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On July 21 2015 00:31 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2015 00:25 Redox wrote:On July 20 2015 23:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 20 2015 23:31 Alucen-Will- wrote:On July 20 2015 23:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 20 2015 23:02 Alucen-Will- wrote:
The only other thing I do is weight training every other day, and interval training on the off days. i've been doing Medhi's 5X5 since November 2007... it is simple and it is not easy. That's interesting. Another thing that both me and my father changed in terms of health science was moving away from longer cardio training as the fundamental component of exercise. as per Dr. John Berardi's stance on "solid state cardio"... its not that important. i'm too lazy to do all the research. i've just listened carefully to what Dr. Berardi has said on the matter and i pretty much agree with him. animals with 2 forward facing eyes and depth perception hunt their prey in a quick chase that contains at most 2 minutes of actual running not some 90 minute marathon. herbivores gather their food at a leisurely walking pace... and will quickly sprint away to avoid danger... in a matter of a couple of minutes. how many animals other than humans run around for 20+ minutes straight without taking a breather? not many. conclusion: fuck solid state cardio. What are these kinds of posts even supposed to say? You base your health and diet on how some animals hunt or what? That has like zero relation to you. Besides humans are built for endurance hunting and are very bad at sprinting. It comes with running on 2 legs. Yeah this is true that we are adapted that way. Still there isn't really evidence to suggest that running long distances as opposed to intervals of short sprints is really any better or worse for general health. Humans aren't really that slow in sprint, by the way.
Aren't that slow compared to what? What wild game can you out sprint? Lol
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I'm mildly amused at this discussion in the Nutrition thread.
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Hi,
Thanks for the information. I'll forget Leangains for now. Still difficult for me to eat 3500 kcal/day, though. I'd almost say it's harder than lifting the weights.
By the way, How accurate are these online calorie calculators http://www.acalculator.com/calorie.html .
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On August 08 2015 16:37 Kalegley wrote:Hi, Thanks for the information. I'll forget Leangains for now. Still difficult for me to eat 3500 kcal/day, though. I'd almost say it's harder than lifting the weights. By the way, How accurate are these online calorie calculators http://www.acalculator.com/calorie.html .
They aren't awful, but it's not exact even if it could accurately account for your activity level, which it usually can't.
They're good enough for you to use the number that they give you for 2-3 weeks. After those weeks, if your weight isnt doing what you want it to, adjust up or down.
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So a thought occurred to me. I'm sure some of you have heard the theory of adipose cells and that when you get fat you make more adipose cells that never go away and so it becomes harder to lose weight once you gain those cells. The examples of weightlifters that experience large weight shifts throughout the season would seem to refute that to some extent, don't you think?
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No, I don't think. Can you give an example?
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Were you asking for me to explain my scenario better, or were you asking for the counter-example?
The argument is:
Person gets really fat, creates many adipose cells, loses weight, but the adipose cells don't go away so the person will have a very hard time getting as thin as they were before even if there's very little triglycerides stored in the fat cells.
The counter example is....weightlifter gets relatively fat in their offseason but is still able to get relatively thin (body builder will probably get less fat but then gets extremely low body fat before competition, powerlifter is opposite).
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I was asking for an example of a lifter who gets "really fat."
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Well they aren't getting obese (although that's somewhat meaningless just going off of BMI), but many certainly put on weight during offseasons. 20% bodyfat isn't unreasonable.
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If they are 20% what do they cut down to?
What makes you think that their adipose cells are either not proliferating or are dying off more quickly?
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Do you think a) fat cells hang around forever (making future fat loss more difficult) or b) they are removed or become inconsequentially small?
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Is the vacillation of weight among weightlifters, especially bodybuilders, an indication that this is not significant? Yes/No
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Fat cells hang around a long time, but probably not forever.
Vacillation of weight among bodybuilders is not an indication either way, as adipose cells vary enormously in size depending on how much fat is being stored.
A couple of things are worth noting. The first is that bodybuilders look much fatter when they gain fat because they are already so big. Their faces swell, their muscles can hold a lot of water, and they generally look a lot fatter than an untrained individual with a similar body fat % and adipocyte count. The second is that bodybuilders are notorious for abusing fat burning drugs, including very dangerous ones, like dinitrophenol. The third is that the ratio of lean body mass to adipocytes is very influential in mediating how things like insulin/ghrelin/igf-1/mtor/etc. work in the body.
If you have less lean body mass but were a former fatty your body not only has all those shrunken adipocytes that proliferated when you were fatter, but also is going to preferentially shuttle excess energy into those adipocytes because you don't have the lean body mass foundation of a bodybuilder who has a much higher basal metabolic rate, probably less insulin resistance, more effective anabolic switch machinery, and the like.
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Thanks for your response.
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Has anyone tried PSMF (protein sparing modified fast) before?
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Why on earth would you want to do that?
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seems like it'd get the most results in the shortest time
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On November 23 2015 08:46 zulu_nation8 wrote:
seems like it'd get the most results in the shortest time
If you're currently over 30% bodyfat or taking PEDs, sure. If you're not either of those things, don't.
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what about doing like a 1500-1800 calorie version of it with more fat butl no carbs, which would just be keto but I'd be eating only lean protein
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how much weight do you want to lose
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