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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 07:46:45
August 14 2011 07:45 GMT
#9961
That's really skinny, and really small. Ketogenic diet is normally used for epilepsy, so that's possible. But still, I'm a really tiny 5'4" at 113.\

Wtf is with vitamin D. Time to search. Dont think I have any in the house. What kind of dosage?
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
August 14 2011 07:56 GMT
#9962
On August 14 2011 13:01 AndyJay wrote:
Anyone seen the 2008 doco Bigger Strong Faster? It says a lot of interesting things about performance enhancing drugs and professional sports.

Did watch it. After I saw it I realised that there's basicaly NO way at the top that non-steroids users can compete with steroids users. Steroids users can train harder, faster and safer : /

Pretty depressing for me, but a decent docu imo.
Playing League of Legends. IGN: Plain Skill
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
August 14 2011 08:01 GMT
#9963
On August 14 2011 09:02 Matoo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:10 eshlow wrote:
On August 12 2011 09:00 Matoo- wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:06 eshlow wrote:
On August 11 2011 10:49 Matoo- wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Ok this is going to be a beginner's post so please bear with me.

Matoo
Age: 27 || Height: 6'2" - 188 cm || Weight: 170 lbs - 77 kg

Context: I haven't done any exercise in the past 10 yrs. Two weeks ago I decided to get in better shape and did some exercise, mostly pull-ups, push-ups, sit-ups and such. I capped out at a ridiculously low amount of reps (around 3 pulls-ups, 10 push-ups, and 20 sit-ups). Then my body ached for half a week. I bought a 15 lbs dumbbell and continued training for about 30 min everyday.

2 weeks later I felt like ok I like this and I want to continue. So I started documentating myself, including spending about 5 hrs reading through the links in the OP. And yeah I was doing it all wrong of course. Overstraining the shoulder and elbow, doing a shitton of reps of biceps curls, etc.

That's fine. It's not like I was expecting to get it right without any prior knowledge anyway. But now that I know that I want to continue then I should do it right.

Facts:
- I'd like to keep exercizing at home.
- I already have a pullup bar, a 15 lb dumbbell, and a basic bench (see picture).
- Barbells looks like the best thing out there and I could buy one. However my right knee is fucked; if I do some running, about 10 minutes in it will start hurting like hell and then it'll take days for the pain to disappear. So I'm really not hot for any squat- or deadlift-based workouts, since they will require me to flex/unflex my knee a lot, with added weight on top of it.
- I can definitely buy a pair of rings.

With all of that taken into account, what would you think about doing:
- Dumbbell bench presses (SS says it's as good as barbell ones)
- Dumbbell presses
- Chin-ups (adding weight once I reach 12+ reps)
- Ring exercises: Now I'm a bit lost. There's so many. What would be the best ring exercises that I could do to train the remaining muscles that haven't been covered by the previous exercises (since I probably can't do squats or deadlifts, sadly).

I was also thinking about:
- Handstand push-ups: they look both very useful and fun as hell, especially if I manage to do them freestanding after a while, and I could buy a mat. But aren't they redundant with dumbbell presses?
- Roman chair exercises (cheap!): useful according to SS, but aren't abs covered by ring exercises already?

I'd also incorporate stretching several times a day for flexibility (mine is terrible), and swimming for about 30 min every day for cardio/endurance. On the days that I workout, I would do stretching - workout - swimming - stretching.

Regarding nutrition: I'm French so bread has been my life so far. However I'm living in the US now so it's a good occasion to try a grainless paleo diet (despite my absolute love for good burgers). I'll keep at it for the next two months and see if I feel healthier or not.

Anyway I'd like to have input regarding the set of exercises I could incorporate in my workout (taking into account my bad knee). Once I know what exercises I do I'll be able to make it to the next step and get a precise workout build running with weight/set/reps/goals etc.


First thing is first.

Need to fix the knee injury. Whether going to a doctor if rest isn't helping or whatever.

After that you need some goals.... what are you trying to accomplish?

"getting fit" et al are not good goals..

Do you want to improve body comp? If so, how much?
Do you want to gain strength? if so in what? how many reps? what weight? what skills?

Randomly throwing somethign together with no hint of progression is pretty much useless and whne you just go do things randomly like you did it can easily lead to overuse injuries.

Doctors already told me to rest when I first experienced this problem 6 months ago. I can now tell it didn't work. So I plan to have my knee looked at again but I can't do that until October, which is when I'm back in France for a few months with full medical coverage. Two months is a long time and I'd like to start exercising (let's not call it real training then) before that.

And yeah my main focus is to reduce body fat %. As well as flexibility and endurance but these two look simpler in comparison - the op links to stretching resources that are pretty straightforward and I've got a pool I can just swim in every day. So what do you people use to measure body comp? Scales w/ electric current measurement? Apparently it's not very accurate but at least it's easily affordable and still ok-ish if paying attention to how much you just drank / been swimming / etc.


