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On August 08 2012 18:40 rEiGN~ wrote:
Which are healthier carbs, white potatoes or white rice? I like eating both.
White potatoes have more micronutrients than white rice (still very little), but as a nightshade can potentially cause problems for some, although most of the anti-nutrients are in the skin, so don't eat that. Essentially, if you tolerate white potatoes well, eat either.
Also, although sweet potatoes have a lot more micronutrients than white potatoes, they also contain a lot of fructose which, again, can be problematic for some. I used to eat a massive amount of sweet potatoes and thought I felt bloated all the time from sheer food volume, when in actuality it seems to have been the fructose; I switched one of my high-carb meals to white rice and my digestion seems noticeably better.
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I'll vouch for the paleolithic lifestyle. The high fat low carb content provides long hours of energy and alertness. Not only great in general but great for Starcraft players.
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Is anyone here actually using fitday? I wanted to start logging calories but it's just sooo much work to log everything.
Are the alternatives that work better or do I just have to deal with it?
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On August 10 2012 16:12 zatic wrote:
Is anyone here actually using fitday? I wanted to start logging calories but it's just sooo much work to log everything.
Are the alternatives that work better or do I just have to deal with it?
cronometer
it's not that much work, just don't be too pedantic about it, no reason to count calories from green veggies for example.
http://cl.ly/image/2V3g0m2K231T
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@Zatic. I use a pen and paper journal. I could make it fit in my pocket if I really wanted, so it isn't too big. I simply log the calories and macronutrients in it. Way quicker than any online logger I've seen and way better; I don't have to find the food I want before I can even log it in, I can customize it how I see fit, and I can use it for other things if need be (I've put cooking tips/tricks/recipes in the back).
I fit a week's worth of food in there comfortably.
It does take a bit of effort even still; logging can be annoying at times. But since I've done this, it is one of those things I know I should have been doing the entire time.
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Pita Bread?
Is it good to eat some pita bread (to replace potatoes) after workout? (this being dinner around 8:30-9.
Also, good after workout meals?
I generally eat meat/potato or tuna/potato ;o?.
Sometimes I replace this with a chocolate Milkshake just for fuck's sake :D?
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rice, potato, low fat ice cream. hitting the macros and calories is probably most important.
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1800 calories was about just the right amount! It's been a month now and I noticed that I've lost a lot of fat on my love handles  and after doing squats for the first time my legs are like dead after each workout, and I only work them out once a week. It's gotta be the squats and deadlifts that have been burning my fat because I never seen so much fat burn off my body. Thanks again for the info guys.
I just hope that my chest fat goes away soon...
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On August 10 2012 16:12 zatic wrote:
Is anyone here actually using fitday? I wanted to start logging calories but it's just sooo much work to log everything.
Are the alternatives that work better or do I just have to deal with it?
I use it from time to time when i'm not sure how many calories i've eaten already. but I found that most of the foods on there have either too much fat or too much sugar. I guess food in america is just fattier/sweeter than in europe?
and yeah as has already been said I dont log all the vegetables I eat because they have like no calories anyway. I mainly log caloricly dense foods like meat, fat that I cook with, protein shakes and stuff like sweetpotatoes
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Zurich15365 Posts
Shouldn't there at least be a site out there that I can feed with my cell phone by just scanning supermarket barcodes?
The main trouble I am having though is calculating the calories of the company cafeteria lunch. I am mean it's so easy to be off by a couple of hundreds if you don't know what exactly went in there.
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Just discovered that brown sauce goes really well with rice.
zatic: that's why you can't really eat lunch "out" if you're counting calories, it's impossible.
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On August 15 2012 04:00 rEiGN~ wrote:Just discovered that brown sauce goes really well with rice. zatic: that's why you can't really eat lunch "out" if you're counting calories, it's impossible.
Asked the cafeteria why they give calorie count for one of the three meals (the "fitness" line) but not the others. They simply said that's "impossible". Meh -_-
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Lol thats a pretty bad cafetaria. They should really know how many calories their meals contain. Its not that hard to know if they make the meals themselves.
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Nah, it's close to impossible. The cook would have to weigh everything he puts into it (and divide it by the number of meals handed out, which can only be guessed at best), noone has that amount of time, they have to cook for a couple of hundred people. Then you have to weight what they actually put on your plate. And then you also need to know what you plate weighs. And don't forget not each piece of meat they are handing out has the same amount of fat or protein (which also is easier to messure at home, you just get a closer look).
