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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16077 Posts
August 18 2024 17:36 GMT
#1301
On August 19 2024 02:31 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2024 02:29 Captain Peabody wrote:
I think Artosis is right, Clem does actually look like he's playing better than anyone ever has--the speed, execution, precision, and strategy are all just there

Well, there is still TvT that he need to improve upon, but he certainly has become the best TvZ player ever.

he still has worse winrates than Maru against basically every other top Zerg not named Serral
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28529 Posts
August 18 2024 17:37 GMT
#1302
I think the only balance whining should be about Protoss at this point.

We need those nerfs ASAP.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3134 Posts
August 18 2024 17:38 GMT
#1303
On August 19 2024 02:37 Penev wrote:
I think the only balance whining should be about Protoss at this point.

We need those nerfs ASAP.

absolutely it's clear Protoss nerfs are needed. when a Toss makes it into the top 4 we know something is very wrong and this should not be allowed to stand
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3548 Posts
August 18 2024 17:39 GMT
#1304
I still think maru has the better lategame but clem just gets into it in a way better position, like clem is active into transitioning and maru just let serraltake the map.
Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
August 18 2024 17:39 GMT
#1305
Serral forgetting +3 attack! Uhoh!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18303 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-18 17:41:36
August 18 2024 17:40 GMT
#1306
On August 19 2024 02:35 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2024 02:34 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:30 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:26 Sent. wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:25 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:21 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:18 Acrofales wrote:
Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost?

Not this again, Serral is getting outplayed hard

Yes, but what should he have done here? Ghosts seem impossible to deal with when you have Clem level micro.


The good old "kill him before he gets there".

Maybe, and it's fair to just say that Clem is a step ahead of Serral at the moment and there is no counter to Clem. If nobody else is able to do what Clem does with ghosts, then that's fair. But Maru does it to zergs who aren't Serral, so it's fair to say that ghosts are a problem here.

Serral is the only one to destroy Maru regularly with burrowed Infestors and Dark does it to everyone not named Maru, so burrowed Infestors are the problem?

Maybe. They've already gotten nerfed 3 times now, so the zerg cabal seems to think so

Same as Ghosts

Ghosts have mainly gotten their vP abilities nerfed (EMP range, radius). Is Snipe really the problem here? I don't know. But the fact that ghosts can be massed, which just shouldn't be the case for spellcasters, imho. Never should've been the case, and having a few ghosts for EMP and some other spell (anti-bio) should definitely be an addition, but ghosts have a decent attack, can snipe high value targets, and EMP works vs both spellcasters and shields. No wonder they get massed. Try building 30 infestors in your army.

Meanwhile, the fact that ravens are mostly useless in TvZ atm is a real shame.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12467 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1307
On August 19 2024 02:26 Blitzball04 wrote:
Hope they finally nerf ghosts just like how they nerfed the infestor after the tournament

Ghosts really is an embarrassing unit that counter everything Zerg and Protoss throws at them


If they nerf ghosts protoss wins everything I believe

So, carry on
No will to live, no wish to die
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16077 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1308
On August 19 2024 02:40 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2024 02:35 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:34 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:30 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:26 Sent. wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:25 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:21 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:18 Acrofales wrote:
Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost?

Not this again, Serral is getting outplayed hard

Yes, but what should he have done here? Ghosts seem impossible to deal with when you have Clem level micro.


The good old "kill him before he gets there".

Maybe, and it's fair to just say that Clem is a step ahead of Serral at the moment and there is no counter to Clem. If nobody else is able to do what Clem does with ghosts, then that's fair. But Maru does it to zergs who aren't Serral, so it's fair to say that ghosts are a problem here.

Serral is the only one to destroy Maru regularly with burrowed Infestors and Dark does it to everyone not named Maru, so burrowed Infestors are the problem?

Maybe. They've already gotten nerfed 3 times now, so the zerg cabal seems to think so

Same as Ghosts

Ghosts have mainly gotten their vP abilities nerfed (EMP range, radius). Is Snipe really the problem here? I don't know. But the fact that ghosts can be massed, which just shouldn't be the case for spellcasters, imho. Never should've been the case, and having a few ghosts for EMP and some other spell (anti-bio) should definitely be an addition, but ghosts have a decent attack, can snipe high value targets, and EMP works vs both spellcasters and shields. No wonder they get massed. Try building 30 infestors in your army.

Meanwhile, the fact that ravents are mostly useless in TvZ atm is a real shame.

Snipe has been nerfed hard multiple times. Does less damage and units can run away from them
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1309
<3
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3134 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1310
damn
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1311
The first goat candidate to get 5-0d
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3548 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1312
Holy.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8247 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1313
I think Dark would have had a better chance than Serral. Congratulations Clem!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1314
I guess i missed the context. I guess it was "Well, clem has 10 ghosts, time to gg".
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9304 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1315
Unstoppable
You're now breathing manually
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28529 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1316
Holy crap what a demonstration of dominance
I Protoss winner, could it be?
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3433 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1317
Well deserved. Congrats, Clem.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1318
Serral gg'ing early like Dark - totally demoralised
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26971 Posts
August 18 2024 17:43 GMT
#1319
On August 19 2024 02:34 Telephone wrote:
I really wish this tournament would have had more open qualifier spots and less welfare region spots. It sucks not having Bunny or Rogue or DRG or Nightmare, all of whom are probably better than for example Coffee, Showtime, Spirit.

Showtime qualified and beat some decent Koreans en-route. Including Bunny if memory serves

I think he’s broadly on a level with those guys currently, or not far off.

I would have liked some more qualifiers too personally, or just a bigger field in general. Not massively, but perhaps to make it up to more of a round number.

I won’t complain about the format, I swear :p

I think it woulda been cooler to have more slots, and have players fighting it out for prize money from the start.

Also massive congrats to Clem!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3134 Posts
August 18 2024 17:43 GMT
#1320
Serral actually looks upset
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
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