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[GSL 2024] Code S:Season 2 - Finals Day!

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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
June 28 2024 18:29 GMT
#1

GSL Code S


Saturday, Jun 29 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)Global StarCraft II League/2024/Season 2

Streams & Casters


uk SOOP (new AfreecaTV) / AfreecaTV | uk YouTube | English Stream

Format

  • Group Stage 2:
  • Dual Tournament Format.
  • All matches are Bo3.
  • Top 2 players of each group advance to the Playoffs.

      Map Pool



Semi Finals


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(T)Cure vs (Z)Dark

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(P)Creator vs (T)Maru

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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-28 18:44:31
June 28 2024 18:43 GMT
#2
If this really is the final day of GSL then I'm probably gonna cry lol. I've been watching this for nearly all of my adult life. It's been a pleasure LRing with you all.

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33333 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-28 19:34:38
June 28 2024 19:33 GMT
#3
On June 29 2024 03:43 Die4Ever wrote:
If this really is the final day of GSL then I'm probably gonna cry lol. I've been watching this for nearly all of my adult life. It's been a pleasure LRing with you all.

https://youtu.be/O5zGkqAWsWE?si=ICSNzT9jPq6ojclX


It's really annoying that it always exists in this limbo where we never have finality. It would be great for fans to be able to give it a final sendoff. Reminds me of when everyone knew Proleague was ending, but for nonsense reasons no one could 'officially' say it, so they just had to go with a weird somber-toned final broadcast.

Then again, the past few years it seems like it's because there's always been hope that it will be extended, and it indeed was. So here's to hoping again
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19225 Posts
June 29 2024 00:43 GMT
#4
I think we deserve a close finals. I really hope we get a game 7!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1843 Posts
June 29 2024 03:26 GMT
#5
Darn seoul subway made it so I couldn't go, but I hope those who attend in person savor this evenings games.
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 29 2024 04:03 GMT
#6
Maru fighting!
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10324 Posts
June 29 2024 06:15 GMT
#7
Please please give us a night to remember. Creator please don't go out 0-3... at least make it a good 2-3.
But please Creator, if this isn't asking too much... I want to see you go all the way, or at least beat Maru!!!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Kashim
Profile Joined December 2013
Poland1185 Posts
June 29 2024 08:16 GMT
#8
let's go!
SC2 LP Staff, Aligulac Editor, Tournament Organiser and Admin @KashimSC2
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
June 29 2024 08:19 GMT
#9
GoGo Cure! I think Cure will beat Dark 3-1
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
June 29 2024 08:21 GMT
#10
lol Dark
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FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
June 29 2024 08:23 GMT
#11
Greed checked
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
June 29 2024 08:30 GMT
#12
last GSL broadcast and I'm stuck with the youtube border because the soop player doesn't fucking load :/
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
June 29 2024 08:30 GMT
#13
lol Dark
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
June 29 2024 08:31 GMT
#14
On June 29 2024 17:19 Argonauta wrote:
GoGo Cure! I think Cure will beat Dark 3-1



nvm, Cure is being too greedy.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
June 29 2024 08:31 GMT
#15
On June 29 2024 17:30 Charoisaur wrote:
last GSL broadcast and I'm stuck with the youtube border because the soop player doesn't fucking load :/

did you try the old AfreecaTV? that's still running

https://play.afreecatv.com/gslenglish/272452688
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FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
June 29 2024 08:31 GMT
#16
Greed checked again
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
June 29 2024 08:32 GMT
#17
Cure is very weak in TvZ and he never improves,
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
June 29 2024 08:34 GMT
#18
On June 29 2024 17:31 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2024 17:30 Charoisaur wrote:
last GSL broadcast and I'm stuck with the youtube border because the soop player doesn't fucking load :/

did you try the old AfreecaTV? that's still running

https://play.afreecatv.com/gslenglish/272452688

thx is working
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
June 29 2024 08:38 GMT
#19
At least Cure stopped doing quick 3 CCs + 2 Ebays this game
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
June 29 2024 08:45 GMT
#20
On June 29 2024 17:38 FCHK wrote:
At least Cure stopped doing quick 3 CCs + 2 Ebays this game


Actually, what is the purpose of this build order?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4494 Posts
June 29 2024 08:46 GMT
#21
like the tech lab variation of the 8 rax. dark loves his ultras
hi. big fan.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 08:49:29
June 29 2024 08:48 GMT
#22
On June 29 2024 17:45 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2024 17:38 FCHK wrote:
At least Cure stopped doing quick 3 CCs + 2 Ebays this game


Actually, what is the purpose of this build order?

