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RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
August 27 2011 10:44 GMT
#10521
I love the Bulgarian method. 6 days of squatting in a row and not a single episode of DOMS.

4 new PRs set as well.

Like a boss.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 11:46:55
August 27 2011 11:46 GMT
#10522
Bulgarian method? Are you training like 50 times a day, everyday?
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
August 27 2011 12:21 GMT
#10523
On August 27 2011 20:46 Energies wrote:
Bulgarian method? Are you training like 50 times a day, everyday?


Hahaha, OK, maybe the Americanized Bulgarian method .

6 sessions a week right now. It's going pretty easy so when I move into a new place and buy a squat rack I may slowly start working into 1.5x/day sessions.

I've got another question for @eshlow or anyone who knows about Leangains.

I know the system works like this:

Lifting days: High brotein, moderate-high carb, low fat
Non-lifting days: High brotein, moderate-high fat, low carb

But for people training 5-6 times a week, would we still keep up the high carb so often? I'm going to stay primal of course with plenty of potatoes and whatnot, but I'm still worried about consistently hitting 300 carbs/day.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9377 Posts
August 27 2011 12:53 GMT
#10524
You bitches know NOTHING!

You feel like dying! You go into the gym and get a down to earth talk from your weights! Oh si! Fuck si! :D

112kg Squat 3x5 up yo ass
82kg bench press 3x5 oh yeah lift some chest bro!
4x3 62kg powerClean
1x3 66kg powerClean

Feels good man.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Tulius
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil52 Posts
August 27 2011 13:32 GMT
#10525
On August 27 2011 21:53 funkie wrote:
You bitches know NOTHING!

You feel like dying! You go into the gym and get a down to earth talk from your weights! Oh si! Fuck si! :D

112kg Squat 3x5 up yo ass
82kg bench press 3x5 oh yeah lift some chest bro!
4x3 62kg powerClean
1x3 66kg powerClean

Feels good man.


laying in my bed, feeling like crap while reading this (maybe just sad at Idra's losses at MLG, lol)

time to hit the gym. only went wednesday this week, lets see if I can turn them tables and hit some PRs today
rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
August 27 2011 14:08 GMT
#10526
Went to gym for the lulz. 3x5 bench (first was 6x80kg ), bent over row, incline DB press, pulldowns with parallel grip, lateral raises and some DB curls.

For some reason pulldowns with parallel grip and seated rows cause slight but sharp pain in my left shoulder when I'm fully extended. No idea if it's related to my old shoulder injury where I tripped and fell on my shoulder which caused some kind of luxation, but didn't have to be put back. Maybe it's better to avoid those exercises or not extend as far.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 27 2011 15:10 GMT
#10527
On August 27 2011 15:58 Matoo- wrote:
Mounted my rings on the ceiling today. Holy shit ring exercises are mindblowingly difficult. It's crazy. I can't even do 5 ring pushups before muscles in my chest that I didn't even know existed start killing me. And let's not even talk about ring dips... 15 seconds of ring support position and I'm already dead. Looks like I'm going to be busy for a looooong time with basic strength exercises. :>


Haha... yeah. You don't realize how hard stuff is on there until you try it.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
August 27 2011 15:41 GMT
#10528
On August 27 2011 19:44 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
I love the Bulgarian method. 6 days of squatting in a row and not a single episode of DOMS.

4 new PRs set as well.

Like a boss.


Have any information on it? All I know about the bulgarian method is that it's for people who already know what they're doing, it's a meat grinder, and it's about listening to your body and daily maxes. It sounds really interesting though, and I've got a buddy who could use something similar.
Drorctopus
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands135 Posts
August 27 2011 15:44 GMT
#10529
Hey guys, my gym doesnt have weight of 1,25kg so i can only add 5kg at a time, but i dont want to go from 3x5x50kg to 3x5x55kg, any way i can fix this ?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
August 27 2011 15:48 GMT
#10530
On August 28 2011 00:41 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 19:44 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
I love the Bulgarian method. 6 days of squatting in a row and not a single episode of DOMS.

4 new PRs set as well.

Like a boss.


