EPTNASL Season 4 Grand Finals Information - Page 8
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Ner0
United States131 Posts
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OCsurfeR
United States195 Posts
On December 07 2012 11:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote: NASL S1 and S2 finals had lacklustre attendance. S3 succeeded because it was in Toronto. S3 was an amazing sell out because in SC2's history only 1 "major event" has been hosted in a 1st world country of 35 million people. S4 will once again have mediocre enthusiasm and low crowd totals. They should've returned to Toronto. The PrizePool mystery could become a great story angle. The PrizePool for S4 could have a lore behind it similar to the Dark Templar.  LOL, first of all Jimmy, your "PrizePool mystery" was already debunked by several others. You really should let go of your hatred and let that silly premise go. Secondly, S1 Finals were anything bug lackluster. There were about 1,000 people in the hall at peak, I think the venue itself even estimated 1,100. I know there was seating for about 700 and by the semis on Sunday it was standing room only and not much of that even. Hardly lackluster. S2 Finals suffered from being not during the Summer and from having way too many seats. If you have 20,000 people in a stadium that holds 50,000 it's going to look empty. The mistake of S2 was that it should never have been setup for 3,200 people, but the organizers were trying to change the game, to give a 360° style arena experience and they raised the bar in production value, booth construction, player introduction and overall fan experience. Perhaps not a success in filling the seats, but a success in just about every other measurable way. S3 Finals was successful for being the first major North American StarCraft II event held in Canada, but also because NASL raised the bar further YET AGAIN with production value, casting, etc. S4 is in Los Angeles a market that's about 10X the size of Toronto, and in a venue smaller than Toronto. I'm betting it'll be a full house. But you go right on and hate. Everyone sees through you at this point. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17606 Posts
On December 07 2012 14:11 OCsurfeR wrote: S4 is in Los Angeles a market that's about 10X the size of Toronto, and in a venue smaller than Toronto. I'm betting it'll be a full house. get your basic facts straight. define "market". its 16 million versus 6 million in terms of population. shall we compare economic productivity numbers as well? the International Centre, a larger venue, was sold out... and they kept selling tickets any way NASL is themselves admitting they can't sell as many tickets by putting it in a smaller venue within a larger market. Ironically, Russell stated 1 thing they could improve upon was having a larger venue than the S3 venue to support a larger audience. Until there is an official statement from NASL about the PrizePool then there is no official prize pool amount.. so you can blab away all you want. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On December 07 2012 14:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: get your basic facts straight. define "market". its 16 million versus 6 million in terms of population. shall we compare economic productivity numbers as well? the International Centre, a larger venue, was sold out... and they kept selling tickets any way NASL is themselves admitting they can't sell as many tickets by putting it in a smaller venue within a larger market. Ironically, Russell stated 1 thing they could improve upon was having a larger venue than the S3 venue to support a larger audience. Until there is an official statement from NASL about the PrizePool then there is no official prize pool amount.. so you can blab away all you want. Well there were 180 matches played in the S3 league, same for S4 so that makes 360 matches. NASL offered to pay $150 per match so that alone accounts for $54,000 of your missing $100,000. It’s probably worth mentioning here that there were a total of 43 walkovers in these 360 games (21 in S3 and 22 in S4). I’m not sure if $150 was paid in the event of a walkover but even if it wasn’t I wouldn’t hold NASL accountable for that as they were still willing to put up the $150 had the match taken place. There has also been 16 wildcard matches in the last two seasons which did involve prize money, though I can’t find what that amount is, so I can only speculate. + Show Spoiler + following source from the NASL liquipedia page http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/324601515?t=25m17s There were also 14 Sunday showdown matches during season 3, each with a prize pool of $500 ($7,000 total). The Gauntlet (shown between S3 and S4) featured 83 matches each paying $75 and a finals with a $1500 prize pool ($7,725 total). Also the NASTL which took place early 2012 had a $10,000 prize pool. That totals to $78,725, there’s the undisclosed prize money from the 16 wildcard matches and there were a few show matches during S4 as well which undoubtedly involved prize money (stuff like the ROOT HotS show tournament) Not going to lie, that still doesn't fully cover your 'missing $100,000 (I believe there's around £20,000 unaccounted for after including those extras). But you can't deny NASL isn't paying their do's. How many other tournaments/organisations offer that level of cash and spread in such a way that every player gets some form of compensation whilst still maintaining a top-heavy final prize pool to reward the winner. ***EDIT*** Hold up, actually doing the maths I get the following $100,000 S1 $100,000 S2 $60,000 S3 $60,000 S4 assuming the prize pool is the same as