3 Base + 8 Racks timing with 2-2 Bio Upgrade hit like a damn truck, I think thats how Oliveira took down Serral twice in ESL Master.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
June 29 2024 08:57 GMT
#23
stimming into lurkers while 4 tanks are sitting in the back doing nothing
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 09:02:41
June 29 2024 09:02 GMT
#24
8 rax feels so strong right now, even if it doesn't kill, the terran can usually keep playing. Peak Inno would be unbeatable with it
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
June 29 2024 09:06 GMT
#25
this game is so crazy lol
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
June 29 2024 09:06 GMT
#26
cloak vs cloak, no detection lol
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
June 29 2024 09:07 GMT
#27
Dark should've burrowed those drones lol, but I think he still has this
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4494 Posts
June 29 2024 09:08 GMT
#28
Great game
hi. big fan.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
June 29 2024 09:09 GMT
#29
crazy last game, but I think Crue gave up too quickly, there was a draw chance with dark not able to build any fly units with the resources left in Dark's only minig base.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
June 29 2024 09:09 GMT
#30
Everyone forgets EMP
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
June 29 2024 09:09 GMT
#31
ZvT or ZvP finals, fuck yeah

Glad Dark made it to the finals. Really hoping Creator can pull the miracle.
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
June 29 2024 09:10 GMT
#32
On June 29 2024 18:09 FCHK wrote:
Everyone forgets EMP

doesn't reveal burrowed units
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1843 Posts
June 29 2024 09:11 GMT
#33
It seems like Brian Flanagan is correct once again

┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
June 29 2024 09:13 GMT
#34
On June 29 2024 18:09 Argonauta wrote:
crazy last game, but I think Crue gave up too quickly, there was a draw chance with dark not able to build any fly units with the resources left in Dark's only minig base.

Nah, all Dark needed was making Lingbane and crush the left over army from Cure, and he can get enough economy from just 1 base to do that. Cure didnt protect his 3CC was the nail in the coffin.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
June 29 2024 09:20 GMT
#35
On June 29 2024 18:13 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2024 18:09 Argonauta wrote:
crazy last game, but I think Crue gave up too quickly, there was a draw chance with dark not able to build any fly units with the resources left in Dark's only minig base.

Nah, all Dark needed was making Lingbane and crush the left over army from Cure, and he can get enough economy from just 1 base to do that. Cure didnt protect his 3CC was the nail in the coffin.



Probably something like that would have work for Dark, he had the upper hand, but I would not have give up without trying it, If I was on Cure's shoes.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
June 29 2024 09:38 GMT
#36
On June 29 2024 18:10 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2024 18:09 FCHK wrote:
Everyone forgets EMP

doesn't reveal burrowed units

Oh does it not? always look like they do when ghost EMP burrowed infestor
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
June 29 2024 09:42 GMT
#37
On June 29 2024 18:38 FCHK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2024 18:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 29 2024 18:09 FCHK wrote:
Everyone forgets EMP

doesn't reveal burrowed units

Oh does it not? always look like they do when ghost EMP burrowed infestor

EMP still remove the Infestor energy but doesnt reveal them while burrowed.
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1206 Posts
June 29 2024 09:42 GMT
#38
Let's get this one Creator!
~~(,,ºº>
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17664 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 09:46:44
June 29 2024 09:45 GMT
#39
Maru is so mean, I thought Creator was his friend! lol

actually that wasn't too bad
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4494 Posts
June 29 2024 09:51 GMT
#40
I feel like only maxpax and hero have a shot at beating maru at pvt. I want that not to be the case though. Rooting for creator here!
hi. big fan.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
June 29 2024 09:56 GMT
#41
veeery well done by Creator, +2000 minerals a minute is just too good to not try to drag it out.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
June 29 2024 09:57 GMT
#42
On June 29 2024 18:42 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2024 18:38 FCHK wrote:
On June 29 2024 18:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 29 2024 18:09 FCHK wrote:
Everyone forgets EMP

doesn't reveal burrowed units

Oh does it not? always look like they do when ghost EMP burrowed infestor

EMP still remove the Infestor energy but doesnt reveal them while burrowed.

