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Die4Ever
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Waxangel
United States33333 Posts
On June 29 2024 03:43 Die4Ever wrote: If this really is the final day of GSL then I'm probably gonna cry lol. I've been watching this for nearly all of my adult life. It's been a pleasure LRing with you all. https://youtu.be/O5zGkqAWsWE?si=ICSNzT9jPq6ojclX It's really annoying that it always exists in this limbo where we never have finality. It would be great for fans to be able to give it a final sendoff. Reminds me of when everyone knew Proleague was ending, but for nonsense reasons no one could 'officially' say it, so they just had to go with a weird somber-toned final broadcast. Then again, the past few years it seems like it's because there's always been hope that it will be extended, and it indeed was. So here's to hoping again ![]() | ||
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BisuDagger
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Mizenhauer
United States1843 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10324 Posts
But please Creator, if this isn't asking too much... I want to see you go all the way, or at least beat Maru!!! | ||
Kashim
Poland1185 Posts
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Argonauta
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Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
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FCHK
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On June 29 2024 17:19 Argonauta wrote: GoGo Cure! I think Cure will beat Dark 3-1 nvm, Cure is being too greedy. | ||
Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
On June 29 2024 17:30 Charoisaur wrote: last GSL broadcast and I'm stuck with the youtube border because the soop player doesn't fucking load :/ did you try the old AfreecaTV? that's still running https://play.afreecatv.com/gslenglish/272452688 | ||
FCHK
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
On June 29 2024 17:31 Die4Ever wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2024 17:30 Charoisaur wrote: last GSL broadcast and I'm stuck with the youtube border because the soop player doesn't fucking load :/ did you try the old AfreecaTV? that's still running https://play.afreecatv.com/gslenglish/272452688 thx is working | ||
FCHK
202 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On June 29 2024 17:38 FCHK wrote: At least Cure stopped doing quick 3 CCs + 2 Ebays this game Actually, what is the purpose of this build order? | ||
FataLe
New Zealand4494 Posts
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tigera6
3339 Posts
On June 29 2024 17:45 swarminfestor wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2024 17:38 FCHK wrote: At least Cure stopped doing quick 3 CCs + 2 Ebays this game Actually, what is the purpose of this build order? 3 Base + 8 Racks timing with 2-2 Bio Upgrade hit like a damn truck, I think thats how Oliveira took down Serral twice in ESL Master. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4494 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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FCHK
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
Glad Dark made it to the finals. Really hoping Creator can pull the miracle. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
On June 29 2024 18:09 FCHK wrote: Everyone forgets EMP doesn't reveal burrowed units | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1843 Posts
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tigera6
3339 Posts
On June 29 2024 18:09 Argonauta wrote: crazy last game, but I think Crue gave up too quickly, there was a draw chance with dark not able to build any fly units with the resources left in Dark's only minig base. Nah, all Dark needed was making Lingbane and crush the left over army from Cure, and he can get enough economy from just 1 base to do that. Cure didnt protect his 3CC was the nail in the coffin. | ||
Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On June 29 2024 18:13 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2024 18:09 Argonauta wrote: crazy last game, but I think Crue gave up too quickly, there was a draw chance with dark not able to build any fly units with the resources left in Dark's only minig base. Nah, all Dark needed was making Lingbane and crush the left over army from Cure, and he can get enough economy from just 1 base to do that. Cure didnt protect his 3CC was the nail in the coffin. Probably something like that would have work for Dark, he had the upper hand, but I would not have give up without trying it, If I was on Cure's shoes. | ||
FCHK
202 Posts
On June 29 2024 18:10 Charoisaur wrote: doesn't reveal burrowed units Oh does it not? always look like they do when ghost EMP burrowed infestor | ||
tigera6
3339 Posts
On June 29 2024 18:38 FCHK wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2024 18:10 Charoisaur wrote: On June 29 2024 18:09 FCHK wrote: Everyone forgets EMP doesn't reveal burrowed units Oh does it not? always look like they do when ghost EMP burrowed infestor EMP still remove the Infestor energy but doesnt reveal them while burrowed. | ||
-KG-
Denmark1206 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17664 Posts
actually that wasn't too bad | ||
FataLe
New Zealand4494 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15914 Posts
On June 29 2024 18:42 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2024 18:38 FCHK wrote: On June 29 2024 18:10 Charoisaur wrote: On June 29 2024 18:09 FCHK wrote: Everyone forgets EMP doesn't reveal burrowed units Oh does it not? always look like they do when ghost EMP burrowed infestor EMP still remove the Infestor energy but doesnt reveal them while burrowed. tbf I think I was already playing the game for 5 years or so when I learned EMP doesn't reveal burrowed units ![]() | ||
dysenterymd
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-KG-
Denmark1206 Posts
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Ciaus237
South Africa276 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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darklycid
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Denmark1206 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4494 Posts