Eating outside and calorie counting is just a huge guessing game. I was on a camping trip and afterwards visited my parents for a week and we ate out a lot. Now I am pretty much a calorie counting machine, I know all the values from stuff I eat by heart, and I can guess portion size pretty well. I gained 2kg over 13days and by my calculations it should not have been more than a kg maybe. That is basically 7000 calories off in like 2 weeks.
The only way is to do it right is to cook at home. When eating outside it just helps to consume food which is pretty straight forward... eggs, "Brötchen" and stuff is pretty easy to calculate, like Brötchen basically always weigh between 60 and 70g, and with bread you never know (but since everyone here avoids bread anyway... it is just an example.
But I still eat outside fairly frequently, it isn't too bad if you get at least 2/3 of your calories within your own walls. It greatly reduces the variance and then it doesn't matter if you were off by 150kcal for the one meal you took somewhere else. 100% accuracy is impossible anyway.
Just since it is on this page: I do use Fitday religieusly, I have logged everything since 14months and barely missed 30-40days (holidays and stuff). I just use custom foods though and never their database. It is a huge pain in the ass to collect everything you ever eat into that database, but once it is basically complete, it is not a huge timesink anymore.
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Nutrition is a very interesting subject for me and I've been researching it for years. I’d love to share what I’ve dug up. This will be a long post but I'll try to keep it as short as possible, I've included the best resources I've found and below are summaries of the info.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor or a health professional of any sort. I have had no formal training in health care or nutrition, and this information is not meant to treat or cure any diseases or medical conditions. I am not advising that you take any action based on this information and accept no responsibility for what you do with it, if you use it it’s at your own risk.
Proper Diet:
A proper diet consists of:
- Fruit (any edible fruit that can be eaten without cooking it, includes fruit oils)
- Fish (raw, kind with scales, smaller fish like salmon preferably)
- Egg yolk (raw)
- Nuts (from trees, e.g. pecan nuts, almonds)
This is all that is necessary.
Herbs, vegetables, dairy products, grains, meat can also be eaten but they are not only unnecessary but actually harmful.
Processing these unnecessary products makes them even worse in the case of foods that can eaten raw (milk, some vegetables), or is necessary to make an inedible or poisonous product, totally unfit for human consumption, into something that can be eaten without vomiting (soybeans, grains).
Notes:
- Battery and many "free range" hens eat an unhealthy diet and are kept in unsanitary conditions, and their eggs are stored for weeks before you buy them, so try and get good-quality eggs which don’t have so many bacteria.
- Supermarket fish are often reared in crowded, polluted fish farms and subject to parasitic infestation, drugged with antibiotics, and unsuitable for eating raw (eat only high-quality sashimi or take fish oil supplements).
- It’s best to check the waiworld.com reference below before trying this diet, for example you should know that if you start eating raw eggs you should start slowly, eating half a teaspoon of yolk a day first to get your body used to the bacteria.
- Foods should be properly combined. For example it's a bad idea to eat starchy foods with proteinaceous, and sweet fruits with starchy fruits, due to differences in how they are digested.
- You definitely don’t need to eat to excess to grow big, just eat as much healthy food as you want.
From personal experience, as a person who gets fat easily on processed food, it's impossible for me to get fat on this diet. I can literally stuff myself with bananas, oranges or any other fruit all day long and I just stay slim, even without exercising. I don’t eat huge quantities of eggs, oil and fish but doubt these could make me fat.
Keep in mind that some rare people are allergic to certain fruits, e.g. bananas, and some fruit like bananas and papayas contain substances which mean the body should get used to digesting small amounts, increasing over time, before it's good to eat larger amounts.
Sources:
- waiworld.com – excellent site with very well referenced nutritional information.
- “Food Combining Made Easy” (1982) – proper combining of foods by Herbert M. Shelton, summary here.
Effects of diet on health and physique:
1) Arnold DeVries looked at a variety of primitive tribes (now mostly gone) around the world (the Eskimos, Masai, Hunza, Marquesan Islanders etc.) and found a consistent correlation between their diet and their health and longevity.
The healthiest tribes, the Marquesans and Hunza, basically never got sick and often lived over 100 years.
The westerners who discovered these tribes were very impressed with the extreme strength, energy, health, perfect proportions and intelligence of these people, completely different from what is considered normal today.
