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AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
October 13 2011 03:49 GMT
#21
Why do people insist on bashing other peoples' projects just because they choose not to use it?
Snackysnacks
Profile Joined December 2010
United States411 Posts
October 13 2011 03:55 GMT
#22
I would honestly like to see a few hours of that 1 on 1 coaching including (like reedem them per month) available.
Ill check out the videos later when i can listen to the audio.
Is there a section on unit control without hotkeys? Like box precision and navigating with F keys?
I can even imagine sections for building placement to stop things like hellion/ling runbys and making pockets with FF with each building, that be neat.
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DirtyJack
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 04:45:47
October 13 2011 04:44 GMT
#23
Im looking to make it into masters after been stuck in diamond for the 2nd season now.
I want to say i do like the idea of learning by video / getting a better understanding of the game.
Do you guys think you can offer help to diamond/ low master players?
When i look tru the video's on the site i see that for Terran ( i play T) you guys upload about 3 video's a month, are you planning to increase this number ? Most of the video's already on there are for more lower level players, also BO video's of 6 month old are not the most helpfull either since they are getting figgurd out, or a patch changed something.
The hotkey video from skew is really helpfull but again for the more newer players.
So im wondering you guys think you can offer me the info/ insight that is needed to make it into masters ?

Sorry for my sloppy english
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 04:59:22
October 13 2011 04:55 GMT
#24
On October 13 2011 12:21 Hot_Bid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

This is just the wrong. For players looking to learn, coaching ability, not tournament results, is the #1 thing they should be looking for. Almost any pro meets the minimum requirement for skill, all that matters is how hard they try and how good they are at coaching.

Like piano or violin or art or guitar lessons, StarCraft is taught by people who are better than you at it. You don't have to be Yo Yo Ma to teach cello, just like you don't have to be Idra to teach Zerg. It's rare you get to learn from the top 1% at anything, let alone at the prices most good SC2 coaches charge.

...


Again, why do people take lessons for anything? Why not just figure it out yourself by playing more piano painting more pictures? Obviously, there's a reason why sometimes, paying for teaching is better than simply doing it. I think that's a choice everyone can make for themselves, they don't need the hordes of people going into coaching threads telling them to just ladder more
.


HB spittin' truth!

GL with everything. I had a look at your website and it looks pretty good! (edit: some stuff is a bit off in alignment/size in Firefox with Windows 7 custom text size set to 125% - a significant number of websites that I visit have this issue [TL does not though, for example])

P.S. Interesting logo, taking inspiration from Amazon I see.. from Bronze to GM!
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
ExquisiteRed
Profile Joined February 2011
396 Posts
October 13 2011 05:02 GMT
#25
Just watched the video with Titan, good stuff.
Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
October 13 2011 06:38 GMT
#26
This seems really awesome.
You should build a turtle fence!
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
October 13 2011 06:45 GMT
#27
On October 13 2011 13:44 DirtyJack wrote:
Im looking to make it into masters after been stuck in diamond for the 2nd season now.
I want to say i do like the idea of learning by video / getting a better understanding of the game.
Do you guys think you can offer help to diamond/ low master players?
When i look tru the video's on the site i see that for Terran ( i play T) you guys upload about 3 video's a month, are you planning to increase this number ? Most of the video's already on there are for more lower level players, also BO video's of 6 month old are not the most helpfull either since they are getting figgurd out, or a patch changed something.
The hotkey video from skew is really helpfull but again for the more newer players.
So im wondering you guys think you can offer me the info/ insight that is needed to make it into masters ?

Sorry for my sloppy english

This. I would also like to know if the content is suited for diamond/masters players as well.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
October 13 2011 07:25 GMT
#28
Awesome post skew! Super excited to join you guys at Hotkeyit
Animism
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland130 Posts
October 13 2011 07:33 GMT
#29
Hey i took a look at the 4 gate video by xSix Classic, and it was pretty useful i would say. I think that PvP is a match up that at a lower level can be difficult for you to win if you don't know the fundamnetals of the match up: ie. viable builds; you can't just make anything and win if your opponent knows how to do something like a 4 gate or a 3 gate robo etc. . I liked that he walked us through the 4 gate that he does, and also shows us any mechanics that he finds useful in relation to the match up.

There is something that i am critical about though:

-The video feels a bit rushed. Classic made a couple of important mistakes; for example when walking us through the transition from the 4 gate to a zealot Archon/DT build he said 'make a cybernetics core' when i assume he meant twilight council. It may have been more smooth if it had been edited to show build orders on the screen or something that allows easy access to learning the build, rather than having to listen to certain parts of the video to know when to place what building where.
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
October 13 2011 08:39 GMT
#30
On October 13 2011 13:44 DirtyJack wrote:
Im looking to make it into masters after been stuck in diamond for the 2nd season now.
I want to say i do like the idea of learning by video / getting a better understanding of the game.
Do you guys think you can offer help to diamond/ low master players?
When i look tru the video's on the site i see that for Terran ( i play T) you guys upload about 3 video's a month, are you planning to increase this number ? Most of the video's already on there are for more lower level players, also BO video's of 6 month old are not the most helpfull either since they are getting figgurd out, or a patch changed something.
The hotkey video from skew is really helpfull but again for the more newer players.
So im wondering you guys think you can offer me the info/ insight that is needed to make it into masters ?


We don't only offer the videos to subscribers, we also take care of them on the forum with any questions they have, including analyzing their replays (and sometimes turning those into videos called 'leak finders [a term coined in the poker world]). If you make full use of the site then I'd say yes, you could definitely find help as a diamond/low master player. If you have the time/money, I'd suggest buying an hour of coaching from a player you enjoy watching and then buy a month on our site and compare the two. I'd love to see your thoughts afterwards.

