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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On October 31 2013 00:17 Requizen wrote: Anyone thinking of getting a PS4 on release? Warframe looks cool but I don't really see a reason to dump $400+ on day 1. Just play Warframe on steam, bro. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
The last console I ever bought was a PS2 and I only got that because my PS1 broke and I wanted something that could play my old games. Now I can play those on my computer too. I even have a controller! So why pay thousands of dollars on console stuff when you could spend said thousands of dollars on trips to Korea to see girl bands? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Or we just have money to throw around huehue | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Girl bands. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
There are bears outside, Ket. BEARS. And like, snakes and shit I don't know it's fucking scary. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 31 2013 00:44 Ketara wrote: I don't understand console gamers. That hobby costs way too much in relation to computer games and the reward is similar. The last console I ever bought was a PS2 and I only got that because my PS1 broke and I wanted something that could play my old games. Now I can play those on my computer too. I even have a controller! So why pay thousands of dollars on console stuff when you could spend said thousands of dollars on trips to Korea to see girl bands? Ps4 costs 400, a amd 7950 costs 350. For 50 bucks more you get a home media center. What's hard to get? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Doing gaming on your computer is a price increase of 0$. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 31 2013 00:44 Ketara wrote: I don't understand console gamers. That hobby costs way too much in relation to computer games and the reward is similar. The last console I ever bought was a PS2 and I only got that because my PS1 broke and I wanted something that could play my old games. Now I can play those on my computer too. I even have a controller! So why pay thousands of dollars on console stuff when you could spend said thousands of dollars on trips to Korea to see girl bands? A lot of people started gaming on consoles, and there's a lot of brand loyalty toward specific titles. Though brand loyalty in video games hasn't been worth a lot in recent years, given how certain brands (such as one that this site is primarily dedicated toward) have not produced games up to par with their previous standards in recent years. On October 31 2013 00:54 Ketara wrote: The difference is you need to have a computer whether or not you're going to be doing gaming. Your computer is already a home media center. And does gaming. Doing gaming on your computer is a price increase of 0$. That's not really true. The majority of PCs owned at home are not serviceable for playing games that are less than a generation or two behind. Obviously there's indie and retro gaming, but that draws a particular kind of gamer. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Consoles are more convenient and require little to no maintenance. What you do on your desktop (including getting viruses if you're a dumbass) does not affect your console gaming. | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 31 2013 00:53 wei2coolman wrote: Ps4 costs 400, a amd 7950 costs 350. For 50 bucks more you get a home media center. What's hard to get? You don't need a 7950 to match the power of a PS4 lolololololol. According to PAX reviews, BF4 on consoles is rendered at 720 and upscaled to 1080 for your new fancy million dollar TV A 7950 can hit 60+ fps with the same graphics settings as a console, but instead of some dumb upscaling I'm gaming at 2560x1440 native. Obviously a 27" monitor costs more than a TV but the idea is that with a PC you pay a premium to get premium graphics. If you don't want to pay the premium, you could build a box that per price outperforms a console. The premium in consoles isn't spent on hardware, it's spent on sustaining a closed ecosystem and console branding. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 31 2013 00:54 Ketara wrote: The difference is you need to have a computer whether or not you're going to be doing gaming. Your computer is already a home media center. And does gaming. Doing gaming on your computer is a price increase of 0$. Are you seriously being this obtuse again? Most console only gamers, do not spend 1k on their computers, which is probably around what you have to spend to play new AAA title at decent resolution/framerates/quality. On October 31 2013 01:05 xes wrote: You don't need a 7950 to match the power of a PS4 lolololololol. According to PAX reviews, BF4 on consoles is rendered at 720 and upscaled to 1080 for your new fancy million dollar TV A 7950 can hit 60+ fps with the same graphics settings as a console, but instead of some dumb upscaling I'm gaming at 2560x1440 native. Obviously a 27" monitor costs more than a TV but the idea is that with a PC you pay a premium to get premium graphics. If you don't want to pay the premium, you could build a box that per price outperforms a console. The premium in consoles isn't spent on hardware, it's spent on sustaining a closed ecosystem and console branding. the reason i use 7950 as comparison, is because that's essentially whats in the new ps4. Not to mention, console gaming tends to be far more optimized for hardware than pc gaming. so less is usually more. Just look at graphics from when ps3 came out, and now, it's changed a bunch, despite no hardware changes. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
