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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 12:30:43
August 28 2015 12:30 GMT
#8861
Isn't it all about tweaking to move the RNG in your favor though? Tis a card game.
Edit: Just being the devil's advocate here. It's my favorite past time really.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 28 2015 12:34 GMT
#8862
The new Diablo season starts today... I haven't played since RoS came out though.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 28 2015 12:41 GMT
#8863
On August 28 2015 18:15 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 10:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 28 2015 10:04 Eppa! wrote:
@soniv after some thought this is probably better. http://www.hearthpwn.com/deckbuilder/shaman#77:2;270:2;280:1;335:1;390:2;491:2;542:2;613:1;636:2;676:2;7756:2;12191:2;14455:2;22265:2;22270:2;22271:2;22319:1;22340:1;
Still weak vs face hunter and patron but it should overall be better.


there's 31 cards in that deck

I don't have Al'Akir, although I have enough dust to make him. I have been occasionally wanting hexes, and Ancestral Knowledge would be nice at times.

I haven't actually fought any Patron Warriors this week


AL'Akir in that is just used as a finisher. You can try maybe put in Boom and drop something for a bloodlust as your win con if you want.

edit: Dam I'm one win away from rank 5 and I get Eloise. http://www.liquidhearth.com/stream/eloise_ailv . I opened up to check then realized that would be ghosting and closed so fast now I feel all guilty. Sigh


I'm running the list Eppa linked -1 Al'Akir +1 Boom, -1 Hex +1 Bloodlust

On August 28 2015 21:14 Numy wrote:
Think she plays on all. I know she ruined my run and now i'm tanking rank. Fking cancer pally

edit: dam the ladder is so cancerous right now. So much for TGT slowing things down.


TGT will only slow the format down if people play decks specifically to hard counter aggro decks. Enough people do that, the meta changes. The tools are there, people just want to play their own decks.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 13:15:56
August 28 2015 12:45 GMT
#8864
On August 28 2015 21:30 mordek wrote:
Isn't it all about tweaking to move the RNG in your favor though? Tis a card game.
Edit: Just being the devil's advocate here. It's my favorite past time really.


It doesn't really change how boring the games are. I like having to decide on what to play or play around what he's doing etc. In these fast games there's none of that. It's answer threat and hope you draw your tech. If you do it may still not matter anyway.

I think the defensive options are just too shit in HS compared to offensive. Lack of picking who minions attack is pretty huge. Also the burst damage is pretty disgusting in this game. Gameplan is generally get them to half hp then burst them.

On August 28 2015 21:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 18:15 Numy wrote:
On August 28 2015 10:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 28 2015 10:04 Eppa! wrote:
@soniv after some thought this is probably better. http://www.hearthpwn.com/deckbuilder/shaman#77:2;270:2;280:1;335:1;390:2;491:2;542:2;613:1;636:2;676:2;7756:2;12191:2;14455:2;22265:2;22270:2;22271:2;22319:1;22340:1;
Still weak vs face hunter and patron but it should overall be better.


there's 31 cards in that deck

I don't have Al'Akir, although I have enough dust to make him. I have been occasionally wanting hexes, and Ancestral Knowledge would be nice at times.

I haven't actually fought any Patron Warriors this week


AL'Akir in that is just used as a finisher. You can try maybe put in Boom and drop something for a bloodlust as your win con if you want.

edit: Dam I'm one win away from rank 5 and I get Eloise. http://www.liquidhearth.com/stream/eloise_ailv . I opened up to check then realized that would be ghosting and closed so fast now I feel all guilty. Sigh


I'm running the list Eppa linked -1 Al'Akir +1 Boom, -1 Hex +1 Bloodlust


Tell me how it goes. Think bloodlust is really underrated card, especially in a deck designed to have mass tokens/totems.

edit: yea I'm done with ladder. Maybe next month it won't be cancerous cesspool.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 28 2015 13:17 GMT
#8865
It could just be people succumbing to the dark side to get a certain rank at the end of the season?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 13:25:04
August 28 2015 13:21 GMT
#8866
Who knows. It's just a horde of face hunter, mechmage and cancer pally. Now I play a fucking mill rogue that does ambush turn 3 and gets 2 of them proc in following draw, before that had a mech mage that played his whole hand turn 1 lol.

