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United States47024 Posts
"Food science" is mostly a sham, and a lot of the more extreme "healthy eating" regimens are largely for people trying to overcompensate for not getting enough exercise. Particularly the many variations on heavy carbohydrate restriction diets.
As red said, rice/pasta/potatoes/etc. are largely fine as long as you balance them out with everything else you're supposed to be eating and actually do things to burn the calories you consume.
EDIT: Most of the advantages of brown rice over white rice can largely be compensated elsewhere in your diet and/or through other lifestyle choices. Yes, brown rice has more fiber and secondary nutrients, and a lower glycemic index, but your grain shouldn't be the sole source of fiber and magnesium in your diet anyway. It's really not a deal-breaker.
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I should find something to do with eggs' white, I usually use them whole but cut it when I make pancakes (I find it makes them taste blander otherwise) and it's kind of a waste...
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If you're worried about white rice there's always wild rice, which can be good, and there's also purple potatoes these days that have a lot more antioxidants than normal potatoes (but taste the same in my experience).
IMO the anti-gluten/grain people are generally just overkill. Yes, it helps some people, but a lot of people get no benefit from cutting grains entirely. They can cite people that sound scientific but those people are not a consensus. Unfortunately I've discovered that, though I'd think my B.S. in biology would give me above-average understanding when nutritional specialists talk about chemical pathways, I actually can't tell the difference between someone spouting BS food science and someone saying something worthwhile. So I work from my perception of the consensus and ignore anything remotely like a fad.
If I want to eat healthy I would be more focused on mixing the things I like and readily eat (meats, grains) with the other stuff I have more trouble getting myself to eat (vegetables, fruits) so that the overall experiences stays nice. I also do what it takes to make the latter tasty enough that I enjoy it. My thinking is that it's better to douse a salad in ranch now if that's what will get me into the habit of eating salads. I can learn to cut back on the ranch or switch to olive oil later.
The one "fad" that makes sense to me is people who do elimination diets. When you have some weird condition or whatever there's only one way to tell if your particular body is having trouble with something you're eating, and the only comprehensive scientific way to do that is elimination and reintroduction. But it's not easy to do.
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On January 21 2017 08:15 killerdog wrote:
Does anyone here actually eat healthily?
Proper diet goes into the category of working out consistently. Something I want to do but have poor self control in.
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United States47024 Posts
IMO the anti-gluten/grain people are generally just overkill.
Gluten-free naturally makes sense for people with Celiac disease or similar conditions that result in a negative response to gluten, but I'm willing to bet that a significant number of people jumped on the fad despite having no gluten-related condition whatsoever.
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On January 21 2017 09:24 TheYango wrote:Gluten-free naturally makes sense for people with Celiac disease or similar conditions that result in a negative response to gluten, but I'm willing to bet that a significant number of people jumped on the fad despite having no gluten-related condition whatsoever.
I have a few friends in the restaurant business and they hate the gluten free fad. So many people just out of nowhere kept getting gluten free stuff to the point where they'd often run out and weren't able to offer those meals to people that actually need them.
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On the plus side it's a lot easier to find gluten free stuff in grocery stores these days.
On January 21 2017 09:24 TheYango wrote:Gluten-free naturally makes sense for people with Celiac disease or similar conditions that result in a negative response to gluten, but I'm willing to bet that a significant number of people jumped on the fad despite having no gluten-related condition whatsoever.
Yep, but I've had friends who were really into anti-grain/paleo style stuff without that kind of condition and that's mainly what I was trying to rant about.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 21 2017 09:13 phyvo wrote:
If you're worried about white rice there's always wild rice, which can be good, and there's also purple potatoes these days that have a lot more antioxidants than normal potatoes (but taste the same in my experience).
IMO the anti-gluten/grain people are generally just overkill. Yes, it helps some people, but a lot of people get no benefit from cutting grains entirely. They can cite people that sound scientific but those people are not a consensus. Unfortunately I've discovered that, though I'd think my B.S. in biology would give me above-average understanding when nutritional specialists talk about chemical pathways, I actually can't tell the difference between someone spouting BS food science and someone saying something worthwhile. So I work from my perception of the consensus and ignore anything remotely like a fad.
