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Donkeys
Mexico308 Posts
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sJarl
Iceland1699 Posts
On August 09 2011 08:25 Necosarius wrote: How should I position the bar when I'm doing high bar squats? I tried today but everything was just uncomfortable  I tried watching on youtube as well but everyone seems to do it differently. Some had the bar on the neck O.oMy first thought is why would you do high bar squats?  After going lowbar every high bar rep is awkward and painful the day after (brusing on the spine <.<) | ||
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Malinor
Germany4751 Posts
On August 09 2011 07:57 decafchicken wrote: @dimsum - i wonder what the logic behind having kendrick farris do 2x PC followed by splot + power jerk? T_T Can we just ship him off to ivan abadjiev and see how he comes back? :D Got a 2 hour lesson in biomechanics complete with graphs, charts, and videos today while i was working out lol :D Started relaxing a LOT more before/during my lifts and it felt WAAAAY better. The concept still baffles me but i like the way i feel getting under the bar a lot more. Catch feels a million times smoother on both clean and snatch. What is your budget? I've seen the FF for ~50$ on slickdeals.net. Dont run on asphalt imo. Stick to the track/grass fields. What kind of running are you talking about? Interval sprinting, distance? FWIW i do most of my running barefoot or in cleats (<3 my copa mundials). I've got a pair of aasic running shoes which are pretty light (all i cared about because i'm on the ball of my foot most of the time). Barefoot can be a bit brutal on the shins/etc at first, gotta ease into it. I've been running on asphalt since forever, and there is actually not too much of an alternative, there is not too much grass around where I live. But I just 'discovered' a stadium with a good track a couple kilometres away (which inspired me to fix my bike today to get there... europeans don't need cars  ). I basically wanna use the track for HIIT intervalls. So I thought about getting real track&field shoes with spikes, but these obviously would be highly specialized and not for normal runs on the street, which I will always do for 45-60min once in a while. Don't wanna spend more than 60-70€. If it is of any help, I overpronate.It's just highly reliant on how much running I am really gonna do. I just have a little lifting crises right now (Squatting, Deadlifting, pulled muscle, not comfortable with heavy power cleans in my gym) and therefore I am more prone to running at the moment. But that might go away after some good sessions. For HIIT on track, T&F shoes would probably be pretty nice and I can probably get away with using my very old running shoes for ~1 run per week on asphalt until the end of time (which is pretty much what I am doing now). edit: what are "The FF" you are talking about? | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On August 09 2011 08:08 AoN.DimSum wrote: I just bought 4lbs of grassfed ground beef from a local farm. I will try some tomorrow. :D It was only 15 minutes away from my house which is great. Also they sell at a farmers market that is 5 minutes away from my house. I never realized the amount of farmers markets around my area. Yeah, they're EVERYWHERE in upstate new york - as well, there are tons of Amish families around that sometimes sell things. Only problem is that most of the farmers markets don't sell meat (because it's hard to keep frozen at an outdoor stand I guess =(). Had to go to a restaurant an hour and a half away on friday, to get a grass fed steak raised ten minutes down the road! Deadlifted 275 today for 1x5 - sure was heavy. Had to take an extra breath in between every rep, and my grip started slipping on the fourth and fifth. Might need to switch to hook or even mixed pretty soon, but I'll keep the double overhand as long as I can handle it. I'm more than halfway to the third plate! On August 09 2011 08:34 Malinor wrote: edit: what are "The FF" you are talking about? "the five fingers"? | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On August 09 2011 08:00 KimJongChill wrote: Do you guys approve of Keto for fat loss? I think I'm actually getting a bit stronger, but I've lost like 8 pounds so far @_@ It is one good option yes.... but I wouldn't stay on keto for more than a few months. On August 09 2011 07:06 Malinor wrote: @eshlow: What kind of shoes would you recommend for running. Since you dislike shoes with elevated heels (because if I understand correctly it encourages wrong running habits, heel-to-toe basically), traditional running shoes probably won't be what you recommend. I played around with the idea to get vobream 5-fingers for some time, but it is basically not within my budget right now and I probably don't run regularly enough that I would get accustumed to those. I would use the shoes half the time on asphalt and the other half on a track. Of course anyone's suggestions are welcome. VFFs are fine for track/grass although if you're going to be sprinting or running a bunch you might just want to get some racing flats