Fuck this game. I'm uninstalling this RNG bullshit. It's laughable that people consider this an esport
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 28 2015 13:22 GMT
#8867
On August 28 2015 07:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
edit - + Show Spoiler [potentially stupid question] +

Is the "Romanians don't understand sarcasm" meme a TL-exclusive thing? I just saw a mention of it for the first time in a long time in another thread and had completely forgotten about it - which made me realize that I haven't heard that meme in a long time, and therefore it must be the most ancient, dankest one.

yeah this thread is the origin.

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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 28 2015 13:33 GMT
#8868
On August 28 2015 22:21 Numy wrote:
Who knows. It's just a horde of face hunter, mechmage and cancer pally. Now I play a fucking mill rogue that does ambush turn 3 and gets 2 of them proc in following draw, before that had a mech mage that played his whole hand turn 1 lol.

Fuck this game. I'm uninstalling this RNG bullshit. It's laughable that people consider this an esport

How did he do that? Coin - mech warper - double clockwork gome - what's the 4th card?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 13:42:19
August 28 2015 13:37 GMT
#8869
On August 28 2015 22:33 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2015 22:21 Numy wrote:
Who knows. It's just a horde of face hunter, mechmage and cancer pally. Now I play a fucking mill rogue that does ambush turn 3 and gets 2 of them proc in following draw, before that had a mech mage that played his whole hand turn 1 lol.

Fuck this game. I'm uninstalling this RNG bullshit. It's laughable that people consider this an esport

How did he do that? Coin - mech warper - double clockwork gome - what's the 4th card?


Sorry it was turn 2. Mech warper coin mechwarper clockwork gnome annoy-o-tron. Pretty standard "you have lost this game" opening from mechmage. He followed it up with shredder -> frost bolt -> fireball. Tbh not even that salty about that game. That's just Hearthstone telling you to move on to next game. The rogue one was worse. It was like 4/22*3/21*2/20 chance of him getting 3 in a row. Then his boom bot hits my face for 4 which was like 1/6*1/4 and then he uses burgely or whatever it's called which gives him a gorehowl for exact lethal. That's like 1/30 or something. Pretty sure Blizzard is telling me to stop playing the game at this point.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 28 2015 14:04 GMT
#8870
There's a reason I stopped Arena, also the current Tavern Brawl is garbage.
I dunno, people are happy with random decks ('cause they can see new cards, as otherwise go and press "suggestion" 30 times then load up casual mode and tell how fun it is), but Blizzard announced the mode with a new variation each week, people expected some repetition after awhile 'cause it's normal to run out of fresh ideas... then they start recycling barely 6 brawls in. The first time, well, "TGT's coming out so they're putting time aside to release a TGT-themed brawl!" and now "it's the same as the first one but it has TGT cards so it's justified!"

Waiting for next wednesday to see if we're going to have the 3rd recycling in a row and what excuse people will find to say Tavern Brawl is amazing this time.
"Fully random deck!" "Minions summon random minions!" "Spells summon random minions!"
Wow, colour me amazed, such inspiration, such deck-building incentive (well the "summon another minion" had some metagaming going on because everyone wanted to put huge minions in theirs for value so you'd put together an aggro deck to counter them, but apart from that...).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 28 2015 14:16 GMT
#8871
I mean... I just assumed it was play decks that have TGT cards in it now. The epic/legendary chances seem to be really high. Turn 10 Aviana into Cenarius was pretty fun.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 28 2015 14:17 GMT
#8872
I think some people were expecting fewer random elements and more "Here are some deckbuilding rules" themes for brawls. I've liked a few of the Random Brawls (the minion/spell summoning ones were interesting), but it's the utter lack of the latter that makes the former so awful. The occasional Webspinner/Unstable Portal insanity brawl would be fine if they were separated out by a few "minions must share a keyword" or "only odd numbered cards" type brawls.