If I want to eat healthy I would be more focused on mixing the things I like and readily eat (meats, grains) with the other stuff I have more trouble getting myself to eat (vegetables, fruits) so that the overall experiences stays nice. I also do what it takes to make the latter tasty enough that I enjoy it. My thinking is that it's better to douse a salad in ranch now if that's what will get me into the habit of eating salads. I can learn to cut back on the ranch or switch to olive oil later.
The one "fad" that makes sense to me is people who do elimination diets. When you have some weird condition or whatever there's only one way to tell if your particular body is having trouble with something you're eating, and the only comprehensive scientific way to do that is elimination and reintroduction. But it's not easy to do.
You see, I wish my parents were more reasonable when it went to things like eating vegetables. My dad used to force us to eat vegetables, which fair enough, you need 'em, but he used to make us eat them all by themselves, in a sort of a vegetable bowl (not even a proper salad). Most vegetables are so much better when mixed with other stuff or in a sandwich.
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On January 21 2017 10:05 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2017 09:24 TheYango wrote:IMO the anti-gluten/grain people are generally just overkill. Gluten-free naturally makes sense for people with Celiac disease or similar conditions that result in a negative response to gluten, but I'm willing to bet that a significant number of people jumped on the fad despite having no gluten-related condition whatsoever. I have a few friends in the restaurant business and they hate the gluten free fad. So many people just out of nowhere kept getting gluten free stuff to the point where they'd often run out and weren't able to offer those meals to people that actually need them.
o/
Gluten free is fine and I don't particularly care it's that people don't say if they want gluten free or are actually have celiacs. Interestingly enough it gotten much much better the last couple of years.
Then again my mother went with some gluten/onion/some other shit diet and it helped her IBS.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Also, isn't gluten just basically protein? Unless you actually have celiacs, isn't it kinda good for you?
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Isn't X just basically Y? Is a terrible argument Scip.
On January 21 2017 09:10 Alaric wrote:
I should find something to do with eggs' white, I usually use them whole but cut it when I make pancakes (I find it makes them taste blander otherwise) and it's kind of a waste...
If you like desserts us it for them. Otherwise you can make drinks with or use it in some Swedish metaballs.
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United States47024 Posts
Some people have less serious reactions to gluten, but as is typically the case with health crazes, you get a few legitimate cases and a ton of people who are convinced they have something when they're fine.
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The biggest reason why people dislike vegetables is that they suck at cooking. Most people can cook carbs, A lot of people can cook meat, fuck all can cook vegetables well. Look at Reddit: Meat, Carbs and Asian.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 21 2017 10:35 Eppa! wrote:Isn't X just basically Y? Is a terrible argument Scip. Show nested quote +On January 21 2017 09:10 Alaric wrote:
I should find something to do with eggs' white, I usually use them whole but cut it when I make pancakes (I find it makes them taste blander otherwise) and it's kind of a waste... If you like desserts us it for them. Otherwise you can make drinks with or use it in some Swedish metaballs.
That's why it's phrased as a fucking question and not a statement of fact. Are you capable of basic communication?
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I try to eat healthy but it seems that all the information contradicts each other. So I give up and just consume way too much sugar.
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Most of my vegetables are microwaved canned food... potatoes are fresh, salsifies go into the frying pan instead, though I guess I could try beans/carrots/peas/etc. in sauce pan too. Meat is frying pan and what little fish I eat is oven though.
I checked the meatballs, and it's something simple enough that I could do. Prob too much work for me to bother doing for myself save once in awhile tho, but looks simple/cheap enough that you try it a couple times then you can make 'em when you've got guests.
Also reminded me of these "swedish oats biscuits" I bought, thought they tasted really good but when I checked the list for all the stuff they added and the amount of sugar included... yeah. >.>
What with being unemployed, if I got up early enough I could actually go to the market and use the opportunity to eat better / maybe learn a couple more simple things to cook. I'm really bad at using the opportunity. Then again if I hadn't fucked up with my ex I'm sure I'd have felt compelled to be a bett- less pragmatic cook.  And I've cut down on chocolate and shit which certainly did more good than whatever exercising I do at home and hitting fruits and vegetables.
