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On April 18 2014 13:38 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 13:34 Cixah wrote:On April 18 2014 13:32 MoonBear wrote:On April 18 2014 13:28 Cixah wrote:On April 18 2014 13:26 Gahlo wrote:On April 18 2014 13:22 Requizen wrote:On April 18 2014 13:16 Gahlo wrote:On April 18 2014 12:57 Requizen wrote:
So I'm kinda torn on the whole Katawa Seiyū thing. I want to see it all done, I want to sit and listen to the story over and over again, but...
The VAs are never going to be exactly how you imagine the voices in your mind, right? Like how it's really hard to get just the right actors for movie adaptations of books.
I'm so apprehensive. I want it to be good. Time to listen to the prologue... Meh. I don't really care too much because my internal voices for them was all based on how you read it out loud while waiting on a que in league while streaming waaaaay back. So what you're saying is no voice will ever measure up to my dulcet tones? It's too late to start going down that road now~ Struggling to now hop on Ebay and put up my Misty Rainforests. 4 measly cards could get me ~$250, but then leave holes in a deck. =[ Nope. Nope Nope nope NOPE NOPE NOPE. Your misty will only go up in value. Until they reprint it at some point ofc. Wild speculation says M15 but that's more desperate hype than anything. More realistic is Huey but even that's a bit questionable. What block is Huey? Do we even know yet? Huey Dewy Louie (named after the Donald Duck triplets) is Fall 2014 and apparently a bottom-up design set (in contrast to Innistrad and Theros Block top-down) but that's all has been revealed so far. MaRo also said it's got a unique block structure which suggests LLS block sizes or something. It's also on a new plane so no revisit to Zendikar (which would have provided a convenient excuse to reprint Fetches). Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 13:34 Cixah wrote:
E: I thought the Fetches (Old and New) Got added to the No Reprint Lists? Reserved List is Legacy-era stuff only. Zendikar Fetches are highly likely for reprint since Wizards said Modern was designed so that they could reprint anything necessary so you don't have bottlenecks like in Legacy Duals and the Ravnica Shocks reprinting was a move in that direction since they were around $30+ before announcement I think? There's no guarantee on Onslaught Fetches but speculation says they should be coming at some point because otherwise you have a problem with only enemy-colour pairs having smooth manabases...
I'm not sure I see the point of fetch lands... because using them doesn't cost mana and you place the lands untapped, you don't lose tempo while thinning your deck, so if you're reliant on some kind of combo or good openers it helps you find what you're searching for (while tutors cost mana in exchange for reliablity)? Also when your deck is dual colour you can keep them in your opening hand for versatility (iirc you mulligan your entire hand so maybe it doesn't hold that much value)?
On April 18 2014 12:23 Cixah wrote:AWWWW BOY Heroes of the Storm Alpha Invite 
Too bad you won't get to play it with these 13 hours days.
On April 18 2014 14:54 MoonBear wrote:Shuhei Nakamura. Not Shushei the LoL player.  Also Shuhei is my idol. I'd love to get his autograph some time.
That's not how I envisioned you using that word.
On April 18 2014 12:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Katawa Seiyu could totally ruin it if it's not REALLY well done. Req you need to screen it for me k? Thx bby
Time to jump train to MonMusu for you obv.
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On April 18 2014 17:41 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 13:38 MoonBear wrote:On April 18 2014 13:34 Cixah wrote:On April 18 2014 13:32 MoonBear wrote:On April 18 2014 13:28 Cixah wrote:On April 18 2014 13:26 Gahlo wrote:On April 18 2014 13:22 Requizen wrote:On April 18 2014 13:16 Gahlo wrote:On April 18 2014 12:57 Requizen wrote:
So I'm kinda torn on the whole Katawa Seiyū thing. I want to see it all done, I want to sit and listen to the story over and over again, but...
The VAs are never going to be exactly how you imagine the voices in your mind, right? Like how it's really hard to get just the right actors for movie adaptations of books.