Have any information on it? All I know about the bulgarian method is that it's for people who already know what they're doing, it's a meat grinder, and it's about listening to your body and daily maxes. It sounds really interesting though, and I've got a buddy who could use something similar.


You also need a bulgarian pharmacy :p

I remember there was a link to a completely insanse workout
I kept this one for for reference, seemed more reasonable

http://www.ampedtraining.com/workouts/bulgarian-style-training

Also my heavy deadlift today:

314x3, 334x2, 354x1x3

People stop working out to watch me lol.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
August 27 2011 15:59 GMT
#10531
On August 28 2011 00:44 Drorctopus wrote:
Hey guys, my gym doesnt have weight of 1,25kg so i can only add 5kg at a time, but i dont want to go from 3x5x50kg to 3x5x55kg, any way i can fix this ?


Purchase 1.25kg plates online - they won't be expensive. Just make sure you get some that don't look like the other plates in your gym, and you'll be fine to bring them in and out with you.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 27 2011 16:00 GMT
#10532
On August 27 2011 19:30 Fleshcut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 00:39 emperorchampion wrote:
On August 26 2011 21:10 Fleshcut wrote:
I'm not the guy to simply go into a gym and train for myself. I'm also too lazy to make a plan like many of you guys seem to have. So in order to get healthy and fit I just go into a boxing course from my university where other people command me and tell me what to do. Its 3x a week with 2h of straight up training with no brake. Its unbelievably hard! Im not even able to go 3x a week because my muscles are ripped into shreds everytime I went there but you can see and feel the first results already. Last time I was there was on wednesday and my fingers are still hurting enough to make it impossible to play sc2 LOL.
Hopefully I'll continue the training for weeks/months/years to become a better person!
Wish me luck!

**sitenote: I havent done any sports at all over the last 10 years and thanks to TL I finally made the step out of this doom loop! GO me! :3


<3 Boxing

I have seen people who had to duck out after half an hour the first class tear through classes like it's nothing after a couple weeks.

Just push yourself and stick with it.


I do, I really do. But my muscles still burn like hell... is there a way to prevent that pain or make it go away faster? Because I really need my muscles for other stuff than boxing.


As to go away faster, idk I'm sure someone here could recommend some sort of therapy.

But in reality, after a couple weeks what you are doing now will seem so easy- your body will adapt to the stress and it will literally be nothing. Then you should start Starting Strength and bulk up as well !
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Tulius
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil52 Posts
August 27 2011 17:07 GMT
#10533
so I went to the gym and
set a new PR on front squats (expected since this is only the 2nd time I do them)
failed OHP for the 2nd time after a reset
did a deadlift with the same weight as last week, with good form
and 10 pullups.

by now my maxes look like this:
Back Squat: 56kg x5
Bench: 65kg x5
OHP: 42kg x5
DL: 88kg x5

(~3rd month on SS, before that I did those brograms with lot of emphasys on the upper body, that's why bench is higher than squat -_- - I'm 182 cm/68kg right now)
my question is: according to strength standarts my bench and OHP are a bit past "novice" level while squat and DL are closer to "untrained"
I'm having a lot of trouble to progress with Bench and OHP, but I'm sure I can still progress a lot on Squat and DLs (lack of a proper squat rack is holding me back, tho)
Should I change my program?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 17:26:14
August 27 2011 17:23 GMT
#10534
On August 28 2011 02:07 Tulius wrote:
so I went to the gym and
set a new PR on front squats (expected since this is only the 2nd time I do them)
failed OHP for the 2nd time after a reset
did a deadlift with the same weight as last week, with good form
and 10 pullups.

by now my maxes look like this:
Back Squat: 56kg x5
Bench: 65kg x5
OHP: 42kg x5
DL: 88kg x5

(~3rd month on SS, before that I did those brograms with lot of emphasys on the upper body, that's why bench is higher than squat -_- - I'm 182 cm/68kg right now)
my question is: according to strength standarts my bench and OHP are a bit past "novice" level while squat and DL are closer to "untrained"
I'm having a lot of trouble to progress with Bench and OHP, but I'm sure I can still progress a lot on Squat and DLs (lack of a proper squat rack is holding me back, tho)
Should I change my program?