Any doctor who says to rest you need to ask them why. If they can't give you a good answer, it's not a good call. Rest solves some problems, it doesn't solve others. You always need to ask the why and what they think it is. if they can't answer the question you need to see someone better.

Straight up reduce body fat is all in your diet.

If you are going to do swimming you should swim sprints and take rests... kinda like HIIT for running. that's going to help your body composition more than just swimming lots of laps like cardio would be just steady state running.

In the meantime you can do bodyweight strength training that is fine.... try to progess and not just increase the repetitions beyond like 10.

Thanks for the advice. After reading up a lot about gymnastics I've found it to be quite fascinating and ordered a pair of rings and a book (Building the Gymastic Body) that should help me do the exercises with proper form. I'm going to spend the next 2 months doing very basic bodyweight exercises followed by sprint/rest swimming and heavy stretching.

Here's what my program is going to look like:
+ Show Spoiler +
Warmup:
Work towards achieving 60s plank / reverse plank / hollow hold with arms up / arch hold / parallel bar support / chin-up & pull-up dead hang / inverted hang.
3 sets of each.

Basic workout:
- Push-ups with elevated feet until 10+, then dips (on rings) until 10+, then weighted.
- Chin-ups / pull-ups until 10+, then weighted.
3 sets of each.

Advanced workout:
I'll only start doing this once I can hold the warmup exercises for 60s.
- Planche.
- Front lever and back lever.
- Spend 15 minutes in handstand position (on wall) working towards good form, free-standing handstand, and pushups.

2 days of rest between workouts.
Gonna write down my current scores to keep track of progression.

--

Then 20 min of swimming: sprinting sequences followed by rest.

--

Then 40 min of stretching:
Scapula mobilization (from here), wall slides, cat stretch, arms back, seated pike, seated straddle, frog stretch, partial side splits, knee lunge, kneeling pike, seal stretch, bridge wall walk, german hangs (rings), all the while doing wrist movements when my arms are free. Also, wrist pushups, from my knees at first because it hurts too much otherwise.
3 sets of each.
Gonna take pictures of myself in maximum extension to keep track of flexibility gains.

--

Eat paleo + protein-heavy food.

I'm a bit lost regarding the frequency of the stretching though. I've read on some websites that the more the merrier and if you can stretch multiple times a day it's great. Others say that it's better to do post-workout heavy stretching that will leave you sore as fuck but only once or two times a week. My current take would be to do the full 40-min stretching about 2 times a week, but do the wrist pushups everyday. Is that correct?


wow your program is very similiar to mine.
for all bw excercises be strict on your form
like for push ups- have your hands placed ( any width) aligned with your and not your shoulders. and also tense your abs abit and your legs so that you have a stable core and straight body when doing the push ups. and keep your head decently tucked to your chest.
for bench dips- make sure you are warm and stretched so you dont strain your shoulder. also make sure your lower back/ back touches the bench when you go down and if it doesnt then you might strain your shoulder.
for planks try doing one legged or one armed or weighted when you can get past 40-50 seconds.
for swimming and running read up on HIIT training as eshlow staated before.
good luck on your progress and keep posting

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Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
August 14 2011 09:01 GMT
#9964
So in the Starting Strength section it shows exercises such as squats and bench presses with the instructions of 3 sets of 5 reps. I've seen a lot of people talking about 5 sets of 5 reps though and I'm very interested in that, can anyone give me some info? I can't find anything on it.
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Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
August 14 2011 09:24 GMT
#9965
A popular 5x5 program is stronglifts which is also mentioned in the OP. http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/
http://s3.amazonaws.com/StrongLifts/stronglifts-5x5-report.pdf

They're both solid programs and with a progress on linear progression so are good for beginners.

@Everyone else.
Stop posting so fast! I thought I had another week before we got to 500 pages and post progress updates.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
August 14 2011 09:25 GMT
#9966
On August 14 2011 16:42 4thHatchery wrote:
@Matoo- Yes! Nice to see someone else start bodyweight training. Good luck and enjoy acquiring new skills. Take good care of your wrists though mine are kinda fucked.

Sorry to hear that, how did you damage them? And yeah my wrist flexibility is terrible right now. It hurts a lot if I try to do the planche with fingers pointing forward (it's ok-ish with fingers pointing outwards). I've added this exercise to my stretching routine, and will start training planche only when I feel comfortable.

Also, I don't want to spill my brains on the concrete floor of my garage so I'm gonna buy a mat to put below the rings. But mats look super expensive, the cheapest one I've found is this one at $160 :/ any suggestions?
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
August 14 2011 09:42 GMT
#9967
On August 14 2011 17:01 jjhchsc2 wrote:
for push ups- have your hands placed ( any width) aligned with your and not your shoulders.

for bench dips- make sure you are warm and stretched so you dont strain your shoulder. also make sure your lower back/ back touches the bench when you go down and if it doesnt then you might strain your shoulder.

