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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 17 2014 20:17 GMT
#28801
Also, the most disappointing thing to me that I've seen from Heroes so far is how the hero pool is slanted toward D3/SC2/WoW characters. Needs more recognition for stuff from D2/War3/BW.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 17 2014 20:18 GMT
#28802
If DotA is MTG, LoL is Hearthstone, then Heroes looks like Estiah
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 17 2014 20:21 GMT
#28803
So DotA has a shitty client and attracts toxic players who are elitist about their game, while League has some shitty UI design and has a great business model but a balance team that's not at all in tune with the problems in their game?
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 17 2014 20:22 GMT
#28804
On March 18 2014 05:17 TheYango wrote:
Also, the most disappointing thing to me that I've seen from Heroes so far is how the hero pool is slanted toward D3/SC2/WoW characters. Needs more recognition for stuff from D2/War3/BW.

I'm don't know much about Diablo, but who would you bring in from War3/BW? I feel like anyone in War3 is in WoW anyway unless they're dead (and even then they show up every now and then), and the BW characters that don't overlap are like Fenix or Stukov.
It's your boy Guzma!
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 17 2014 20:25 GMT
#28805
On March 18 2014 05:22 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 05:17 TheYango wrote:
Also, the most disappointing thing to me that I've seen from Heroes so far is how the hero pool is slanted toward D3/SC2/WoW characters. Needs more recognition for stuff from D2/War3/BW.

I'm don't know much about Diablo, but who would you bring in from War3/BW? I feel like anyone in War3 is in WoW anyway unless they're dead (and even then they show up every now and then), and the BW characters that don't overlap are like Fenix or Stukov.


Don't even get me started bro. This current hero/character list is garbage. Too frustrated to give complete answer.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 17 2014 20:29 GMT
#28806
On March 18 2014 05:25 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 05:22 Requizen wrote:
On March 18 2014 05:17 TheYango wrote:
Also, the most disappointing thing to me that I've seen from Heroes so far is how the hero pool is slanted toward D3/SC2/WoW characters. Needs more recognition for stuff from D2/War3/BW.

I'm don't know much about Diablo, but who would you bring in from War3/BW? I feel like anyone in War3 is in WoW anyway unless they're dead (and even then they show up every now and then), and the BW characters that don't overlap are like Fenix or Stukov.


Don't even get me started bro. This current hero/character list is garbage. Too frustrated to give complete answer.

Meh, they're obviously going to expand the list in the future, and they had to get the big ticket names in there from the current games. I don't doubt we're going to see some more obscure ones in the future.
It's your boy Guzma!
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 20:31:38
March 17 2014 20:30 GMT
#28807
The one thing I noticed about Heroes is that from what I've seen the hero's kits are pretty damn good to the point that I'd say it's the best part of the game and proves that blizzard has talent. Stuff like Abathor's kit is just really damn interesting and then the little things like Raynors Battlecruiser ult(essentially a directional moving gp ult) are cool updates on common-ish ideas.

If they had just put in these heroes with a standard moba map/design with items I'd be far more interested. Right now I just feel sad because the maps are so small and seem entirely focused on map events for winning. Which is cool sometimes(everyone needs a dominion from time to time) but I dunno feels off.

Oh right, also tassadar should of had a crash a carrier into a target for an ult. Also eagerly awaiting a Fenix dragoon hero.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
March 17 2014 20:31 GMT
#28808
On March 18 2014 05:21 TheYango wrote:
So DotA has a shitty client and attracts toxic players who are elitist about their game, while League has some shitty UI design and has a great business model but a balance team that's not at all in tune with the problems in their game?

I mean you're not even that far off I think?
Bronze player stuck in platinum
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 17 2014 20:32 GMT
#28809
Needs more Rock'n Roll Racing and Blackthorne.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 17 2014 20:33 GMT
#28810
On March 18 2014 05:29 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 05:25 red_ wrote:
On March 18 2014 05:22 Requizen wrote:
On March 18 2014 05:17 TheYango wrote:
Also, the most disappointing thing to me that I've seen from Heroes so far is how the hero pool is slanted toward D3/SC2/WoW characters. Needs more recognition for stuff from D2/War3/BW.

I'm don't know much about Diablo, but who would you bring in from War3/BW? I feel like anyone in War3 is in WoW anyway unless they're dead (and even then they show up every now and then), and the BW characters that don't overlap are like Fenix or Stukov.


Don't even get me started bro. This current hero/character list is garbage. Too frustrated to give complete answer.

Meh, they're obviously going to expand the list in the future, and they had to get the big ticket names in there from the current games. I don't doubt we're going to see some more obscure ones in the future.

