• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:22
CEST 15:22
KST 22:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy2GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding3Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [BSL22] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Loot Boxes—Emotions, And Why…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1822 users

Esports World Cup 2024! - Page 66

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 64 65 66 67 68 75 Next
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
August 18 2024 17:36 GMT
#1301
On August 19 2024 02:31 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2024 02:29 Captain Peabody wrote:
I think Artosis is right, Clem does actually look like he's playing better than anyone ever has--the speed, execution, precision, and strategy are all just there

Well, there is still TvT that he need to improve upon, but he certainly has become the best TvZ player ever.

he still has worse winrates than Maru against basically every other top Zerg not named Serral
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
August 18 2024 17:37 GMT
#1302
I think the only balance whining should be about Protoss at this point.

We need those nerfs ASAP.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3128 Posts
August 18 2024 17:38 GMT
#1303
On August 19 2024 02:37 Penev wrote:
I think the only balance whining should be about Protoss at this point.

We need those nerfs ASAP.

absolutely it's clear Protoss nerfs are needed. when a Toss makes it into the top 4 we know something is very wrong and this should not be allowed to stand
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
August 18 2024 17:39 GMT
#1304
I still think maru has the better lategame but clem just gets into it in a way better position, like clem is active into transitioning and maru just let serraltake the map.
Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States147 Posts
August 18 2024 17:39 GMT
#1305
Serral forgetting +3 attack! Uhoh!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-18 17:41:36
August 18 2024 17:40 GMT
#1306
On August 19 2024 02:35 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2024 02:34 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:30 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:26 Sent. wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:25 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:21 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:18 Acrofales wrote:
Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost?

Not this again, Serral is getting outplayed hard

Yes, but what should he have done here? Ghosts seem impossible to deal with when you have Clem level micro.


The good old "kill him before he gets there".

Maybe, and it's fair to just say that Clem is a step ahead of Serral at the moment and there is no counter to Clem. If nobody else is able to do what Clem does with ghosts, then that's fair. But Maru does it to zergs who aren't Serral, so it's fair to say that ghosts are a problem here.

Serral is the only one to destroy Maru regularly with burrowed Infestors and Dark does it to everyone not named Maru, so burrowed Infestors are the problem?

Maybe. They've already gotten nerfed 3 times now, so the zerg cabal seems to think so

Same as Ghosts

Ghosts have mainly gotten their vP abilities nerfed (EMP range, radius). Is Snipe really the problem here? I don't know. But the fact that ghosts can be massed, which just shouldn't be the case for spellcasters, imho. Never should've been the case, and having a few ghosts for EMP and some other spell (anti-bio) should definitely be an addition, but ghosts have a decent attack, can snipe high value targets, and EMP works vs both spellcasters and shields. No wonder they get massed. Try building 30 infestors in your army.

Meanwhile, the fact that ravens are mostly useless in TvZ atm is a real shame.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12428 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1307
On August 19 2024 02:26 Blitzball04 wrote:
Hope they finally nerf ghosts just like how they nerfed the infestor after the tournament

Ghosts really is an embarrassing unit that counter everything Zerg and Protoss throws at them


If they nerf ghosts protoss wins everything I believe

So, carry on
No will to live, no wish to die
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1308
On August 19 2024 02:40 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2024 02:35 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:34 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:30 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:26 Sent. wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:25 Acrofales wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:21 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 19 2024 02:18 Acrofales wrote:
Is there any late-game zerg unit that isn't countered by ghost?

Not this again, Serral is getting outplayed hard

Yes, but what should he have done here? Ghosts seem impossible to deal with when you have Clem level micro.


The good old "kill him before he gets there".

Maybe, and it's fair to just say that Clem is a step ahead of Serral at the moment and there is no counter to Clem. If nobody else is able to do what Clem does with ghosts, then that's fair. But Maru does it to zergs who aren't Serral, so it's fair to say that ghosts are a problem here.

Serral is the only one to destroy Maru regularly with burrowed Infestors and Dark does it to everyone not named Maru, so burrowed Infestors are the problem?