tbf I think I was already playing the game for 5 years or so when I learned EMP doesn't reveal burrowed units was really confused when I EMPed the burrowed Roaches and nothing happened
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
June 29 2024 09:58 GMT
#43
Creator is playing really well. Not sure if it'll be enough, but he looks capable of winning at least
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1206 Posts
June 29 2024 10:16 GMT
#44
Maru is so good at this game man. But a great series between these two!
~~(,,ºº>
Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa276 Posts
June 29 2024 10:32 GMT
#45
Creator fought well, better series than expected.
The time that we kill keeps us alive
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
June 29 2024 10:32 GMT
#46
Maru just too good
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
202 Posts
June 29 2024 10:46 GMT
#47
herO's worst fear is still sOs
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
June 29 2024 10:47 GMT
#48
Be named Dark, be afraid of darkness, Genius.
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1206 Posts
June 29 2024 11:07 GMT
#49
We are GSL!
~~(,,ºº>
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4494 Posts
June 29 2024 11:48 GMT
#50
What a game from Dark, wow.
hi. big fan.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
June 29 2024 11:50 GMT
#51
I think Marus tvz broke.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 12:11:11
June 29 2024 11:54 GMT
#52
Maru rhythm is all F up, he just play some terrible style, similar to Clem/Byun where he try to keep pushing when absolutely doesnt have to. All he needed to do is turtling on 5 base, which is 90% of top Terran would do, instead hes keep trading worse and worse.

The good thing is Maru blind build the Banshee that save him both times against early Roach attack.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
June 29 2024 12:38 GMT
#53
Dark is pretty insane today.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
523 Posts
June 29 2024 12:42 GMT
#54
That was really dumb from Dark.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
June 29 2024 12:51 GMT
#55
what a sick finals! Dark proving Maru mortal for once, GG
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
June 29 2024 12:51 GMT
#56
Dark closing it out in perfect Dark style with that Nydus
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1206 Posts
June 29 2024 12:51 GMT
#57
GGs, congrats to Dark
~~(,,ºº>
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
June 29 2024 12:51 GMT
#58
DAAAAAAAAAAAARK
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
June 29 2024 12:52 GMT
#59
Dark has proven the Dad Power Boost!!!!
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa276 Posts
June 29 2024 12:52 GMT
#60
He actually did it. GG Dark!
The time that we kill keeps us alive
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3453 Posts
June 29 2024 12:52 GMT
#61
Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again
But really happy for him he deserved it, also maru just seems a lil off recently.
Kashim
Profile Joined December 2013
Poland1185 Posts
June 29 2024 12:53 GMT
#62
ggs!
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 29 2024 12:54 GMT
#63
First dad to win a Starcraft 2 tournament?
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
June 29 2024 12:56 GMT
#64
Tears? This finals got it all
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 12:58:15
June 29 2024 12:57 GMT
#65
was never a huge Dark fan in the past but the Dad arc has really won me over lol
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
June 29 2024 12:58 GMT
#66
Congrats Dark!
Hopefully Maru shows up for EWC

And finally people will stop saying it’s just Serral
WriterMaru
lokol4890
Profile Joined May 2023
107 Posts
June 29 2024 13:00 GMT
#67
On June 29 2024 21:58 Poopi wrote:
Congrats Dark!
Hopefully Maru shows up for EWC

And finally people will stop saying it’s just Serral


They didn't stop saying last year even though reynor won g8 and solar gsl. Doubt it will stop now
lokol4890
Profile Joined May 2023
107 Posts
June 29 2024 13:00 GMT
#68
Congrats Dark, well deserved
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
June 29 2024 13:02 GMT
#69
they're implying GSL will in fact continue?
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 13:06:14
June 29 2024 13:05 GMT
#70
On June 29 2024 22:02 Captain Peabody wrote:
they're implying GSL will in fact continue?

Seems up in the air?

If I had to guess it will depend on whether there's another ESWC, how big EPT is, and whether ESL gives GSL a bit of money. Hard to say for sure though. GSL probably doesn't make sense as a standalone tournament anymore (even if it's still one of the best shows in SC2) but hopefully it can last as part of the circuit.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
June 29 2024 13:05 GMT
#71
Maru played half-ass but Dark totally deserve the win.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2969 Posts
June 29 2024 13:10 GMT
#72
On June 29 2024 22:05 tigera6 wrote:
Maru played half-ass but Dark totally deserve the win.

Does seem like Maru's shoulder pain is hindering him enough nowadays. Most of time you see him on camera he's always rubbing his right shoulder/neck region.

Grats to Dark though, he played great.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1577 Posts
June 29 2024 13:10 GMT
#73
i heard they are making a collegiate sc2 league like they did with broodwar.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
June 29 2024 13:49 GMT
#74
GGWP Dark, hopefully this isn’t the last one!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
THERIDDLER
Profile Joined July 2014
Canada116 Posts
June 29 2024 15:13 GMT
#75
Another trophy for scarlett and lambo!
Please don't fricken hack, its just a game.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
June 29 2024 15:28 GMT
#76
On June 30 2024 00:13 THERIDDLER wrote:
Another trophy for scarlett and lambo!