I'm so apprehensive. I want it to be good. Time to listen to the prologue... Meh. I don't really care too much because my internal voices for them was all based on how you read it out loud while waiting on a que in league while streaming waaaaay back. So what you're saying is no voice will ever measure up to my dulcet tones? It's too late to start going down that road now~ Struggling to now hop on Ebay and put up my Misty Rainforests. 4 measly cards could get me ~$250, but then leave holes in a deck. =[ Nope. Nope Nope nope NOPE NOPE NOPE. Your misty will only go up in value. Until they reprint it at some point ofc. Wild speculation says M15 but that's more desperate hype than anything. More realistic is Huey but even that's a bit questionable. What block is Huey? Do we even know yet? Huey Dewy Louie (named after the Donald Duck triplets) is Fall 2014 and apparently a bottom-up design set (in contrast to Innistrad and Theros Block top-down) but that's all has been revealed so far. MaRo also said it's got a unique block structure which suggests LLS block sizes or something. It's also on a new plane so no revisit to Zendikar (which would have provided a convenient excuse to reprint Fetches). On April 18 2014 13:34 Cixah wrote:
E: I thought the Fetches (Old and New) Got added to the No Reprint Lists? Reserved List is Legacy-era stuff only. Zendikar Fetches are highly likely for reprint since Wizards said Modern was designed so that they could reprint anything necessary so you don't have bottlenecks like in Legacy Duals and the Ravnica Shocks reprinting was a move in that direction since they were around $30+ before announcement I think? There's no guarantee on Onslaught Fetches but speculation says they should be coming at some point because otherwise you have a problem with only enemy-colour pairs having smooth manabases... I'm not sure I see the point of fetch lands... because using them doesn't cost mana and you place the lands untapped, you don't lose tempo while thinning your deck, so if you're reliant on some kind of combo or good openers it helps you find what you're searching for (while tutors cost mana in exchange for reliablity)? Also when your deck is dual colour you can keep them in your opening hand for versatility (iirc you mulligan your entire hand so maybe it doesn't hold that much value)? Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 12:23 Cixah wrote:AWWWW BOY Heroes of the Storm Alpha Invite Too bad you won't get to play it with these 13 hours days. Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 14:54 MoonBear wrote:Shuhei Nakamura. Not Shushei the LoL player. Also Shuhei is my idol. I'd love to get his autograph some time. That's not how I envisioned you using that word. Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 12:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Katawa Seiyu could totally ruin it if it's not REALLY well done. Req you need to screen it for me k? Thx bby Time to jump train to MonMusu for you obv.
Fetchlands act as a very efficent form of Mana Fixing, while having the added bonus of improving draws by:
1. Reducing the amount of lands you in theory would draw (deck thinning).
2. Making the top of your deck "live" if you have manipulation (scry/brainstorm/ponder/Jace ect.)
3. Fixing your mana base for you as most dual/tri color decks rely on a certain amount of a colored land in order to function. Fetch lands allow you to pick which lands you need where.
I'm staying up a bit later tonight to install some HOTS, then play MAYBE a game before bed.
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Fetchlands also have the advantage that they can provide basic lands, which gets around Wasteland, as well as adding another card/card type into your graveyard.
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Thanks for the info, not sure I get everything tho. What's mana fixing, the whole optimisation of your draw and the amount of terrains in your decks in comparison to your curve/needs?
How do you make your deck "live" if fetch lands make you shuffle once you've chosen a land? If you've got nothing interesting coming up according to your manipulation you just use a fetch land/if you've got nothing interesting but a fetch land you put it on top so next turn you can reshuffle your deck and hope for better draw RNG?
I assume you choose the amount of lands in your deck wrt probabilities to draw them, regardless of how much you need in the long term, especially because of accelerators/mana generating cards/combos. You're looking for "how many lands do I need to reliably hit that 4 forests mark by turn 5 where my combo can kick in" rather than "how much mana do I need to make this combo work, total"; putting a fetch land in place of a basic land reduces your total amount of available mana but doesn't hurt your mana base/curve since you'll never use every terrain from your card during a game?
Gosh I suck at being concise.
^ It doesn't seem that big to me, but I guess non-basic lands make up more lands than I'd think in competitive decks because of the advantags they provide and deck optimisation?
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Also, Alaric, bear in mind that in formats with both fetch and dual or shock lands, the fact that the shock and dual lands have the basic subtypes means that a fetchland can reach for colors the basic types the fetch searches for does not actually provide (e.g. a Bloodstained Mire can provide white mana by fetching a Godless Shrine).
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Yeah, it's like getting into DotA all over again, "that doesn't seem that broken. - That's because you don't know yet of that other thing that combos with it."
But you replace 110 heroes and 40 items with hundreds of cards. @_@
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On April 18 2014 18:01 Alaric wrote:
Thanks for the info, not sure I get everything tho. What's mana fixing, the whole optimisation of your draw and the amount of terrains in your decks in comparison to your curve/needs?
How do you make your deck "live" if fetch lands make you shuffle once you've chosen a land? If you've got nothing interesting coming up according to your manipulation you just use a fetch land/if you've got nothing interesting but a fetch land you put it on top so next turn you can reshuffle your deck and hope for better draw RNG?