but true men don't | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 31 2013 01:07 wei2coolman wrote: Are you seriously being this obtuse again? Most console only gamers, do not spend 1k on their computers, which is probably around what you have to spend to play new AAA title at decent resolution/framerates/quality. That's not true at all. Maybe in the $500-600 dollar range, you're looking at pushing 1k if you're taking in peripherals like monitor/mouse/keyboard/speakers, but then you'd have to account TV/surround sound/extra controllers for a console as well. Like I said, the draw of consoles (for me anyway) is convenience. You don't need to know how to build a top-end PC, you just go buy a console. You don't need to install a game and be connected to the internet (lol Origin and sometimes Steam because fucking offline mode never works), you just pop in a disk. No managing files or hard drive space, no upgrading a system as it moves on, you just hook up the 3 wires and sit on your couch. People will ALWAYS pay a premium for convenience, and I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing. It's just the nature of entertainment, and one I willingly and happily subscribe to. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 31 2013 01:09 Dandel Ion wrote: pc gaming only costs real amounts of money if you're a chump and care about texture quality and that shit but true men don't Then that sort of defeats the purpose, and then you might as well go console gaming, with crap computer route. On October 31 2013 01:11 Requizen wrote: That's not true at all. Maybe in the $500-600 dollar range, you're looking at pushing 1k if you're taking in peripherals like monitor/mouse/keyboard/speakers, but then you'd have to account TV/surround sound/extra controllers for a console as well. Like I said, the draw of consoles (for me anyway) is convenience. You don't need to know how to build a top-end PC, you just go buy a console. You don't need to install a game and be connected to the internet (lol Origin and sometimes Steam because fucking offline mode never works), you just pop in a disk. No managing files or hard drive space, no upgrading a system as it moves on, you just hook up the 3 wires and sit on your couch. People will ALWAYS pay a premium for convenience, and I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing. It's just the nature of entertainment, and one I willingly and happily subscribe to. gimme a 600 dollar build that plays BF4 at 1080p, with medium settings on everything, with minimum framerate of 30. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On a console it's like buying an iBuyPower PC and then having some dude come over and install your game, update your drivers, and optimize your game settings for you. If you care and put in the effort you outpace the console by far. If you don't care then it is a frustrating experience. Kind of like the decision to buy a Mac, except Apple also comes with phenomenal service tacked into that premium whereas Macroshaft service sucks nuts On October 31 2013 01:12 wei2coolman wrote: gimme a 600 dollar build that plays BF4 at 1080p, with medium settings on everything, with minimum framerate of 30. Did you miss the part where consoles render BF4 at 1280x720? You could do that on a 650 Ti which sells for sub $100 sometimes. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 31 2013 01:12 wei2coolman wrote: Then that sort of defeats the purpose, and then you might as well go console gaming, with crap computer route. gimme a 600 dollar build that plays BF4 at 1080p, with medium settings on everything, with minimum framerate of 30. The one I'm using can easily do better and only cost ~700 when all was said and done. But I bought it during Black Friday huehue | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 31 2013 01:12 wei2coolman wrote: Then that sort of defeats the purpose, and then you might as well go console gaming, with crap computer route. I play games that interest me I keep playing them if they are good like thats it period dunno what kind of purpose that defeats but ey | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 31 2013 01:15 Requizen wrote: The one I'm using can easily do better and only cost ~700 when all was said and done. But I bought it during Black Friday huehue Specs? On October 31 2013 01:15 Dandel Ion wrote: I play games that interest me I keep playing them if they are good like thats it period dunno what kind of purpose that defeats but ey There are plenty of good console games. Consoles just hit a really nice price point that happens to match the budget of a lot of their target audience, that's why it's so popular. Inb4 console apologist, only consoles I've ever owned are a Playstation, Playstation 2, and Wii. | ||
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