What I miss?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 15:55:58
June 29 2024 15:40 GMT
#77
Is it the first time Dark has beaten Maru in final of Code S? Good series. Two of Dark's wins before came from beating Trap.

So, Dark has three wins in equivalent to Nestea.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
202 Posts
June 29 2024 15:42 GMT
#78
Wow, really wasn't expecting this result. Grats to Dark on a well-played series!
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 15:54:41
June 29 2024 15:50 GMT
#79
State shouldn't worship Serral so much that discrediting the fact how Maru has struggled against Rogue in the final of Code S before. "I didn't see any zerg has beaten Maru before except Serral." That was hilarious statement coming from the supposed GSL caster.

That's why the bias comes because you just want to hype the tournament so much that you unconsciously discredit the performances of the great players in GSL history.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
June 29 2024 16:13 GMT
#80
Well...this is my worst liquibet day in awhile
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
June 29 2024 16:15 GMT
#81
On June 30 2024 00:50 swarminfestor wrote:
State shouldn't worship Serral so much that discrediting the fact how Maru has struggled against Rogue in the final of Code S before. "I didn't see any zerg has beaten Maru before except Serral." That was hilarious statement coming from the supposed GSL caster.

That's why the bias comes because you just want to hype the tournament so much that you unconsciously discredit the performances of the great players in GSL history.

It’s a throwaway line I wouldn’t read that much into it.

Maru’s been largely dunking on Zergs for a couple of years now as long as they’re not Serral, obviously not for the entirety of his career.

Hell he’s dismantled Dark frequently in recent years, I’m glad to be proven wrong but I really didn’t think even Dark had it in him to take out Maru anymore
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
June 29 2024 16:44 GMT
#82
Although having gone back and checked Maru’s dunked less on Dark in recent times than my memory had him doing
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
June 29 2024 17:02 GMT
#83
Dark actually played Maru pretty well in Bo7, its Bo3 and Bo5 where Dark got dunked on pretty hard.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 17:12:51
June 29 2024 17:08 GMT
#84
On June 30 2024 01:44 WombaT wrote:
Although having gone back and checked Maru’s dunked less on Dark in recent times than my memory had him doing


I think Dark has beaten Maru two or three times only in final of any premier tournament (Super Tournament or ESL Pro Tour?) prior to winning his third Code S title today. As far as I remembered, never in the final of Code S or World Championship/WESG tournaments.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
June 29 2024 17:26 GMT
#85
On June 30 2024 02:08 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2024 01:44 WombaT wrote:
Although having gone back and checked Maru’s dunked less on Dark in recent times than my memory had him doing


I think Dark has beaten Maru two or three times only in final of any premier tournament (Super Tournament or ESL Pro Tour?) prior to winning his third Code S title today. As far as I remembered, never in the final of Code S or World Championship/WESG tournaments.

He beat Maru in DH Valencia Grand Final 2 yeas ago. Also beat him in a couple other online tournament Bo7.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
June 29 2024 17:56 GMT
#86
On June 30 2024 00:28 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2024 00:13 THERIDDLER wrote:
Another trophy for scarlett and lambo!

What I miss?

He is saying that Scarlett and Lambo edited the game to favor Zerg. I don’t think Zerg is particularly OP intrinsically nowadays, but they are not weak, and depending on maps they can be strong.

WriterMaru
jack_less
Profile Joined May 2022
77 Posts
June 29 2024 17:59 GMT
#87
On June 29 2024 21:52 darklycid wrote:
Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again.

that makes Dark's performance even more amazing.
GG Dark, shines when others struggled.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 18:02:36
June 29 2024 18:00 GMT
#88
Not quite July on the calendar, but Dark channeling his inner JulyZerg to impress today.

Creator taking out herO and then flopping is about the most Protoss thing ever. Heh.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
June 29 2024 18:02 GMT
#89
On June 30 2024 02:56 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2024 00:28 WombaT wrote:
On June 30 2024 00:13 THERIDDLER wrote:
Another trophy for scarlett and lambo!

What I miss?

He is saying that Scarlett and Lambo edited the game to favor Zerg. I don’t think Zerg is particularly OP intrinsically nowadays, but they are not weak, and depending on maps they can be strong.


Merci for the info
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
June 29 2024 18:25 GMT
#90
On June 30 2024 03:00 Gescom wrote:
Not quite July on the calendar, but Dark channeling his inner JulyZerg to impress today.

Creator taking out herO and then flopping is about the most Protoss thing ever. Heh.