Nike Free's are SUPPOSED to be barefoot simulators but they're really not. I've found some types of puma shoes with minimal soles. feiyue's are pretty good (some friends use them) but they can wear out fairly fast. This site seems to have a bunch of lists of types of barefoot shoes (don't know about buying from them but it should give you an idea of what there is). http://barefootrunningshoes.org/ Avoid shoes with heels that are classified as barefoot shoes. They're not really... you want to have the full dorsiflexion in your ankles | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On August 09 2011 07:57 decafchicken wrote: @dimsum - i wonder what the logic behind having kendrick farris do 2x PC followed by splot + power jerk? T_T Can we just ship him off to ivan abadjiev and see how he comes back? :D Got a 2 hour lesson in biomechanics complete with graphs, charts, and videos today while i was working out lol :D Started relaxing a LOT more before/during my lifts and it felt WAAAAY better. The concept still baffles me but i like the way i feel getting under the bar a lot more. Catch feels a million times smoother on both clean and snatch. That was a video of the french team. The first guy was Matam ?( i think its his last name) and the next guy was Dabaya (2008 olympic silver metalist). 2 power cleans +2 jerks is just a complex, I dunno why its used  Also farris went back to the splot jerk in his newest video. Its funny how he went to the olympics and he still needs to change his technique... He probably should train with abadjiev hahahaha Did you mean relaxing mentally or physically during the lift? On August 09 2011 08:39 phyre112 wrote: Yeah, they're EVERYWHERE in upstate new york - as well, there are tons of Amish families around that sometimes sell things. Only problem is that most of the farmers markets don't sell meat (because it's hard to keep frozen at an outdoor stand I guess =(). Had to go to a restaurant an hour and a half away on friday, to get a grass fed steak raised ten minutes down the road! I went to http://eatwild.com/products/ and found all the farms close to me. Hour and a half is far! Also had training today. First I had doubles of snatches with pause at knee. Those suck a lot.... Then after I had to do doubles of clean + front squat + jerk. That was even worse. Legs were so tired after that. o wow usaw facebook page has a lot of cool stuff. Vote for my teammate rizelyx rivera please!!!! http://twtpoll.com/k0mkbe WOW Here is a monster lift of the best 94kg lifter in USA. http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=240279842672143 | ||
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
On August 21st I'm going to try to qualify for the Boston Marathon. This requires a 3:10 or better for my gender and age group. I've never run a timed marathon race, but I've gotten up over the distance (42.2 km or about 25 miles) several times in training. I've been killing myself training this summer -- peaked at 130 km per week for two weeks; built up to that over around four months from a background of about 60-70 km per week. I've been crushing my interval workouts (I do Yasso 800s at 2:50 or under; started with six, worked up to ten at peak load) and I built my long Saturday runs up to 45 km. I started tapering my mileage last Wednesday, and by this Wednesday I'll be around 50% of my peak workload. Last summer, I did a half marathon in 1:31:09 and this April I ran a 10km race in 37:36 -- before I really started this program. I'm not sure I've ever worked as hard at anything in my life (even university basketball or my Master's thesis), and the closer I get to the race the more excited and nervous I get. I think my main challenge is going to be not going out too fast on race day -- I did it last summer at the half marathon, and I always find big races fun and exciting and atmospheric. Couple this with the fact that my target time (3:05) is beyond the fastest pace bunny that will be there and I'm probably a serious risk to burnout in the first 20km or so. We'll see if I can rein myself in enough. Anyway, just wanted to share this because I'm obnoxiously excited about it. I'll post again after the race with my time, if anyone cares. If there are any other runners on TL, I'd love to hear from you. I'm actually a bit worried that I might have overrtrained (most running forums I've looked at mention about 112km as a good max mileage for what I'm trying), so if anyone can speak to that I'd also be very gratified. | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On August 09 2011 09:16 AoN.DimSum wrote: I went to http://eatwild.com/products/ and found all the farms close to me. Hour and a half is far! Also had training today. First I had doubles of snatches with pause at knee. Those suck a lot.... Then after I had to do doubles of clean + front squat + jerk. That was even worse. Legs were so tired after that. o wow usaw facebook page has a lot of cool stuff. Vote for my teammate rizelyx rivera please!!!! http://twtpoll.com/k0mkbe WOW Here is a monster lift of the best 94kg lifter in USA. http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=240279842672143 