I assume you choose the amount of lands in your deck wrt probabilities to draw them, regardless of how much you need in the long term, especially because of accelerators/mana generating cards/combos. You're looking for "how many lands do I need to reliably hit that 4 forests mark by turn 5 where my combo can kick in" rather than "how much mana do I need to make this combo work, total"; putting a fetch land in place of a basic land reduces your total amount of available mana but doesn't hurt your mana base/curve since you'll never use every terrain from your card during a game?
Gosh I suck at being concise.
^ It doesn't seem that big to me, but I guess non-basic lands make up more lands than I'd think in competitive decks because of the advantags they provide and deck optimisation?
I'll give you a very basic example.
You're dead on your opponent's next turn. Let's say you also have a sensei's Divining Top in play (Not modern relevant but the easiest example), at the end of your opp's turn you spin top and look at the top 3 and see that all 3 cards have no chance in giving you the out you need in order to win the game/not die on his next turn.
With a fetch land you can crack it at the end of his turn (Assumning the fetch won't kill you.) get your land that you would have had to have in order to use the fetch for mana anyway, and MAKE THE TOP OF YOUR DECK LIVE again because those 3 cards that wouldn't have helped you are gone and you have a fresh 3 cards to look at (potentially 4 after your draw.)
The same thing goes for brainstorm effects where you draw 3 put 2 back, (2 you dont want) and then crack the fetch and shuffle so the top of your deck isn't stagnant.
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Oh crap divining top looks super strong as long as you've got something else to draw and put it back in play without waiting for the next turn. I get it better, thanks, for some reason I was operating under the assumption that effects like these were stuck on "play then discard" cards, having it on just a mana cost or even tapping effect makes it much smoother.
Hm, as I thought, the melody is pretty darn good and the... I assume it's a vibraphone? little background tune is entrancing, but the whole thing has more potential. Gotta go around and check unofficial arranges in hopes of finding a more "complete"/less repetitive one.
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how did you guys see your post spike graph chart thing? oo
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On April 18 2014 06:55 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 06:52 Requizen wrote:On April 18 2014 06:51 MoonBear wrote:On April 18 2014 06:50 Shelke14 wrote:On April 18 2014 06:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:On April 18 2014 06:44 Shelke14 wrote:Shipping costs too much. Already priced things out with soniv. Same cost if you just buy a few bags. Remember req, frito-lay only <3 Can we get a fucking tally of who has the most top of the page posts. Jesus I'm fucking good at this confirmation bias, you haven't gotten it as many times as you think you have I was a late bloomer too. At the start of this thread I didn't post that much. You guys scared me. Would be interesting to see a graph of how much I've posted since I joined. I swear my first year here I had maybe 25 posts ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IWOjiJ6.png) Where did you find this wonderful information and graph and is available to non-staff? This link will show your own post count. Only Mods and up can see everyone else's graph though. We can also see your posts as % distribution across the different forums and your moderation history.
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slept through my alarm, woke up half an hour late
good start
but it's ok cuz it's Friday and I get to see my siblings this weekend!
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Get to see one of my siblings too this w-e. "I gotta see people in your own this week-end and don't know anyone there, can I crash at your place?". x)
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It's fucking friday cowboys and cowgirls ( are there any girls here, if so hi my name is shelke). Today is the day I've been counting down all week! Just gotta finish up work and then drive a few house till I'm back down south!!!
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On April 18 2014 23:04 Shelke14 wrote:
It's fucking friday cowboys and cowgirls ( are there any girls here, if so hi my name is shelke). Today is the day I've been counting down all week! Just gotta finish up work and then drive a few house till I'm back down south!!!
Where the hell is South Canada?
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Friday is a nice day.
So my sister wants to apply for a job at my company. She wants to move back to Chicago and hasn't found a teaching position here yet, and was thinking that maybe she wanted to take a break from teaching and do something else. On one hand, I want to help her find something, and if she got hired I know she'd do a good job (also I would get a bunch of money for referral). On the other hand, wouldn't it be weird to work with a family member at a full time job? I mean, it's one thing if it's a family run business, sure, but just a regular job seems different, no?
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On April 18 2014 23:13 Kyrie wrote:
is shelke a real name
See thats what I was wondering
It's actually Shelkelp, but that doesn't really help a lot. Is it just a random assortment of beach items, or is there some meaning to their arrangement of shells being presented foremost over the kelp? Does the kelp have the shell's back? Is ths shell the leader?
For years I have wondered
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Ghandi is my one true love. Never change
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