He lost to Maru and played pretty darn well for the most part, so its not that big of shame. Yeah it would be exciting to see Creator making another GSL Final and finally win it, but its just not his day.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10324 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 19:06:16
June 29 2024 19:05 GMT
#91
It's a bit sad if you think of it this way:

Creator got 1st in his Ro8 group, but instead of being rewarded by playing someone like Cure first (who should have gotten out 2nd in his Group if Maru got out 1st as expected), he had to end up fighting Maru Ro4.

And for Cure, for getting out 1st in his Ro8 group, instead of being rewarded by playing someone like Creator (if Creator got out 2nd), he ended up having to face Dark in the Ro4.

Creator and Cure both got the short end of the stick because they both pulled off upsets
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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 22:32:25
June 29 2024 22:32 GMT
#92
On June 30 2024 04:05 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
It's a bit sad if you think of it this way:

Creator got 1st in his Ro8 group, but instead of being rewarded by playing someone like Cure first (who should have gotten out 2nd in his Group if Maru got out 1st as expected), he had to end up fighting Maru Ro4.

And for Cure, for getting out 1st in his Ro8 group, instead of being rewarded by playing someone like Creator (if Creator got out 2nd), he ended up having to face Dark in the Ro4.

Creator and Cure both got the short end of the stick because they both pulled off upsets

Meh. If you want to win, then win. Having an easier semis to get bopped in the finals isn't exciting, especially in this dual Semis+Finals format. Just win. And that's exactly what Dark did today. A surgical clinic!
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Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
June 30 2024 00:17 GMT
#93
Glad to see someone other than Maru could take the trophy this time. And glad for Dark -- the tears were real.
For Aiur???
Husyelt
Profile Joined May 2020
United States829 Posts
June 30 2024 00:33 GMT
#94
just wanted to hop in here to say how incredible the visuals and production is for the GSL. i actually stayed and watched all the intros despite it being on YT (i usually skip to the games right away if its a tourney i dont watch live)
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
June 30 2024 11:03 GMT
#95
Dark winning the low stakes finals against Maru as usual
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
June 30 2024 14:59 GMT
#96
If this is the end, it’s been a pleasure all.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria907 Posts
June 30 2024 15:13 GMT
#97
On June 29 2024 21:52 darklycid wrote:
Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again
But really happy for him he deserved it, also maru just seems a lil off recently.


I love how people act like Maru is doing poorly.

He has made the finals of like every major tournament and just won his 8th GSL the one prior to this. That’s consistency any player other than Serral would kill for.
Livin' this life like it was written.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-30 17:47:54
June 30 2024 17:45 GMT
#98
On July 01 2024 00:13 onPHYRE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2024 21:52 darklycid wrote:
Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again
But really happy for him he deserved it, also maru just seems a lil off recently.


I love how people act like Maru is doing poorly.

He has made the finals of like every major tournament and just won his 8th GSL the one prior to this. That’s consistency any player other than Serral would kill for.

It’s expected for Serral and Maru who are so dominant over their peers, to simply win everything, and anything else is a disappointment

I didn’t get to see every game in the finals due to connection issues, but I watched most of Maru’s series this GSL including the semi vs Creator, and he seemed pretty on point
Dark isn’t a random Zerg, he has consistently been in the top 3-4 (or better) Zerg in the entirety of LotV
WriterMaru
bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary385 Posts
June 30 2024 18:06 GMT
#99
the father buff is real
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
June 30 2024 18:58 GMT
#100
On June 30 2024 23:59 TheDougler wrote:
If this is the end, it’s been a pleasure all.

This 1000%, been many a good time getting the GSL on, the popcorn out and loading up those LR threads over the years!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 30 2024 20:57 GMT
#101
On June 30 2024 23:59 TheDougler wrote:
If this is the end, it’s been a pleasure all.


It really has
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Blitzball04
Profile Joined June 2024
191 Posts
June 30 2024 21:18 GMT
#102
On June 29 2024 21:52 darklycid wrote:
Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again
But really happy for him he deserved it, also maru just seems a lil off recently.


Terran defintely are the heavy favourites in this patch/ map pool let’s not hide that fact

It’s just makes dark win more impressive as the huge underdog.

But this is probably cause daddy dark > bachelor dark
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
July 01 2024 03:30 GMT
#103
Terran just have many more "great" tier players comparing to Zerg, but Zerg is still having more players at "god" tier in most global events. So the overall % is Terran favored, but they are not winning at the very end of any tournament only a top Terran playing out of his mind in TvZ like Clem did in ESL Winter.