Looks like you skipped a word in your first sentence :p with what should my hands be aligned? I thought that hands could be placed anywhere really, e.g. placing them closer to the belly button will be harder but prepare better for the planche, etc.

About the dips, I'm going to do them on rings, from what I've read it doesn't cause as many shoulder problems as bench dips.

Wish you a good progress too.
4thHatchery
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Finland125 Posts
August 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#9968
On August 14 2011 18:25 Matoo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 16:42 4thHatchery wrote:
@Matoo- Yes! Nice to see someone else start bodyweight training. Good luck and enjoy acquiring new skills. Take good care of your wrists though mine are kinda fucked.

Sorry to hear that, how did you damage them? And yeah my wrist flexibility is terrible right now. It hurts a lot if I try to do the planche with fingers pointing forward (it's ok-ish with fingers pointing outwards). I've added this exercise to my stretching routine, and will start training planche only when I feel comfortable.

Also, I don't want to spill my brains on the concrete floor of my garage so I'm gonna buy a mat to put below the rings. But mats look super expensive, the cheapest one I've found is this one at $160 :/ any suggestions?

I guess I've worked through pain a bit too much. Plus, I have poor blood circulation in my hands and feet. There's still some discomfort in handstands and I stopped planche progressions for now. I'm working on wrist flexibility as well and also doing wrist pushups on my knees. I don't know how to "properly" do myofascial release, but just a few days ago I started going to town on my forearms with my elbows hoping this will help recruit the proper muscles so my wrists don't have to compensate.
kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 12:59:11
August 14 2011 12:52 GMT
#9969
Hey guys I have a problem .

I've been having upper back pain and pain around the traps for the longest time ( bout.. 9 months) Didn't get it checked until now. Went to a well known physiotherapist , he told me that I had muscular imbalances on my upper body . (Too much chest work too little back work) which caused the back to be slightly hunched and in pain and that I'm leaning to my left side due to my left side being weaker? (not entirely certain about what he said)

Problem is I don't have the money to receive treatment rehab and shit from him. do you guys have any idea what I can do to fix this problem?

Was told to start rowing 3x a week by him. Have any of you guys been stuck in my situation before?

Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
August 14 2011 13:07 GMT
#9970
I'd probably add some chest stretches in with the rowing to help take stress off things. Never been in the situation though so don't know how much it would help.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
August 14 2011 14:03 GMT
#9971
Common sense dictates that you just work out your back more for the moment. Wait for Eschlow or Glurio or somebody really knowledgable, though.
Playing League of Legends. IGN: Plain Skill
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 14 2011 15:24 GMT
#9972
On August 14 2011 15:38 Release wrote:
Release
Age: 14 || Height: 5'7" || Weight: 146.4lbs
Starting Date: 8/14/11 || Goal Date: 1/1/2012
Weight goals -- 120lbs
Training goals -- N/A
Nutrition goals -- maintain ketogenic deit
Misc goals -- 10% bf


You should probably focus on gaining muscle mass instead of losing weight.

Paleo + Starting Strength would be good...
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 14 2011 15:25 GMT
#9973
On August 14 2011 16:45 jjhchsc2 wrote:
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On August 14 2011 16:36 Froadac wrote:
Went on 2.5 week trip. Seriousyl slacking. And now my back is bothering me. And I got sick. Lost a lot of weight :/

Def need to reset again Any advice for getting well quickly from a cold? Also gain weight apart from milk/a lot of food?

vitamin c helps me when i have a cold. also eating real foods helps as well
for the weight gain part- eat more and lift weights


Good food is good.

Vitamin C does not work for colds. If anything it's a placebo at best according to the science.

Vitamin D does.

On August 14 2011 16:36 Froadac wrote:
Went on 2.5 week trip. Seriousyl slacking. And now my back is bothering me. And I got sick. Lost a lot of weight :/

Def need to reset again Any advice for getting well quickly from a cold? Also gain weight apart from milk/a lot of food?


http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/

+ there's some more recent stuff in pubmed I haven't gotten around to adding
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
August 14 2011 18:10 GMT
#9974
On August 14 2011 18:24 Ludrik wrote:
A popular 5x5 program is stronglifts which is also mentioned in the OP. http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/
http://s3.amazonaws.com/StrongLifts/stronglifts-5x5-report.pdf

They're both solid programs and with a progress on linear progression so are good for beginners.

@Everyone else.
Stop posting so fast! I thought I had another week before we got to 500 pages and post progress updates.
Thank you very much!

