I think the most important thing is to start the movement by pushing your feet into the ground/straightening your knees. That will naturally make your hips rise as you start the movement. Then when the bar approaches the knees you initiate more hip drive as BlondeOnBlonde was saying.

sJarl

Iceland1699 Posts

May 04 2012 14:01 GMT

#3782

Having slightly less than ideal body proportions isn't going to hinder you much in deadlifting properly. Rippetoe isn't the ultimate deadlifting coach...

I'll see if I can take a pic of me to show what I mean (not claiming to be a better coach than Rippetoe though lol)

Daigomi

South Africa4316 Posts

May 04 2012 14:16 GMT

#3783

On May 04 2012 23:01 sJarl wrote:
Having slightly less than ideal body proportions isn't going to hinder you much in deadlifting properly. Rippetoe isn't the ultimate deadlifting coach...

I'll see if I can take a pic of me to show what I mean (not claiming to be a better coach than Rippetoe though lol)

That's the thing for me. As you say, Rippetoe isn't the very best deadlift coach in the world, but he's still in a different league from anyone likely to be giving me advice, so when their advice clashes with Rippetoe's, I follow Rippetoe. Also, he isn't rigid about the starting position, which is one reason I've stopped worrying too much about the specifics. Somewhere he says that as long as your back is tight throughout the movement and the bar stays over the middle of your foot, you're fine, so that's how I've been thinking about it. He does mention that starting from a squat position decreases your strength, so I avoid that, but other than that I'm fairly relaxed about the specifics.

Sneakyz

Sweden2361 Posts

May 04 2012 14:21 GMT

#3784

I've seen pretty much every kind of starting position possible used. I haven't paid any attention to body proportions of the different lifters but everyone I've seen starting with the hips low have a big squat and vice versa.

TheResidentEvil

United States991 Posts

May 04 2012 15:24 GMT

#3785

your hips are supposed to be up. every single real deadlift looks like that. hips up and low back straight. upper back can arch. People say on forums, oh low hips are better use more legs. When you RDL you never lower your legs and it still works your hams.I dont know who started the whole higher up your hips are you are using your back. As long as your low back is straight. its impossible to not use your hams.Hams connect your knee to your butt. So DL uses the high hams that connect to your butt. I am glad someone finally said it on here! i told someone in a form check on reddit to raise their hips up more and got down voted into oblivion

Sneakyz

Sweden2361 Posts

May 04 2012 15:34 GMT

#3786

It's not about hams it's about quads :o

TheResidentEvil

United States991 Posts

May 04 2012 15:37 GMT

#3787

then you are doing it wrong. do snatch grip if you want to work more quads in your DL

Sneakyz

Sweden2361 Posts

May 04 2012 15:39 GMT

#3788

There is no wrong, but lower hips use more legs, period.

TheResidentEvil

United States991 Posts

May 04 2012 15:59 GMT

#3789

the squat is a quad dominant exercise. the deadlift is low back/glutes/hams dominant. You can always deadlift more than you can squat. If you are deadlifting to get big strong quads, you are gonna have a bad time.Do deadlifts the right way and do quads on squat day

Sneakyz

Sweden2361 Posts

May 04 2012 16:05 GMT

#3790

No you don't always deadlift more than you can squat, that's just plain wrong. I'm not even arguing from a training perspective because I don't give the slightest of fucks how anyone train, but to lift the most weight, someone with a good squat should obviously deadlift with hips low.

TheResidentEvil

United States991 Posts

May 04 2012 16:09 GMT

#3791

someone with a good squat and a worse deadlift should deadlift right because they have a real imbalance. Yes you should always be able to DL more than you can squat.

Jupiter

Australia73 Posts

May 04 2012 16:13 GMT

#3792

On May 05 2012 01:05 Sneakyz wrote:
No you don't always deadlift more than you can squat, that's just plain wrong. I'm not even arguing from a training perspective because I don't give the slightest of fucks how anyone train, but to lift the most weight, someone with a good squat should obviously deadlift with hips low.

Completely agree.

I Squat more than I deadlift. Always had a better squat ever since I started. Because of that I deadlift with my hips low so that I can get as much leg involved in the start of the motion.

KOVU

Denmark708 Posts

May 04 2012 16:39 GMT

#3793

On May 04 2012 13:15 AoN.DimSum wrote:

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A good olympic bar is the most important piece of equipment, since the spin will help you lift better. But if you cant afford it then get a cheaper bar. If you never lifted with a bar with a good spin, then you wont miss it.

Let me know what is your budget. I'll look for some bars.

I have a good deal of money to spare, but I live in Denmark and olympic bars are really hard to come by. I thought about buying a Pendlay bar, but they seem really really expensive, and the bumperplates seem incredibly expensive. I'm still really weak and unsure if i can feel any difference in a mediocre bar and good bar

AoN.DimSum

United States2983 Posts

May 04 2012 19:48 GMT

#3794

the bar will last you a lifetime!

Catch

United States616 Posts

May 04 2012 22:45 GMT

#3795

Yeah, hence why I'm buying a >250 bar from rogue once, instead of spending 150 replacing a cheap ass bar three times. I'll also spend money on a bench and a squat rack. I'll save money on the plates and foam rollers.

KOVU

Denmark708 Posts

May 05 2012 06:50 GMT

#3796

I'm a 19 y/o student living with my parents. Prolly won't be many years before I move to an apartment, and by then I most likely wont be able to use the bar any longer.

But I think I will buy a pendlay bar anyway - or is there any similar quality barbellbrands available in europe?

Risen

United States7927 Posts

May 05 2012 07:18 GMT

#3797

I'm an idiot and didn't take pictures of me going from 185 to 205... so when I make my update after cutting to 180 with pics it won't show me when I was up to 205. This makes me sad... Also, I wish I wasn't so vain. Strength gains are definitely dropping off now that I'm eating 1800 calories a day and off my gallon of milk a day 5-6k calorie diet. I just couldn't take being over 15% body fat. I was feeling disgusted :<

decafchicken

United States20166 Posts

May 05 2012 07:34 GMT

#3798

On May 05 2012 15:50 KOVU wrote:
I'm a 19 y/o student living with my parents. Prolly won't be many years before I move to an apartment, and by then I most likely wont be able to use the bar any longer.

But I think I will buy a pendlay bar anyway - or is there any similar quality barbellbrands available in europe?

You can look at eleiko or dhs as well

Sneakyz

Sweden2361 Posts

May 05 2012 08:28 GMT

#3799

On May 05 2012 16:34 decafchicken wrote:

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You can look at eleiko or dhs as well

I was looking at eleiko when I bought my barbell but the cheapest one I found in sweden would be equivalent to over $1100

unknown.sam

Philippines2701 Posts

May 05 2012 09:00 GMT

#3800

need some advice guys.

i've gotten my younger brother to start exercising so he can put on a bit of mass.

i don't have time to bring him to the gym because i usually come home pretty late, thus he only does the exercises at home.

my biggest worry is his squats. currently he's already done 3x8 bw squats. my problem now is how do i increase resistance progressively without access to gym and equipment? he also can't do pistols because he has a knee injury wherein squatting too deep induces medial knee pain.

we do have a pair of dumbells though.weight that can reach max of 40lbs each. i thought of putting those dumbbells on his shoulders while he squats but it's obviously not very safe. would weighted lunges suffice?

TIA!