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I just blanch and boil my veggies nothing special I guess but it tastes alright
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United States37500 Posts
My thoughts about cooking and eating healthy in general. fwiw I cook regularly and eat out prob fewer times than I can count on my two hands each month.
I think for the most part, most people our generation don't really cook because it's inconvenient and thus they never really bothered to learn. If you're cooking for 1-2 people each night, it doesn't take more than an hour. Prep probably takes more time than the actual cooking and prep time goes down dramatically the more comfortable you get with a recipe/know what you're doing.
Meat
Typically comes in four forms for me that I try to rotate every couple days: beef, chicken, pork, fish.
Ground beef is cheapest and fastest to cook. Good for tacos, stir fry, and chili. I usually get 80/20 lean cause it taste better and doesn't dry out as much but you'll likely want to drain the beef at some point after cooking. Learn how to pan-sear a ribeye for those special occasions.
Pork is pretty versatile. Usually either get pork chop for oven cooking or pork shoulder/butt for crock pot slow cooking.
Chicken also pretty versatile, breast or thighs are easiest to work with. Dice into small portions for pan frying or larger pieces for oven roasting. You can also get rotisserie chicken from like Costco, which is a different flavor and texture profile for the bird.
Fish I'm actually trying to diversify. I eat a salmon fillets prob once a week. Season and into the oven.
For meat in general, it's mostly about flavor so your spice rack is fairly important. Avoid overcooking which makes everything tough and dry, if not burnt, and figure out what flavors you enjoy the most.
Veggies
I'm Chinese so I eat various types of choy. Cut off the ends, wash, saute over hot oil in a pan, season with salt and serve. I'm ok with salads, usually get a box of mixed greens, also from Costco, and throw some kind of meat and dressing over it. People tend to go overboard with dressing. Don't use anything heavy like thousand island, that stuff just makes your efforts of trying to eat healthy moot. Some kind of light vinaigrette. You don't even need the full two tbsp serving.
Carbs
As mentioned above, rice is part of my regular diet. I've tried brown rice but it's really not my thing compare to white (homai) rice. I do throw in some quinoa for more dietary fiber. I really enjoyed pasta during college but I consciously cut back nowadays. I agree the no gluten fad is utter nonsense but insulin resistance => type 2 diabetes is something I consider so I still cut back on carbs all the same. Sweet potatoes are also an easy and healthy alternative.
Other than that, drink lots of water. I drink about 5+ cups a day. Eat more fruit. I try to eat at least one piece a day. No soda. Cut back on sugar and unnecessary calories as often as possible (mmm donuts). My guilty pleasure is ice cream. Here's my dinner for tonight since I'm eating alone. I ate pretty much an entire loaf of custard bread yesterday so just pork chop and chinese spinach tonight.
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I am a pretty healthy guy and pretty fit these days, and probably half of my diet is white rice.
Easiest way to be healthy IMO is just make sure you're outside and active a reasonable amount of the day.
Not sure what's wrong with rice though.
Oh also, in Ketara news, my girlfriend is moving in with me.
Well she's already been here for the last 4 weeks or so.
We just decided she may as well help me with my rent instead of pay for a place she's never in anymore.
So hooray!
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United States47024 Posts
On January 21 2017 13:51 Ketara wrote:
Not sure what's wrong with rice though.
White rice is mostly "empty" calories in that it's just pure carbohydrate without other nutrients. It also has relatively high glycemic index (i.e. it's metabolized to glucose relatively quickly by your body, which results in higher blood sugar and higher insulin response).
The former isn't really a problem if you're balancing out the rest of your diet, as you should have plenty of other sources of the various nutrients that whole grains provide, so it shouldn't really make a huge difference. The latter is potentially an issue but largely dependent on your lifestyle and sugar intake in other parts of your diet. You do need a decent carbohydrate intake to support an active lifestyle and moderate carbohydrate intake with an active lifestyle is better than carbohydrate restriction with a sedentary lifestyle.
TL;DR white rice is only "bad" in the context of other not-great diet/lifestyle choices. Most of it's problems are largely mitigated by balancing out your diet and exercise as a whole.
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