There's farms ALL OVER... but there are no nearby restaurants large enough that they can afford the expense of that kind of beef; as well, there are very few customers around who would be interested enough in the health difference to justify serving it. As well, I didn't go an hour and a half away just for the meal - I was visiting friends and we happened to go out to eat. Hour and a half really isn't that far though =p. I drove half an hour to school every morning in high school, I drive twenty minutes to get to the grocery store (30 minutes if I don't want to go to wal-mart) and I regularly drove 40 minutes or an hour to visit my cousins growing up (sometimes twice or three times a week.) The three hours drive for me to get home from school is something completely normal for a weekend trip home maybe four times a year, and my family will visit me at school twice more. We look at distances differently in Upstate NY. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
@bonham I wouldnt worry too much on overtraining. Heres some links that are interesting on that topic. http://www.doctorhartmanblog.com/2011/07/overtraining-vs-under-recovery.html Read the part on kenyan runners for this article: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/why-the-us-sucks-at-olympic-lifting-part-1.html also good luck! keep us updated :D | ||
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decafchicken
United States20166 Posts
On August 09 2011 09:16 AoN.DimSum wrote: That was a video of the french team. The first guy was Matam ?( i think its his last name) and the next guy was Dabaya (2008 olympic silver metalist). 2 power cleans +2 jerks is just a complex, I dunno why its used Also farris went back to the splot jerk in his newest video. Its funny how he went to the olympics and he still needs to change his technique... He probably should train with abadjiev hahahaha Did you mean relaxing mentally or physically during the lift? I went to http://eatwild.com/products/ and found all the farms close to me. Hour and a half is far! Also had training today. First I had doubles of snatches with pause at knee. Those suck a lot.... Then after I had to do doubles of clean + front squat + jerk. That was even worse. Legs were so tired after that. o wow usaw facebook page has a lot of cool stuff. Vote for my teammate rizelyx rivera please!!!! http://twtpoll.com/k0mkbe WOW Here is a monster lift of the best 94kg lifter in USA. http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=240279842672143 Riz is pretty amazing. and that lift is sick. Do you think fleming > north? And i was referring to relaxing physically (kinda goes hand in hand w/ mentally) Allows me to un-tense the muscles i shouldn't be using so i can optimally use the ones i should be using when i should be using them. Better explosion and WAY better "jumping under" the bar. Also stopped throwing my head back so much which helped. Was extending too much into the pull when i should have been catching it. edit: apparently my coach has talked to rippetoe about SS cause he was mentioned or pictured in it or something. he's not very impressed with rippetoes views on low bar back squats and how to power clean rofl (some of his comments might have been directed more towards the national strength and conditioning association or something). | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
That makes sense to be more relaxed, I teld to throw it over my head if im too tense haha. | ||
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
On August 09 2011 10:34 AoN.DimSum wrote: Read the part on kenyan runners for this article: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/training/why-the-us-sucks-at-olympic-lifting-part-1.html also good luck! keep us updated :D Thanks! Like I said, training isn't too interesting right now since I'm just cutting back to let my legs recover before the race, but I'll be sure to write something here (possibly in all caps) after I cross the finish line. Also thanks for the Kenyan link; it's interesting stuff. | ||
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Ludrik
Australia523 Posts
Workout today was good. I'm so close to the goals I set for myself back in march. I can lift my squat goal but just need to add sets. Only 5kg away from deadlift goal so should hit it on friday. 5kg away from my overhead press goal as well but that might take me a couple of weeks. | ||
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urasheep
62 Posts