There are a lot of "big ticket" names that are missing though. Thrall, Grom Hellscream, any Dreadlord, Pit Lord or Eredar, etc.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 20:35:01
March 17 2014 20:33 GMT
#28811
There are lots of memorable D2 designs missing as well
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 17 2014 20:36 GMT
#28812
On the topic of D2, I thought it was pretty lame that Azmodan from D3 was a potential inclusion over Mephisto or Baal from D2. Not only are Mephisto and Baal more important characters within the Diablo mythos, they also have ability sets that make more sense to port into a MOBA.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 17 2014 20:37 GMT
#28813
On March 18 2014 05:33 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 05:29 Requizen wrote:
On March 18 2014 05:25 red_ wrote:
On March 18 2014 05:22 Requizen wrote:
On March 18 2014 05:17 TheYango wrote:
Also, the most disappointing thing to me that I've seen from Heroes so far is how the hero pool is slanted toward D3/SC2/WoW characters. Needs more recognition for stuff from D2/War3/BW.

I'm don't know much about Diablo, but who would you bring in from War3/BW? I feel like anyone in War3 is in WoW anyway unless they're dead (and even then they show up every now and then), and the BW characters that don't overlap are like Fenix or Stukov.


Don't even get me started bro. This current hero/character list is garbage. Too frustrated to give complete answer.

Meh, they're obviously going to expand the list in the future, and they had to get the big ticket names in there from the current games. I don't doubt we're going to see some more obscure ones in the future.

There are a lot of "big ticket" names that are missing though. Thrall, Grom Hellscream, any Dreadlord, Pit Lord or Eredar, etc.

Right, but if they had taken them instead of the ones they put in, you'd get people asking where Arthas or Uther are. I don't think a Pit Lord is any more influential than Tyrande or Malfurion. Falstad could probably go, though, but I think they just wanted a Griffon Rider.

Like I said, I still have faith in Blizz after all this time, I don't think we'll be wanting for certain characters once the game is fully released.
It's your boy Guzma!
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 17 2014 20:40 GMT
#28814
Lost vikings Erik, Olaf and Baleog those guys need to show up. Honestly blizzard could keep heroes coming out for a long time.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 20:44:11
March 17 2014 20:43 GMT
#28815
On March 18 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:
Right, but if they had taken them instead of the ones they put in, you'd get people asking where Arthas or Uther are. I don't think a Pit Lord is any more influential than Tyrande or Malfurion. Falstad could probably go, though, but I think they just wanted a Griffon Rider.

And Gazlowe? Stitches? Za'Muro? These are more important inclusions than Mannoroth?

Not to mention the inclusion of "generic Barbarian", "generic Witch Doctor" and "generic Demon Hunter" from Diablo 3.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
March 17 2014 20:45 GMT
#28816
Yes, clearly this game in "Technical Alpha" is a letdown.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 17 2014 20:47 GMT
#28817
Stitches is actually a pretty big deal to any old school wow player. That guy was the terror of every alliance character leveling in duskwood for quite a while. Walking down the road when suddenly this highlevel elite mob rounds the bend and faceplants you on his way to mess up your questing hub town. He was later nerfed but the original stitches was the 2nd most terrifying thing to encounter while leveling in Vanilla(next to Rexxar and Misha wandering around Desolace)
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 20:50:15
March 17 2014 20:49 GMT
#28818
Damn Duriel would be so toxic. Charge, slow aura and stun. Baal would be cool.

On March 18 2014 05:47 Parnage wrote:
Stitches is actually a pretty big deal to any old school wow player. That guy was the terror of every alliance character leveling in duskwood for quite a while. Walking down the road when suddenly this highlevel elite mob rounds the bend and faceplants you on his way to mess up your questing hub town. He was later nerfed but the original stitches was the 2nd most terrifying thing to encounter while leveling in Vanilla(next to Rexxar and Misha wandering around Desolace)

Any Alliance player.
I didn't even know he existed.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 17 2014 20:49 GMT
#28819
On March 18 2014 05:43 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 05:37 Requizen wrote:
Right, but if they had taken them instead of the ones they put in, you'd get people asking where Arthas or Uther are. I don't think a Pit Lord is any more influential than Tyrande or Malfurion. Falstad could probably go, though, but I think they just wanted a Griffon Rider.

And Gazlowe? Stitches? Za'Muro? These are more important inclusions than Mannoroth?

Not to mention the inclusion of "generic Barbarian", "generic Witch Doctor" and "generic Demon Hunter" from Diablo 3.

Oh no, I agree on those points, but I don't think it's enough to make a deal about. Like Parnage said, they have enough heroes to have releases for a long time. It's been out for a few days.

And like I said, they probably wanted to put in things from the current games. While Gazlowe is less influential than Mannoroth in the long run, more WoW-only players know Gazlowe (Not to mention that he fills a niche role with his charge beam and turrets, while Mannoroth would likely be very similar to Diablo).

I think you'd have decriers no matter which order they chose to implement some characters, and while you and many here are likely more partial to the old, nostalgic characters that you know as big bad guys/big ol' heroes, you'd get people complaining if they came in before more modern, relevant characters.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 20:52:31
March 17 2014 20:50 GMT
#28820
I'll be honest, the only thing I really want from Heroes is to be able to play as Deckard Cain.

On March 18 2014 05:49 Duvon wrote:
Damn Duriel would be so toxic. Charge, slow aura and stun. Baal would be cool.

Baal's slow/knockback has some interesting interactions when taking into account the ability to deal damage multiple times against CCed targets that can't move out of the way.
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