How's your power clean? Or are you doing rows instead? Being "finished" with as should be dictated by your squat and dead, and those numbers are still very low. If you wanted to add 3xf dips and chins at the end of the a&b workout respectively though, I don't think it would hurt you.

Program add is one othe biggest enemies of a novice lifter. Do what works.
Tulius
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil52 Posts
August 27 2011 18:08 GMT
#10535
On August 28 2011 02:23 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 02:07 Tulius wrote:
so I went to the gym and
set a new PR on front squats (expected since this is only the 2nd time I do them)
failed OHP for the 2nd time after a reset
did a deadlift with the same weight as last week, with good form
and 10 pullups.

by now my maxes look like this:
Back Squat: 56kg x5
Bench: 65kg x5
OHP: 42kg x5
DL: 88kg x5

(~3rd month on SS, before that I did those brograms with lot of emphasys on the upper body, that's why bench is higher than squat -_- - I'm 182 cm/68kg right now)
my question is: according to strength standarts my bench and OHP are a bit past "novice" level while squat and DL are closer to "untrained"
I'm having a lot of trouble to progress with Bench and OHP, but I'm sure I can still progress a lot on Squat and DLs (lack of a proper squat rack is holding me back, tho)
Should I change my program?


How's your power clean? Or are you doing rows instead? Being "finished" with as should be dictated by your squat and dead, and those numbers are still very low. If you wanted to add 3xf dips and chins at the end of the a&b workout respectively though, I don't think it would hurt you.

Program add is one othe biggest enemies of a novice lifter. Do what works.


oh I forgot to add that I'm not doing original SS, but practical programming novice program, so not doing PC but doing chin-ups/pull-ups instead (currently at 15 reps for chins, 10 for pulls, no weight added)
based on how I'm feeling I think that I'm not being able to progress in OHP and BP because my body isn't being able to recover fully before the next workout (I might be wrong here... but that's how it feels), so I don't know if adding more assistance stuff would help (unless I reduce the load for the main exercises, would that be good to get through a plateau?)
Ohnoes92
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden76 Posts
August 27 2011 18:51 GMT
#10536
On August 28 2011 02:07 Tulius wrote:


by now my maxes look like this:
Back Squat: 56kg x5
Bench: 65kg x5
OHP: 42kg x5
DL: 88kg x5

(~3rd month on SS, before that I did those brograms with lot of emphasys on the upper body, that's why bench is higher than squat -_- - I'm 182 cm/68kg


Wow you are ridicolously close to me, both in terms of body size and strength. wanna compete a bit?

186cm, 68kg
squat 75kg x5
bench 55kg x5
OHP 35kg x5
DL 85kg x5
powerclean 45kg (can do more, been working on my form)
Ohai!
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
August 27 2011 18:53 GMT
#10537
First day of PHAT, felt awesome. Just gotta be sure to not go out to hard the first few weeks, but not going all out is hard for me ^_^. Looking forward to power my way to new gains!
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Tulius
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil52 Posts
August 27 2011 18:54 GMT
#10538
On August 28 2011 03:51 Ohnoes92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 02:07 Tulius wrote:


by now my maxes look like this:
Back Squat: 56kg x5
Bench: 65kg x5
OHP: 42kg x5
DL: 88kg x5

(~3rd month on SS, before that I did those brograms with lot of emphasys on the upper body, that's why bench is higher than squat -_- - I'm 182 cm/68kg


Wow you are ridicolously close to me, both in terms of body size and strength. wanna compete a bit?

186cm, 68kg
squat 75kg x5
bench 55kg x5
OHP 35kg x5
DL 85kg x5
powerclean 45kg (can do more, been working on my form)


sure, we could compete to see if you can catch up to my upper body exercises b4 I catch up with your squat ^^
DL is pretty even
are you on fitocracy?
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
August 27 2011 18:58 GMT
#10539
On August 27 2011 07:57 stevarius wrote:
This is a good template that I personally use:
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Layne_Norton's_Power/Hypertrophy_Routine

Side note:

Restarted workout routine last week. I've gained 8 pounds in 2 weeks eating 3k calories a day consistently. Beast mode engaged.