But brawls where the randomness isn't even slightly interesting is just bleh.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 28 2015 14:19 GMT
#8873
But randomness is FUN*



*+ Show Spoiler +
The Chaos Gods do not guarantee fun. Fun is subject to early termination at Tzeentch's discretion. Fun is to be taken in context of Dwarf Fortress.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 14:27:10
August 28 2015 14:24 GMT
#8874
They were alternating preconstructed with build-your-own-deck each week, however between the "all random", "all unstable portals", "rule to summon random minions", "another rule to summon random minions", its very... stale. Sure it's exciting to some players, but when you look under the hood they're just piling up ways to generate minions with RNG (the initial "all random" brawl was even limited to minion cards) and it's extremely lazy. And repetitive. And boring.

Well... in my case add the context of a "win 5 brawls" quest. With the current brawl it feels like a chore more than anything else and I'm just hoping to get it over with quickly because my wins were just some kind of consistency while my losses were shitty draws or bullshit RNG in what my opponent draws (the kinda Numy talked about with the Gorehowl for exact lethal), so it's not really fun.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 28 2015 14:24 GMT
#8875
On August 28 2015 23:17 Seuss wrote:
I think some people were expecting fewer random elements and more "Here are some deckbuilding rules" themes for brawls. I've liked a few of the Random Brawls (the minion/spell summoning ones were interesting), but it's the utter lack of the latter that makes the former so awful. The occasional Webspinner/Unstable Portal insanity brawl would be fine if they were separated out by a few "minions must share a keyword" or "only odd numbered cards" type brawls.

But brawls where the randomness isn't even slightly interesting is just bleh.

I agree. I would like to see more deckbuilding limitation brawls. I also don't have access to like 60% of the TGT cards, so it was nice to see how things played. Sure you didn't get to optimize for those cards or even guarantee the particular ones you want to see are in the deck but for me it was just a whatever brawl where I got some random and then I played ladder for seriousness.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 14:25:46
August 28 2015 14:25 GMT
#8876
On August 28 2015 23:17 Seuss wrote:
I think some people were expecting fewer random elements and more "Here are some deckbuilding rules" themes for brawls. I've liked a few of the Random Brawls (the minion/spell summoning ones were interesting), but it's the utter lack of the latter that makes the former so awful. The occasional Webspinner/Unstable Portal insanity brawl would be fine if they were separated out by a few "minions must share a keyword" or "only odd numbered cards" type brawls.

But brawls where the randomness isn't even slightly interesting is just bleh.


Yea that's how I feel. I thought it was going to be a interesting kind of deck building mode with some random wackiness thrown in every now and then. Instead it seems mostly randomness. I guess that fits with how blizzard thinks of Hearthstone though.

This week could have been perfect for a "build decks with only TGT cards" brawl where people got the whole collection to work with in the mode to try whatever they wanted.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 28 2015 14:28 GMT
#8877
That would've been way better.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#8878
It would've, but Blizzard isn't going to give players free access to any expansion that's relevant/purchase-worthy. As wonderful and helpful as it would be for brawl, Blizzard wants your money.

Which is probably why there are so many "random" brawls. Some players who don't have strong collections probably appreciate the opportunity to mess around with cards they don't have sans the entry fee and pressure of Arena.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 28 2015 14:42 GMT
#8879
On August 28 2015 23:41 Seuss wrote:
It would've, but Blizzard isn't going to give players free access to any expansion that's relevant/purchase-worthy. As wonderful and helpful as it would be for brawl, Blizzard wants your money.

Just do it the week before the XPack actually releases so that it never conflicts with actually buying the expansion (and serves to advertise it in-game for people who don't read previews online).
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 28 2015 14:44 GMT
#8880
Isnt the point of fully randomized brawls so people with no cards can just play them for quests?I thought that was the whole point lol.
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