I really love lifting heavy ass weights is my only reason now lol | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On August 09 2011 10:20 Bonham wrote: Sorry to jump in mid-thread like this, but I'm coming up on a fitness goal that I'm pretty excited about. On August 21st I'm going to try to qualify for the Boston Marathon. This requires a 3:10 or better for my gender and age group. I've never run a timed marathon race, but I've gotten up over the distance (42.2 km or about 25 miles) several times in training. I've been killing myself training this summer -- peaked at 130 km per week for two weeks; built up to that over around four months from a background of about 60-70 km per week. I've been crushing my interval workouts (I do Yasso 800s at 2:50 or under; started with six, worked up to ten at peak load) and I built my long Saturday runs up to 45 km. I started tapering my mileage last Wednesday, and by this Wednesday I'll be around 50% of my peak workload. Last summer, I did a half marathon in 1:31:09 and this April I ran a 10km race in 37:36 -- before I really started this program. I'm not sure I've ever worked as hard at anything in my life (even university basketball or my Master's thesis), and the closer I get to the race the more excited and nervous I get. I think my main challenge is going to be not going out too fast on race day -- I did it last summer at the half marathon, and I always find big races fun and exciting and atmospheric. Couple this with the fact that my target time (3:05) is beyond the fastest pace bunny that will be there and I'm probably a serious risk to burnout in the first 20km or so. We'll see if I can rein myself in enough. Anyway, just wanted to share this because I'm obnoxiously excited about it. I'll post again after the race with my time, if anyone cares. If there are any other runners on TL, I'd love to hear from you. I'm actually a bit worried that I might have overrtrained (most running forums I've looked at mention about 112km as a good max mileage for what I'm trying), so if anyone can speak to that I'd also be very gratified. Wow that's pretty damn impressive. You've still got almost 2 weeks, just keep preparing and you got this. Whenever you hit the wall, just remember: you are a fucking stallion. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
On August 09 2011 13:56 urasheep wrote: someone convince me why I should be strength training instead of bodybuilding type training ^^?? I really love lifting heavy ass weights is my only reason now lol Because lifting heavy ass weights for the sake of lifting heavy ass weights is stupid and manly. Bodybuilding is narcistic and gay. I prefer lifting because it gives me moral superiority, although if it didn't make me looking better I wouldn't be doing it. But they don't know that. | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
On August 09 2011 13:56 urasheep wrote: someone convince me why I should be strength training instead of bodybuilding type training ^^?? I really love lifting heavy ass weights is my only reason now lol Do you need another reason than wanting to lift heavy ass weights? You would probably want to be decently strong before committing to bodybuilding anyway. On August 09 2011 16:20 BouBou.865 wrote: Because lifting heavy ass weights for the sake of lifting heavy ass weights is stupid and manly. Bodybuilding is narcistic and gay. I prefer lifting because it gives me moral superiority, although if it didn't make me looking better I wouldn't be doing it. But they don't know that. That's an interesting thing to say XD | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On August 09 2011 02:53 AoN.DimSum wrote: You mean eshlow! As decaf said, I wouldnt worry too much about triple extension. As long as you can get under the bar, it is fine. Here's a good example of power cleans. I found this very helpful as well: I am still struggling though to get the mechanics right. Clean really is a complex lift damn. Every time I focus on one thing I drop another. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On August 09 2011 10:20 Bonham wrote: Running talk . I wanna know your results man! There aren't many runners in here so far that I know, but still. Good luck On August 09 2011 13:56 urasheep wrote: someone convince me why I should be strength training instead of bodybuilding type training ^^?? I really love lifting heavy ass weights is my only reason now lol So here is my real answer You want to be strong as fuuu so you can lift weights that actually matter. It doesn't really matter if your doing lateral raises when they're only 20 pounds. You want 30+ dumbbells to make it worthwhile (imo), so just get strong as fuuu off SS then switch. Furthermore, you wanna really get your core lifts down. It took me 8 months to really feel comfortable with the squat (And for some reason only at heavy weights; probably because I use more instinct than actually thinking it through; I only focus on keeping my back arched). Any good bodybuilding will also incorporate the core lifts. For example on mine I have squats, box squats, Close grip bench press, chin ups, rack pulls (would put full deadlifts in, but I think it would fatigue my lower back too much), seated OH press, (dumbbell) bench press, and rows. ALL of the good programs do this. So you need to get your fundamentals down and get strong as fuuu. Also, I don't know how common it is but my program is set up where you do a "strength" lift ( 5 reps) and then a hypertrophy range (8-12, 12-20 for calves lol) @LemonWalrus: I don't know if youre still out there, but in the "Blue Creature" thread in general, their creature encountered a lemon walrus. I like to imagine thats what you look like. Also, where's froadac been? lol | ||
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