Maybe. They've already gotten nerfed 3 times now, so the zerg cabal seems to think so

Same as Ghosts

Ghosts have mainly gotten their vP abilities nerfed (EMP range, radius). Is Snipe really the problem here? I don't know. But the fact that ghosts can be massed, which just shouldn't be the case for spellcasters, imho. Never should've been the case, and having a few ghosts for EMP and some other spell (anti-bio) should definitely be an addition, but ghosts have a decent attack, can snipe high value targets, and EMP works vs both spellcasters and shields. No wonder they get massed. Try building 30 infestors in your army.

Meanwhile, the fact that ravents are mostly useless in TvZ atm is a real shame.

Snipe has been nerfed hard multiple times. Does less damage and units can run away from them
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1309
<3
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3128 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1310
damn
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1311
The first goat candidate to get 5-0d
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3541 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1312
Holy.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1313
I think Dark would have had a better chance than Serral. Congratulations Clem!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1314
I guess i missed the context. I guess it was "Well, clem has 10 ghosts, time to gg".
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9290 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1315
Unstoppable
You're now breathing manually
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1316
Holy crap what a demonstration of dominance
I Protoss winner, could it be?
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3429 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1317
Well deserved. Congrats, Clem.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
August 18 2024 17:42 GMT
#1318
Serral gg'ing early like Dark - totally demoralised
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26532 Posts
August 18 2024 17:43 GMT
#1319
On August 19 2024 02:34 Telephone wrote:
I really wish this tournament would have had more open qualifier spots and less welfare region spots. It sucks not having Bunny or Rogue or DRG or Nightmare, all of whom are probably better than for example Coffee, Showtime, Spirit.

Showtime qualified and beat some decent Koreans en-route. Including Bunny if memory serves

I think he’s broadly on a level with those guys currently, or not far off.

I would have liked some more qualifiers too personally, or just a bigger field in general. Not massively, but perhaps to make it up to more of a round number.

I won’t complain about the format, I swear :p

I think it woulda been cooler to have more slots, and have players fighting it out for prize money from the start.

Also massive congrats to Clem!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3128 Posts
August 18 2024 17:43 GMT
#1320
Serral actually looks upset
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Prev 1 64 65 66 67 68 75 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Team League
11:00
Playoffs
RotterdaM732
ComeBackTV 481
WardiTV470
IndyStarCraft 137
Rex102
3DClanTV 44
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 732
Lowko391
IndyStarCraft 137
Rex 102
Codebar 68
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37975
Mini 974
Soma 581
EffOrt 577
Stork 472
actioN 354
ggaemo 183
Soulkey 182
sSak 180
Snow 164
[ Show more ]
Zeus 152
hero 138
Rush 133
Pusan 65
Sharp 58
Hyun 58
Shinee 57
[sc1f]eonzerg 56
Sea.KH 53
ToSsGirL 42
Barracks 41
Free 39
Hm[arnc] 36
scan(afreeca) 28
Nal_rA 26
sorry 26
yabsab 22
Movie 20
soO 18
GoRush 17
Terrorterran 17
Sexy 16
Sacsri 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
Icarus 4
Dota 2
420jenkins119
Counter-Strike
zeus461
edward228
Other Games
Gorgc4670
singsing2266
B2W.Neo989
shoxiejesuss619
hiko555
crisheroes372
DeMusliM275
Mlord245
ArmadaUGS180
XaKoH 142
QueenE64
djWHEAT61
Mew2King47
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 983
Counter-Strike
PGL866
Other Games
BasetradeTV593
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco1434
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1930
• TFBlade788
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
20h 39m
WardiTV Team League
21h 39m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 1h
IPSL
1d 2h
Hawk vs TBD
StRyKeR vs TBD
BSL
1d 5h
n0maD vs perroflaco
TerrOr vs ZZZero
MadiNho vs WolFix
DragOn vs LancerX
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 20h
WardiTV Team League
1d 21h
OSC
1d 23h
BSL
2 days
Sterling vs Azhi_Dahaki
Napoleon vs Mazur
Jimin vs Nesh
spx vs Strudel
IPSL
2 days
Artosis vs TBD
Napoleon vs TBD
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W2
IPSL Spring 2026
Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.