When a tribe went from their traditional (mostly) raw food diet to a diet of processed food their health declined dramatically and they quickly started getting all the diseases of the developed world, showing that genetics is not a factor, only diet.
2) In the 1930's Dr Robert McCarrison did scientific tests on rats to determine the effects of diet. He fed groups of rats on various diets identical to those eaten by various Indian tribes.
The groups fed on the same diet as the very healthy Indian tribes displayed the same health and strong physique, the groups fed on diets eaten by the unhealthy, sickly tribes displayed the same weakness and diseases.
This (among other research) also shows that disease is mainly the result of poor diet.
Sources:
- “Primitive Man and His Food” (1952) by Arnold DeVries
- Articles on nutrition by Dr Robert McCarrison (1930’s):
Diseases of Faulty Nutrition
Nutrition in Health and Disease
Studies in Deficiency Disease
Exercise:
In 1910 a man called Sanford Bennett developed a set of about 30 light exercises (for "lazy people") which can be done in bed and which exercise every muscle in the body.
He didn't bother with a healthy diet (although this was in 1910, processed food and the environment is a lot more toxic these days) yet he was still extremely fit, youthful-looking and very well built at 72, from being sickly and old-looking at 50, when he first started developing the exercise program.
I've been doing these exercises myself (for about 2 months) and they've done much better for me than gym, with less effort. They take about an hour a day so I only do the full set on weekends. Progress is rapid, you’ll notice the difference in two weeks.
Source:
- "Old Age, its Cause and Prevention" (1912), by Sanford Bennett (lots of pics).
The Pharmaceutical Industry (relevant to health):
"The FDA [Federal Drug Administration] protects the big drug companies, and is subsequently rewarded, and using the government's police powers, they attack those who threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing, and what the public thinks it is doing are as different as night and day."
- Dr. Herbert Ley, Former Commissioner of the U.S. F.D.A.
If the attainment and maintenance of good health and physique is so simple and cheap why aren’t we told about it? So the pharmaceutical and processed food companies can make a profit. This is why companies are incorporated, everything else is nothing but PR, especially for any large company.
Good nutrition is very cheap, uses natural unpatentable substances and is therefore not profitable at all for the pharmaceutical companies, so it's not taught in the pharma-subsidized medical schools.
As for the government watchdogs who are supposed to ensure ethical behaviour by these companies (e.g. the FDA), see the quote above and do some digging for yourself. It’s the same whatever country you’re in, and I know in SA our medics generally follow FDA guidelines.
Also note that in emergencies, e.g. if you've swallowed poison or broken an arm, its best to see a medical doctor, they are best in the ER.
All of the sources I’ve posted are online, and the books are old and generally out of print so can be downloaded legally, although you’d have to check that for yourself.
Hopefully this wasn't too long, I could post more but this is the most important stuff.
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I think you are the first person i've seen to say that vegetables are harmful.
also, a lot of your sources seem to be very old? not saying that is bad per se, but outdated science is often not the best science!
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On August 18 2012 18:59 Zafrumi wrote:
I think you are the first person i've seen to say that vegetables are harmful.
also, a lot of your sources seem to be very old? not saying that is bad per se, but outdated science is often not the best science!
Apparently vegetables have too much fibre which ages the colon quickly and causes other problems, and contain too many nitrates, especially in today's overfertilized industrial farms. Still better than processed food, but why eat bland slightly dangerous vegetables when you can eat proper human food like fruit?
The main reference (waiworld.com) uses up-to-date journal articles. As for the older books human physiology obviously hasn't changed. Bennett's exercises work just as well today as they did then, DeVries's observations of primitive tribes and McCarrison's experiments on rats are still entirely relevant, etc.
These days (as always) there is a lot of confusion with regards to diet and disease and there are and always have been a lot of fads around which don't neccessarily work. The pharmaceutical companies are perfectly happy with this and don't see any need to dispel the myths.
There are many amazing discoveries in the field of health (and elsewhere), some made many years ago, which are ignored because they don't suit the profit agenda. Just because these discoveries are old does not mean they are not relevant today, and scientists of a century ago were well aware of the correct application of the scientific method.
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You definitely don’t need to eat to excess to grow big, just eat as much healthy food as you want.
sounds like pseudo-science
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On August 19 2012 04:01 rEiGN~ wrote:Show nested quote +You definitely don’t need to eat to excess to grow big, just eat as much healthy food as you want. sounds like pseudo-science
Depends on what the definition of "big" is 
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