BoggieMan
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
520 Posts
October 13 2011 11:14 GMT
#31
I am that kind of person that never buys anything on the internet, but this might be 1 of those few things i decide to get.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
October 13 2011 12:03 GMT
#32
I just thought of a cool analogy when I woke up.

Streamers are like cool hippie high school teacher, yes okay they are cool and if they explain something 1/3 of the class who's advanced on the subject will understand WHILE

Hotkeyit are like nerdy but classsy high school teacher, we are badass and we make sure EVERYONE understands the build =D

waking up = awesome

seeya
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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
October 13 2011 12:51 GMT
#33
On October 13 2011 12:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!

This is just the wrong. For players looking to learn, coaching ability, not tournament results, is the #1 thing they should be looking for. Almost any pro meets the minimum requirement for skill, all that matters is how hard they try and how good they are at coaching.

Like piano or violin or art or guitar lessons, StarCraft is taught by people who are better than you at it. You don't have to be Yo Yo Ma to teach cello, just like you don't have to be Idra to teach Zerg. It's rare you get to learn from the top 1% at anything, let alone at the prices most good SC2 coaches charge.

Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 10:37 Mikey wrote:
just do it the normal way of playing, learning from mistakes, moving on? you can't practice mechanics and micro via watching some random video.

gl with it ~

Again, why do people take lessons for anything? Why not just figure it out yourself by playing more piano painting more pictures? Obviously, there's a reason why sometimes, paying for teaching is better than simply doing it. I think that's a choice everyone can make for themselves, they don't need the hordes of people going into coaching threads telling them to just ladder more.


Yea but what guarantee is there that these guys are good teachers? There is no degree in Starcraft education. I don't want to be the negative Nancy but why should anyone pay 30$/month (which is expensive for a college student like me) when I can watch unlimited hours of free streams of Players like idra, tlo, dragon, etc... And honestly there are streamers who commentate alot during casts, you just have to look for them. For example, nahmcir. Also, alot of the time you Pay for lessons it is to get advice on mechanical skills, a video just isn't the same.
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
October 13 2011 13:27 GMT
#34
On October 13 2011 09:14 MyLife wrote:
I wish you guys the best of luck. To be honest your lineup of coaches is not very impressive. Im sure a lot of people would agree that a couple Hours with Idra would be more helpful than a month of random "barley making it" pros that have never won a major event within their career. Even adding 1 or 2 More known pros with better results would probably increase membership 3fold. Good luck nonetheless!


You got a point, but last time I checked IdrA charged 300$/hour, so it's maybe better, but still...

+ Show Spoiler +
HOLY SHIT THATS ALOT OF MOTHERFUCKING MONEY FOR AN HOUR OF COACHING
youtube.com/spooderm4n | twitch.tv/spooderm4n | Random videos and games I feel like uploading
MurDeRsc2
Profile Joined May 2010
133 Posts
October 13 2011 14:35 GMT
#35
Why is the price so high? I would say this is a great idea and could be great, but I know I personally couldn't spend 27/month for this. I think it'd be much more attractive with a more friendly price. the 20% with longer deals doesn't change my mind on this.

GL guys I hope this is successful!

<3 titan
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
October 13 2011 14:38 GMT
#36
price is too high indeed. I mean i just checked Protoss video section and you get like 3-4 videos per month. Not an enough amount imo to get a subscription
@ggmonx
TeamBanished
Profile Joined September 2011
United States301 Posts
October 13 2011 14:40 GMT
#37
I actually watched the PVP vod and it actually helped me a lot as far as build order etc.


Looking forward to learning more from you guys.
For Aiur
podby
Profile Joined August 2011
2 Posts
October 13 2011 15:51 GMT
#38
looks like same idea as a lot of the poker video sites. should get more popular if it lives long enough to have a large library of videos and amps up video output/content over time. introductory pricing/free trials would be a nice way to let people give it a test drive as the monthly cost is very high compared to the poker scheme which actually helps people make more money. bad ecomony + relatively young playerbase makes me think the pricing will come down. i guess they can keep the prices higher to cater to a smaller/more serious market....or lower the prices to appeal to the masses and become more of a brand name. kind of hard to compete with a lot of great players streaming for free which earns them more money from ads and the viewer pays nothing.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
October 13 2011 15:52 GMT
#39
On October 13 2011 23:38 monx wrote:
price is too high indeed. I mean i just checked Protoss video section and you get like 3-4 videos per month. Not an enough amount imo to get a subscription

I'm pretty sure you get access to a lot more than that many. There's also more and more videos to come.
CrushDog5
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada207 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 16:15:48
October 13 2011 16:15 GMT
#40
I think this is a good alternative to individual coaching, which is ridiculously expensive, and may be a lot more productive in most cases. Players definitely need something more than streams and ladder, if they want to improve quickly.

I think coaching and playing are different skills.
Besides, imagine a coaching session with idra:

Idra: Thanks for the $300 dollars.
You: Sure, I'm really excited to be here. So, what did you think of the replay I sent you.
Idra: Basically, I think you're the worst player I've ever seen. Just terrible. I mean really, really bad.
You: What should I do to get better?
Idra: Get better? You're terrible. Everything you do is bad. Your macro is bad, your micro is bad. Everything. The only chance you have to win is if your opponent disconnects. Your best bet is to just put up extractors everywhere and hope for a disconnect.
You: I wouldn't do that.
Idra: I wouldn't either, but then I'm not as terrible as you.
You: But I want to improve!
Idra: Improve? You can't improve, you are awful. You've lost already. Just quit, leave the game. In fact, I can feel myself getting worse just by talking to you.
>> Idra disconnects


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