Just watching at the games, I feel that Zerg at the moment can have so many opportunity to either drag the game into lategame, or just commit an all-in push at any timing and end it. Top level Zerg can sniff out any Terran builds from miles away and get the right preparation for it, making sure they are always ahead enough. Meanwhile Terran might have absolutely no clue whats coming until they got hit at the door. I feel that Terran should have an empty medivac with boost ready just to scout the Zerg base, or make a Raven to clean creep and use the Scan on the Zerg base, just so they can react to it correctly.

And for Maru case, hes just too yolo for no reason against Dark, like he doesnt think he can win against the Zerg who commit to Roach Ravager early game and had to win the game there. While he can totally transition into Ghost and Mech lategame, and just turtle on 5 base until hit max. Multiple times I felt that he should just pull back and set up the defense while teching up, but he keep send Tanks and Marines to fight into more Roach and Ravager.
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1068 Posts
July 01 2024 05:59 GMT
#104
On July 01 2024 12:30 tigera6 wrote:
Terran just have many more "great" tier players comparing to Zerg, but Zerg is still having more players at "god" tier in most global events. So the overall % is Terran favored, but they are not winning at the very end of any tournament only a top Terran playing out of his mind in TvZ like Clem did in ESL Winter.

Just watching at the games, I feel that Zerg at the moment can have so many opportunity to either drag the game into lategame, or just commit an all-in push at any timing and end it. Top level Zerg can sniff out any Terran builds from miles away and get the right preparation for it, making sure they are always ahead enough. Meanwhile Terran might have absolutely no clue whats coming until they got hit at the door. I feel that Terran should have an empty medivac with boost ready just to scout the Zerg base, or make a Raven to clean creep and use the Scan on the Zerg base, just so they can react to it correctly.

And for Maru case, hes just too yolo for no reason against Dark, like he doesnt think he can win against the Zerg who commit to Roach Ravager early game and had to win the game there. While he can totally transition into Ghost and Mech lategame, and just turtle on 5 base until hit max. Multiple times I felt that he should just pull back and set up the defense while teching up, but he keep send Tanks and Marines to fight into more Roach and Ravager.


what's the scan going to see? a roach warren? and then what? what if zerg just builds a roach warren (very small cost) and decides not to pump roaches for a timing? any reaction that terran makes is bad unless you actually see what units are hatching from the eggs. zerg is able to shift gears very easily and counter whatever reactionary play the terran is doing. zerg is the reactionary race. terran is the timing attack race. that's why Maru tries to gain momentum with ill-advised pushes
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6869 Posts
July 01 2024 12:36 GMT
#105
Congratz Dark!

Sidenote: In game 4 Maru has 92!!!!! workers before the attack from Dark. Dark kills 59 workers and Maru still has 41 left. This means he basically had full SCV production all throughout the engagement.
Crazy numbers
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allmotor1
Profile Joined December 2017
152 Posts
July 01 2024 13:26 GMT
#106
Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style.

When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6869 Posts
July 01 2024 13:47 GMT
#107
Yeah Dark really took "just play like Serral" serious :D
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-01 14:16:02
July 01 2024 14:14 GMT
#108
On July 01 2024 22:26 allmotor1 wrote:
Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style.

When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts?

Funnily enough a few years ago Clem did much worse against Rogue/Dark than Serral/Reynor because the latter rarely built roaches and Clem kept attacking unnecessarily into roaches.

I don't think Maru necessarily has a problem with roaches though - iirc in the last Maru-Dark Code S finals Maru put on a masterclass at fighting roaches. Plus, one of Dark's wins was with ling bane and another was with a queen ling dropalord all-in. Game 2 also should have been a Maru win, his early game against roaches was amazing, Dark just did Dark things and sometimes did a bunch of damage with roach hydra against a superior Terran position.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
July 01 2024 15:01 GMT
#109
On July 01 2024 23:14 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2024 22:26 allmotor1 wrote:
Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style.

When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts?

Funnily enough a few years ago Clem did much worse against Rogue/Dark than Serral/Reynor because the latter rarely built roaches and Clem kept attacking unnecessarily into roaches.

I don't think Maru necessarily has a problem with roaches though - iirc in the last Maru-Dark Code S finals Maru put on a masterclass at fighting roaches. Plus, one of Dark's wins was with ling bane and another was with a queen ling dropalord all-in. Game 2 also should have been a Maru win, his early game against roaches was amazing, Dark just did Dark things and sometimes did a bunch of damage with roach hydra against a superior Terran position.