I'm not exactly tall so I plan to bulk to about 160 then cut to 150ish. I would look insane at a cut 155.


What do you weigh currently? I just hope you know of those 8 pounds, maybe a pound (give or take half a pound) was probably muscle. Probably half a pound, but I don't know how new you are either.

I was in the same boat, so I just figured I'd let you know.

@Ravzy: You sound kinda like me, I hate running lol when did you decide to give it a shot? I'm going to be starting couch to 5k in the spring since I live about ~10 minutes away from a bunch of soccer fields I can run on.
---
@Energies: I feel you, I'm kind of in the same boat. Been practicing front squats (down to a parallel box until next week) and good lord they are so grueling for me. I think I found a weakpoint in my back too from them, because my back is sore almost more than my quads.
----
@Fleshcut: Take in more protein? Carbs pre/post workout as well. Plus, as you do it more you'll get used to it and then DOMS won't be a problem really.
Victory Loves Preparation
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 19:18:37
August 27 2011 18:58 GMT
#10540
On August 28 2011 03:08 Tulius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 02:23 phyre112 wrote:
On August 28 2011 02:07 Tulius wrote:
so I went to the gym and
set a new PR on front squats (expected since this is only the 2nd time I do them)
failed OHP for the 2nd time after a reset
did a deadlift with the same weight as last week, with good form
and 10 pullups.

by now my maxes look like this:
Back Squat: 56kg x5
Bench: 65kg x5
OHP: 42kg x5
DL: 88kg x5

(~3rd month on SS, before that I did those brograms with lot of emphasys on the upper body, that's why bench is higher than squat -_- - I'm 182 cm/68kg right now)
my question is: according to strength standarts my bench and OHP are a bit past "novice" level while squat and DL are closer to "untrained"
I'm having a lot of trouble to progress with Bench and OHP, but I'm sure I can still progress a lot on Squat and DLs (lack of a proper squat rack is holding me back, tho)
Should I change my program?


How's your power clean? Or are you doing rows instead? Being "finished" with as should be dictated by your squat and dead, and those numbers are still very low. If you wanted to add 3xf dips and chins at the end of the a&b workout respectively though, I don't think it would hurt you.

Program add is one othe biggest enemies of a novice lifter. Do what works.


oh I forgot to add that I'm not doing original SS, but practical programming novice program, so not doing PC but doing chin-ups/pull-ups instead (currently at 15 reps for chins, 10 for pulls, no weight added)
based on how I'm feeling I think that I'm not being able to progress in OHP and BP because my body isn't being able to recover fully before the next workout (I might be wrong here... but that's how it feels), so I don't know if adding more assistance stuff would help (unless I reduce the load for the main exercises, would that be good to get through a plateau?)


I am pretty sure that the Practical Programming Novice Program also incorporates Power Cleans. Last time I checked the SS-wiki, it was outlined wrong (in my opinion, but I checked against the book and I am pretty sure the wiki is wrong, Rippetoe is all about the Power Clean in all his Strength-Programs). It should be alternating Chins and Deadlift/Powerclean:

Chins
Deadlift
Chins
Power Clean
Chins
Deadlift
Chins
Power Clean
...

edit: I think it actually also alternates Chins and Pull-ups, but that distinction feels less important to me.

edit2: Just checked the book again, the correct programm looks like this:
+ Show Spoiler +

Squat Press Deadlift

Squat Bench Chins

Squat Press Powerclean

Squat Bench Pull-ups

Squat Press Deadlift

Squat Bench Chins

etc.

Adding Front Squats once a week (2nd workout, 5th, 8th, 11th...) instead of Back Squats makes it more complicated, you may have 4 weeks (12 workouts) until the same workout repeats itself.


Besides that, I don't know what your goals are, but 182cm at 68kg is just very skinny for this kind of programming. If you really want to progress in the squat and deadlift, you should probably consider adding 10-15 more kg to your frame (you can still cut most of it later). If you don't want to do that, progress will just come much slower to you, that's just how it is. Your numbers right now indicate that you have not nearly exhausted your progress on the program.


"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
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