Now I just got to choose between the 2 but they're both good haha.
I <3 Plexa.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 14 2011 18:55 GMT
#9975
On August 13 2011 16:01 DimmuKlok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 05:29 bdictkam wrote:
On August 13 2011 02:29 DimmuKlok wrote:
On June 18 2011 05:52 DimmuKlok wrote:
Hello everyone!

I reached my weight loss goal that I set for myself when I originally posted in this thread(Although I forgot to be specific). My goal was to reach 250lbs by June and I'm at 247lbs as of today. That's 33lbs lost since I started posting here and 63lbs lost total.

Since I've reached my initial goal and I'm still not satisfied yet, I'm going to make my next goal to be 220lbs before September.


Hello everyone, I'm back again with another update.

I quoted my last update for convenience. As of today I am 219.5lbs, meaning I reached my goal of hitting 220 by September! I'm very happy about this achievement. That's 90.5lbs lost so far from when I started in mid December at 310lbs.

I'm still not quite done, though. My next goal is to be 200lbs by Jan 1st of 2012. This goal I wasn't even sure could happen. When I first started losing weight I really only wanted to see if I could get to 250lbs, and if I could, then try to get to 230. Here I am at 219.5 and I'm looking at 200 being the ultimate goal. I have no idea what I'll look like when I do reach 200 because I've been overweight for so many years, but I'm eager to find out.

As for pictures, I don't have any right this moment but I do plan on uploading some. I will probably upload some before my next update (200 lbs) and for sure by Nov when everyone's supposed to post pictures. ^^

Thanks for reading everyone, and good luck with your own goals!


That is awsome and inspirational, what to write up a bit how youve done it? I am on a simliar road to you just didnt start nearly as fat haha..

Sure, lol. I started off just eating less than I normally ate, although not changing what I ate, and going to the gym daily to use an elliptical for an hour. This was before I found this thread and before I did much research on getting fit. I lost 30lbs doing this but it started to get really hard to lose additional weight. I was convinced that all I needed to do to lose additional weight was to do even more cardio.

Then I found TL H&F. I received tons of helpful information from the OP and from asking question in the thread. I eventually came to the conclusion that what I was doing was inferior. I started SS and eating as Paleo as possible, all the while watching my caloric intake. I was worried at first because up until then I thought cardio was the only way to lose weight and the more cardio you did the more weight you lost. But I was wrong.

I stopped doing cardio completely and relied on my diet to lose weight. I was happily surprised to find that I was losing weight even faster than I was before, and it was a lot easier than doing cardio for a couple hours everyday. SS helped with the weight loss too, but I mostly love SS for all the strength gain. I've been doing SS and eating Paleo(ish) ever since and have lost 90.5lbs so far, with 110lbs as my goal.

I strongly recommend anyone that wants to lose weight to try out the Paleo diet. There's a lot of helpful information about it in the OP and I've had nothing but success with it.

Thanks for reading. ^^


You sir are now in the OP!

Also, I need more testimonials guys

Link me to ones you've previous written or write up yours totally....
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
August 14 2011 18:58 GMT
#9976
Didn't you add Malinor's?

Today's smolov was postponed until tomorrow due to excessive furniture moving.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
August 14 2011 19:12 GMT
#9977
On August 15 2011 00:24 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 15:38 Release wrote:
Release
Age: 14 || Height: 5'7" || Weight: 146.4lbs
Starting Date: 8/14/11 || Goal Date: 1/1/2012
Weight goals -- 120lbs
Training goals -- N/A
Nutrition goals -- maintain ketogenic deit
Misc goals -- 10% bf


You should probably focus on gaining muscle mass instead of losing weight.

Paleo + Starting Strength would be good...

gym membership ends this month, school starting. I'll be bulking when track starts at the beginning of next year where i have access to the school's weight room.
☺
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 14 2011 19:17 GMT
#9978
On August 15 2011 03:58 sJarl wrote:
Didn't you add Malinor's?

Today's smolov was postponed until tomorrow due to excessive furniture moving.


Where is it? :x

I was gonna add it after someone compiled but that didn't happen so I lost track of where it was
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
4thHatchery
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Finland125 Posts
August 14 2011 19:30 GMT
#9979
On August 15 2011 04:17 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 03:58 sJarl wrote:
Didn't you add Malinor's?

Today's smolov was postponed until tomorrow due to excessive furniture moving.


Where is it? :x

I was gonna add it after someone compiled but that didn't happen so I lost track of where it was

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180919&currentpage=372#7440
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
August 14 2011 19:36 GMT
#9980
On August 15 2011 04:30 4thHatchery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 04:17 eshlow wrote:
On August 15 2011 03:58 sJarl wrote:
Didn't you add Malinor's?

Today's smolov was postponed until tomorrow due to excessive furniture moving.


Where is it? :x

I was gonna add it after someone compiled but that didn't happen so I lost track of where it was

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180919&currentpage=372#7440


Added.

Anyone have anymore training or diet or whatever else testimonials?
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