Maru problem isnt with Roach, its his lack of awareness of the situation at times. There was no reason for him to keep pushing into a Zerg defensive position of Roach/Ravager with just Tanks and Marines. In the game 2, he could have pulled back after the initial trade, and just stay defensive on 5 bases and slowly getting out Marauder/Libs/Ghost. His early defense against initial Roach attack was pretty great and didnt die like Cure, but he keep pressing on the gas after that.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12779 Posts
July 01 2024 15:06 GMT
#110
On July 02 2024 00:01 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2024 23:14 dysenterymd wrote:
On July 01 2024 22:26 allmotor1 wrote:
Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style.

When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts?

Funnily enough a few years ago Clem did much worse against Rogue/Dark than Serral/Reynor because the latter rarely built roaches and Clem kept attacking unnecessarily into roaches.

I don't think Maru necessarily has a problem with roaches though - iirc in the last Maru-Dark Code S finals Maru put on a masterclass at fighting roaches. Plus, one of Dark's wins was with ling bane and another was with a queen ling dropalord all-in. Game 2 also should have been a Maru win, his early game against roaches was amazing, Dark just did Dark things and sometimes did a bunch of damage with roach hydra against a superior Terran position.

Maru problem isnt with Roach, its his lack of awareness of the situation at times. There was no reason for him to keep pushing into a Zerg defensive position of Roach/Ravager with just Tanks and Marines. In the game 2, he could have pulled back after the initial trade, and just stay defensive on 5 bases and slowly getting out Marauder/Libs/Ghost. His early defense against initial Roach attack was pretty great and didnt die like Cure, but he keep pressing on the gas after that.

I mean we don't have any clue about the mindgames between the players, form of the day, what went into his mind. It's quite easy to look at the game from obs PoV + dezoom / production and stuff and analyze a posteriori.
And I think people often underestimate Dark's power, he is an incredibly tricky opponent to play against
WriterMaru
allmotor1
Profile Joined December 2017
152 Posts
July 01 2024 16:34 GMT
#111
On July 02 2024 00:06 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2024 00:01 tigera6 wrote:
On July 01 2024 23:14 dysenterymd wrote:
On July 01 2024 22:26 allmotor1 wrote:
Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style.

When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts?

Funnily enough a few years ago Clem did much worse against Rogue/Dark than Serral/Reynor because the latter rarely built roaches and Clem kept attacking unnecessarily into roaches.

I don't think Maru necessarily has a problem with roaches though - iirc in the last Maru-Dark Code S finals Maru put on a masterclass at fighting roaches. Plus, one of Dark's wins was with ling bane and another was with a queen ling dropalord all-in. Game 2 also should have been a Maru win, his early game against roaches was amazing, Dark just did Dark things and sometimes did a bunch of damage with roach hydra against a superior Terran position.

Maru problem isnt with Roach, its his lack of awareness of the situation at times. There was no reason for him to keep pushing into a Zerg defensive position of Roach/Ravager with just Tanks and Marines. In the game 2, he could have pulled back after the initial trade, and just stay defensive on 5 bases and slowly getting out Marauder/Libs/Ghost. His early defense against initial Roach attack was pretty great and didnt die like Cure, but he keep pressing on the gas after that.

I mean we don't have any clue about the mindgames between the players, form of the day, what went into his mind. It's quite easy to look at the game from obs PoV + dezoom / production and stuff and analyze a posteriori.
And I think people often underestimate Dark's power, he is an incredibly tricky opponent to play against



I never write off Dark, to me that's crazy if people do. Dark is just amazing and he's so chaotic I love it.

I would say of all the top zergs, Serral would be the cleanest zerg, very formulaic, hard to get him off the tracks, but his opposite would be Dark. Just so chaotic and fun to watch.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
July 01 2024 16:46 GMT
#112
Serral is also very chaotic and creative these days, but he did those move with a calculated goal, while Dark just live and die by making everything chaotic.


I mean we don't have any clue about the mindgames between the players, form of the day, what went into his mind. It's quite easy to look at the game from obs PoV + dezoom / production and stuff and analyze a posteriori.
And I think people often underestimate Dark's power, he is an incredibly tricky opponent to play against

I have seen Maru done much better from the same situation previously, thats why I am extra harsh on him like this. While its true there are lots of thing that we viewers cant appreciate, its still pretty damn frustrating to watch the guy who is known as the best defensive Terran refuse to play safe and just yolo on his opponent defense. Remind
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
687 Posts
July 01 2024 17:12 GMT
#113
Dark is a player who thrives in messy games. His MO is basically: get behind (either with a bad allin or with a bad early game) and then gamble and make the game messy. His gambling is either an overcommitted counterattack or a random yolo attack.

