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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Wow and now I'm diving into the gaming journalism rabbit hole and rumour has it Shovel Knight is joining SSB4. That's insane. Yeah...I don't really think I'm going to buy sm4sh for WiiU. I don't want to support DLC characters from Nintendo. I'm seriously disappointed in them. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:39 AsmodeusXI wrote: Yep! Turn-based Dark Souls. Which is interesting in itself, but definitely not Dark Souls. Intrinsically, I think the changes the streamer made are fair, but the problem is the slippery slope that if the streamer is just going to step in and change something when the run gets stuck, it utterly removes the tension of whether or not the run can be completed. Of course the run can be completed with a sufficient amount of intervention from someone. At that point, it ceases to be interesting to watch for me, because the fact that progress is being made is devalued by the fact that someone is changing things to keep progress being made, rather than it being a natural progression by the community. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah...I don't really think I'm going to buy sm4sh for WiiU. I don't want to support DLC characters from Nintendo. I'm seriously disappointed in them. Are you that opposed to DLC in general? There's nothing inherently wrong with it as long as it's quality content. I don't see anything wrong with expanding a roster of a fighting game. On August 29 2015 01:51 TheYango wrote: Intrinsically, I think the changes the streamer made are fair, but the problem is the slippery slope that if the streamer is just going to step in and change something when the run gets stuck, it utterly removes the tension of whether or not the run can be completed. Of course the run can be completed with a sufficient amount of intervention from someone. At that point, it ceases to be interesting to watch for me, because the fact that progress is being made is devalued by the fact that someone is changing things to keep progress being made, rather than it being a natural progression by the community. You probably hated democracy mode in Twitch Plays Pokemon lmao. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:56 onlywonderboy wrote: Are you that opposed to DLC in general? There's nothing inherently wrong with it as long as it's quality content. I don't see anything wrong with expanding a roster of a fighting game. You probably hated democracy mode in Twitch Plays Pokemon lmao. SG did the same thing technically (though they offer the DLC free for the first 3 months) | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:00 Requizen wrote: Any readers of Order of the Stick in here? Shit just got REAL. Shit is going DOWN | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
So I just watched about half an episode of Geek + Sundry's Critical Role last night and holy shit. Those guys up the bar of DnD EVERYWHERE. There was literally a point where one player had everyone else in the room crying. I know they're all actors but still that shit is god damn impressive. I may actually go back and watch the entire thing. It makes me want to play 8 more games of DnD and RP me goddamn heart out in every single one and on that note ASMO ARE WE ON NEXT WEEK. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I seriously love this series so much that even the inconsistent schedule doesn't bother me. On August 29 2015 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I have a lot to say today: So I just watched about half an episode of Geek + Sundry's Critical Role last night and holy shit. Those guys up the bar of DnD EVERYWHERE. There was literally a point where one player had everyone else in the room crying. I know they're all actors but still that shit is god damn impressive. I may actually go back and watch the entire thing. It makes me want to play 8 more games of DnD and RP me goddamn heart out in every single one and on that note ASMO ARE WE ON NEXT WEEK. Well like you said, they're actors. None of us are really improv masters, and coming up with RP on the fly can be pretty difficult. The other thing is that we generally don't RP during combat or puzzle solving, which I think is something we should do more. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:56 onlywonderboy wrote: You probably hated democracy mode in Twitch Plays Pokemon lmao. thats a perfect example of what hes talking about. totally ruined the experiment. give me anarchy or give me start9 | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:15 Requizen wrote: I seriously love this series so much that even the inconsistent schedule doesn't bother me. Well like you said, they're actors. None of us are really improv masters, and coming up with RP on the fly can be pretty difficult. The other thing is that we generally don't RP during combat or puzzle solving, which I think is something we should do more. Oh don't get me wrong, I know. It's just one of those 'wishful thinking/jealous for no reason' things. Like e-fame. I DO want to up the RP at least a little though. Like I said I'm particularly guilty of dropping a lot of what makes Amak'thos him lately. (I wish more people watched us  ) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 29 2015 01:56 onlywonderboy wrote: Are you that opposed to DLC in general? There's nothing inherently wrong with it as long as it's quality content. I don't see anything wrong with expanding a roster of a fighting game. I mean, it's one thing if you didn't pay full price for a game already. You could argue that SkullGirls $15 price tag is full price, and more DLC on top of that should bug me. But 1) the characters are very cheap, 2) SkullGirls quality is insanely high, and 3) characters are free for a few months after release. Sm4sh is already full price on two systems, and then you have to pay for more characters as they come out. I understand why they do it, but it's not something I'm going to support. On August 29 2015 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I have a lot to say today: So I just watched about half an episode of Geek + Sundry's Critical Role last night and holy shit. Those guys up the bar of DnD EVERYWHERE. There was literally a point where one player had everyone else in the room crying. I know they're all actors but still that shit is god damn impressive. I may actually go back and watch the entire thing. It makes me want to play 8 more games of DnD and RP me goddamn heart out in every single one and on that note ASMO ARE WE ON NEXT WEEK. Wasn't it you who, a while ago, said you didn't understand why/how people watch D&D shows? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh don't get me wrong, I know. It's just one of those 'wishful thinking/jealous for no reason' things. Like e-fame. I DO want to up the RP at least a little though. Like I said I'm particularly guilty of dropping a lot of what makes Amak'thos him lately. (I wish more people watched us )Why don't you guys get some like "improv" scenarios going sometimes? May help everyone get into it. I don't watch since like always it's at an unholy hour. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: I mean, it's one thing if you didn't pay full price for a game already. You could argue that SkullGirls $15 price tag is full price, and more DLC on top of that should bug me. But 1) the characters are very cheap, 2) SkullGirls quality is insanely high, and 3) characters are free for a few months after release. Sm4sh is already full price on two systems, and then you have to pay for more characters as they come out. I understand why they do it, but it's not something I'm going to support. Wasn't it you who, a while ago, said you didn't understand why/how people watch D&D shows? We just have completely different ideologies when it comes to DLC then. I don't see anything wrong with paid DLC for a full priced release. Like a ton of the Fallout DLC was really good and I'm glad it existed rather than no DLC coming out for it. In the end I'd rather there just be more stuff since no one is forcing anyone to buy it. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
You guys wana League/GN on TS tonight? I think that sounds more fun. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:28 onlywonderboy wrote: We just have completely different ideologies when it comes to DLC then. I don't see anything wrong with paid DLC for a full priced release. Like a ton of the Fallout DLC was really good and I'm glad it existed rather than no DLC coming out for it. In the end I'd rather there just be more stuff since no one is forcing anyone to buy it. Right. Like, I'm not gonna rail against the people who choose to pay for it, I understand the desire for more content. It's just not something I will contribute to. edit - @6er, I'm already planning on stopping for some tonic on the way home. I'm down for drinking game night. I would love to play drunk flying car soccer, but idk how many people have it. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: I mean, it's one thing if you didn't pay full price for a game already. You could argue that SkullGirls $15 price tag is full price, and more DLC on top of that should bug me. But 1) the characters are very cheap, 2) SkullGirls quality is insanely high, and 3) characters are free for a few months after release. Sm4sh is already full price on two systems, and then you have to pay for more characters as they come out. I understand why they do it, but it's not something I'm going to support. Wasn't it you who, a while ago, said you didn't understand why/how people watch D&D shows? Maybe? But I've seen the Neal-hosted ones and this was a far cry above that. Like a completely other level. On August 29 2015 02:22 Numy wrote: Why don't you guys get some like "improv" scenarios going sometimes? May help everyone get into it. I don't watch since like always it's at an unholy hour. Not sure what you mean by this, but it sounds like something I'd fun with whatever it is. Kinda hard to get us all together tho | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:28 Cixah wrote: I dont really wana FNM tonight You guys wana League/GN on TS tonight? I think that sounds more fun. I thought this was the plan | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:28 onlywonderboy wrote: We just have completely different ideologies when it comes to DLC then. I don't see anything wrong with paid DLC for a full priced release. Like a ton of the Fallout DLC was really good and I'm glad it existed rather than no DLC coming out for it. In the end I'd rather there just be more stuff since no one is forcing anyone to buy it. The question of DLC isn't one of principle, but one of value. Prior to DLC, you sort of had two levels of content addition to game: patches, and full-price expansions. The expansion model was largely necessitated by the tech of the time making releasing more frequent smaller-sized content infeasible, but DLC as DLC developed, it started as "bigger than a patch, so it makes sense to charge for it given the developer man-hours invested, but smaller than an expansion, so not justifiably as expensive as one". This niche is fine, but too many developers cross the line over into DLC not really being enough content to justify a price tag relative to things that get added in a patch for free. A single Smash 4 character is likely to fall into that unless the quality/content addition supplementing the character are incredibly significant (and in a fighting game, your ability to make meaningful additions is generally quite limited because people aren't playing your game for story or single-player content). In general my stance on DLC is "you shouldn't charge for something that someone else is willing and able to make for free". The key point being "willing" because a lot of this DLC only makes headway due to developers deliberately hampering community content creation that would otherwise produce content of that level for free (see: almost every shooter "map pack" DLC ever). | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Maybe? But I've seen the Neal-hosted ones and this was a far cry above that. Like a completely other level. I highly suggest Swansong. Adam is an amazing DM, and all of the players RP fairly decently. It's likely still not to the quality of the G&S, but I'm learning a lot from the perspective of player and DM watching it. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On August 29 2015 02:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: Right. Like, I'm not gonna rail against the people who choose to pay for it, I understand the desire for more content. It's just not something I will contribute to. That's interesting though. I'd say it's likely you've spent more money than the cost of a game + DLC on free-to-play games like LoL and Hearthstone. Is the fact it's technically free upfront enough to justify the money you're putting in later? Or the fact it's a choice? | ||
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