S3 as this is unconfirmed at the moment $78,725 from the ‘extras’ mentioned above Total comes to $398,725 $1275 divided over 16 (wildcard matches) comes to just under $80 a match; and this is all assumption on my part, but going by NASL's track record I find it hard to believe that there would pay $80 for a wildcard match when they've been paying $150 per league match all season. If anything NASL have put more than the $400,000 you seem so hung up on. Probably some of it paid for by the unpaid walkover matches (again more assumption on my part). What exactly is the problem here? ***EDIT 2*** Okay, having trawled back a few more pages seems your actual concern is the fact that S4 finals prize pool hasn't been announced more than the actual prize pool distribution itself? Kind of makes my previous whole wall of text irrelevant but I'll leave it up regardless. I still think you've been a bit hard on a tournament that has for all intensive purposed really raised the bar for foreign tournaments (only Dreamhack tops them in my opinion and that's a totally different format). Guess everyone's entitled to their opinion though. | ||
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
On December 07 2012 04:04 OCsurfeR wrote: You mean the very small venue that IPL5 was, which wasn't nearly filled up? These captures are ALL from the Championship Match at IPL5 in Vegas. I'd estimate seating in the venue was perhaps 500-600 and it looks to me that it was maybe at 2/3 capacity. Notice there's nobody sitting in the aisles because of no seats left like we saw at NASL S3 and MLG championship matches. Please note that I'm not bagging on IPL, they do a great event and the emotional atmosphere was awesome. But so was it at recent MLGs and NASL Finals. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yHZmZ.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u9nub.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3HGgg.jpg) I was actually at IPL and me and my friend estimates that there were probably closer to 900-1000 seats for sc2. yeah towards the end, I think people were experiencing sc2 fatigue, but at it's peak (esp the gsl world championships) there were tons of people standing in the back with no seats. | ||
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pigtheman
United States333 Posts
On November 21 2012 10:42 asongdotnet wrote: hah you haven't seen the beaches in long beach... what beaches xD though you can drive 20 minutes away to find some ok beaches  interesting place to place the venue ^^ | ||
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Skyblueone
Belgium155 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17606 Posts
On December 07 2012 21:34 Greendotz wrote: Hold up, actually doing the maths I get the following $100,000 S1 $100,000 S2 $60,000 S3 $60,000 S4 assuming the prize pool is the same as S3 as this is unconfirmed at the moment $78,725 from the ‘extras’ mentioned above Total comes to $398,725 great work compiling these #s. NASL has given away a tonne of prize money, of that there is no dispute. They did promise $400,000 to be given away throughout the course of 3 seasons. They failed to fulfill that promise. That said, I do not think NASL is a scheming team of fraud artists. | ||
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BathTubNZ
New Zealand2556 Posts
Geez where the hell is the promotion for this event? | ||
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Artisane
United States134 Posts
Watching KT vs EG-TL off a tethered phone and probably will play from SC2 on the 2nd laptop we brought. Not sure what we're doing for breakfast, but I'm pretty sure we'll be hitting up In-N-Out for early lunch on Sunday. If any want to tag along, I'll be taking SanchoPanda for his first burger there. Sancho, you around bud? | ||
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Kronen
United States732 Posts
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Ner0
United States131 Posts
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mustenjoypie
Netherlands11 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17606 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17606 Posts
On December 07 2012 14:11 OCsurfeR wrote: S4 is in Los Angeles a market that's about 10X the size of Toronto, and in a venue smaller than Toronto. I'm betting it'll be a full house. But you go right on and hate. Everyone sees through you at this point. i dont think its a sell out. there might not even be 100 people there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386889¤tpage=155#3097 i have not seen 1 fan in the upper bowl that holds 600 people. i've seen the lower bowl that holds 200 people and its half full at best. so much for this big market that is "about 10X the size of Toronto" | ||
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eqinf
Germany100 Posts
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Artisane
United States134 Posts
Again, the event wasn't $60 for two days. You could have gotten a $20 discount on your ticket if you'd used the promo code. $40 for two days of entertainment is a good deal. Some of you are just cheap. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17606 Posts
approximately 110 according to these guys. with NO ONE in the upper bowl. The eSports Puppy is on the set though! Hotbid and Slasher were searching for answers on how to get more people out to the event. #1 rule of marketing is that your current customers are your best customer base. They ignored the thousands in "Toronto" that showed up and paid the price they deserved to pay. | ||
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raser
Norway301 Posts
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