This almost never works vs Maru when Maru's in the right head space, since Maru usually has a very patient midgame, confident in his late game, and he's happy giving up as much map control as needed to get to late game. But this series, Maru kept overcommitting on trying to get incremental damage and pinning the Zerg, which get hard punished by Dark's full-send attacks. It's a weird departure for Maru, especially since it seems like it's the only way he ever loses. Maybe he drilled a lot of mid game after his back-to-back series vs Serral, and was very confident in his mid game?

It's weird for sure, but Dark got to play his game over and over this series haha
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2218 Posts
July 03 2024 08:19 GMT
#114
Is there no more GSL this year? is this confirmed?
Also, any news on what 2025 might bring?
Cogito, ergo Toss
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
July 03 2024 08:41 GMT
#115
I think GSL or ESL KR will have to wait until after EWC to see what their plan for next EPT season.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
July 03 2024 17:53 GMT
#116
On July 03 2024 17:41 tigera6 wrote:
I think GSL or ESL KR will have to wait until after EWC to see what their plan for next EPT season.

I smell a worst case scenario where GSL goes to the wall when even a fraction of the EWC money would have kept it going another while. Then for EWC to drop SC2 once its purpose to give this new event some old school legitimacy was served

But then I am very much a glass half empty kinda lad
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4721 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-03 21:47:26
July 03 2024 21:46 GMT
#117
On July 01 2024 12:30 tigera6 wrote:
Terran just have many more "great" tier players comparing to Zerg, but Zerg is still having more players at "god" tier in most global events. So the overall % is Terran favored, but they are not winning at the very end of any tournament only a top Terran playing out of his mind in TvZ like Clem did in ESL Winter.

Just watching at the games, I feel that Zerg at the moment can have so many opportunity to either drag the game into lategame, or just commit an all-in push at any timing and end it. Top level Zerg can sniff out any Terran builds from miles away and get the right preparation for it, making sure they are always ahead enough. Meanwhile Terran might have absolutely no clue whats coming until they got hit at the door. I feel that Terran should have an empty medivac with boost ready just to scout the Zerg base, or make a Raven to clean creep and use the Scan on the Zerg base, just so they can react to it correctly.

And for Maru case, hes just too yolo for no reason against Dark, like he doesnt think he can win against the Zerg who commit to Roach Ravager early game and had to win the game there. While he can totally transition into Ghost and Mech lategame, and just turtle on 5 base until hit max. Multiple times I felt that he should just pull back and set up the defense while teching up, but he keep send Tanks and Marines to fight into more Roach and Ravager.


I think throughout the years I have read a version of the post above a few hunderd times from as many people. The arguments are always the same and very often also appear in the same order:

1. Race X is just stronger at the top, because of Y. The statistics don't show this because of Z.
2. Obviously, player A from race B has to play godlike to even stand a chance.
(This argument is made, despite the fact that, in this case, Maru won 3 out of the last 4 GSLs)
3. Player X, who has won a lot of GSLs and a lot of Premier events, just played so stupid. How could he be so stupid? If he would have just trusted himself or done Y or Z on map A or B, he would have won.

Fundamentally, I believe people do not realize how slim the margins are on the very top in sports or games. Roger Federer just mentioned in his speech at some university that he won 80+ percent of his games, but only 54% of all points he played. The best or second best player of all time won 54% of points during his career.

I think we all gravitate naturally towards viewing the games from the point of view of one player and not the other. Paired with complete vision of the map, we lose sight of what is really going on a lot of the time.

What was going on this time was probably that Dark was the better player on that day.
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3339 Posts
July 04 2024 03:45 GMT
#118
I think you mis-understand my point, Zerg has their advantage in term of early scouting and build choice, but it still requires the players to actually execute it and out play their opponent. Its not a complain about Zerg being OP, its about why the hell Terran players are soo greedy in early game without any safety measure (Cure match) and then went sudden yolo in mid-game against defensive Roach (Maru match). In short, both of them somehow didnt play well imo, but Dark deserve the win totally.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6869 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-04 07:44:37
July 04 2024 07:44 GMT
#119
On July 04 2024 02:53 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2024 17:41 tigera6 wrote:
I think GSL or ESL KR will have to wait until after EWC to see what their plan for next EPT season.

I smell a worst case scenario where GSL goes to the wall when even a fraction of the EWC money would have kept it going another while. Then for EWC to drop SC2 once its purpose to give this new event some old school legitimacy was served

But then I am very much a glass half empty kinda lad


And why wouldn't they? Seems reasonable from a marketing PoV

I still have hope for another year of ESL, but not for GSL
GSL will get mixed into ESL Asia/ Korea as an online qualifier for ESL Masters. If we are lucky we get two Masters + IEM + EWC for next season
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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