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darklycid
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tigera6
3339 Posts
The good thing is Maru blind build the Banshee that save him both times against early Roach attack. | ||
Elentos
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HeroSandro
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1206 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
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Ciaus237
South Africa276 Posts
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darklycid
3453 Posts
![]() But really happy for him he deserved it, also maru just seems a lil off recently. | ||
Kashim
Poland1185 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
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Poopi
France12779 Posts
Hopefully Maru shows up for EWC And finally people will stop saying it’s just Serral | ||
lokol4890
107 Posts
On June 29 2024 21:58 Poopi wrote: Congrats Dark! Hopefully Maru shows up for EWC And finally people will stop saying it’s just Serral They didn't stop saying last year even though reynor won g8 and solar gsl. Doubt it will stop now | ||
lokol4890
107 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
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dysenterymd
1197 Posts
On June 29 2024 22:02 Captain Peabody wrote: they're implying GSL will in fact continue? Seems up in the air? If I had to guess it will depend on whether there's another ESWC, how big EPT is, and whether ESL gives GSL a bit of money. Hard to say for sure though. GSL probably doesn't make sense as a standalone tournament anymore (even if it's still one of the best shows in SC2) but hopefully it can last as part of the circuit. | ||
tigera6
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On June 29 2024 22:05 tigera6 wrote: Maru played half-ass but Dark totally deserve the win. Does seem like Maru's shoulder pain is hindering him enough nowadays. Most of time you see him on camera he's always rubbing his right shoulder/neck region. Grats to Dark though, he played great. | ||
CicadaSC
United States1577 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
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THERIDDLER
Canada116 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
On June 30 2024 00:13 THERIDDLER wrote: Another trophy for scarlett and lambo! What I miss? | ||
swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
So, Dark has three wins in equivalent to Nestea. | ||
Glorfindelio
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
That's why the bias comes because you just want to hype the tournament so much that you unconsciously discredit the performances of the great players in GSL history. | ||
Cricketer12
United States13972 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
On June 30 2024 00:50 swarminfestor wrote: State shouldn't worship Serral so much that discrediting the fact how Maru has struggled against Rogue in the final of Code S before. "I didn't see any zerg has beaten Maru before except Serral." That was hilarious statement coming from the supposed GSL caster. That's why the bias comes because you just want to hype the tournament so much that you unconsciously discredit the performances of the great players in GSL history. It’s a throwaway line I wouldn’t read that much into it. Maru’s been largely dunking on Zergs for a couple of years now as long as they’re not Serral, obviously not for the entirety of his career. Hell he’s dismantled Dark frequently in recent years, I’m glad to be proven wrong but I really didn’t think even Dark had it in him to take out Maru anymore | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On June 30 2024 01:44 WombaT wrote: Although having gone back and checked Maru’s dunked less on Dark in recent times than my memory had him doing I think Dark has beaten Maru two or three times only in final of any premier tournament (Super Tournament or ESL Pro Tour?) prior to winning his third Code S title today. As far as I remembered, never in the final of Code S or World Championship/WESG tournaments. | ||
tigera6
3339 Posts
On June 30 2024 02:08 swarminfestor wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2024 01:44 WombaT wrote: Although having gone back and checked Maru’s dunked less on Dark in recent times than my memory had him doing I think Dark has beaten Maru two or three times only in final of any premier tournament (Super Tournament or ESL Pro Tour?) prior to winning his third Code S title today. As far as I remembered, never in the final of Code S or World Championship/WESG tournaments. He beat Maru in DH Valencia Grand Final 2 yeas ago. Also beat him in a couple other online tournament Bo7. | ||
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Poopi
France12779 Posts
On June 30 2024 00:28 WombaT wrote: What I miss? He is saying that Scarlett and Lambo edited the game to favor Zerg. I don’t think Zerg is particularly OP intrinsically nowadays, but they are not weak, and depending on maps they can be strong. | ||
jack_less
77 Posts
On June 29 2024 21:52 darklycid wrote: Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again. that makes Dark's performance even more amazing. GG Dark, shines when others struggled. | ||
Gescom
Canada3367 Posts
![]() Creator taking out herO and then flopping is about the most Protoss thing ever. Heh. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
On June 30 2024 02:56 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2024 00:28 WombaT wrote: On June 30 2024 00:13 THERIDDLER wrote: Another trophy for scarlett and lambo! What I miss? He is saying that Scarlett and Lambo edited the game to favor Zerg. I don’t think Zerg is particularly OP intrinsically nowadays, but they are not weak, and depending on maps they can be strong. Merci for the info | ||
tigera6
3339 Posts
On June 30 2024 03:00 Gescom wrote: Not quite July on the calendar, but Dark channeling his inner JulyZerg to impress today. ![]() Creator taking out herO and then flopping is about the most Protoss thing ever. Heh. He lost to Maru and played pretty darn well for the most part, so its not that big of shame. Yeah it would be exciting to see Creator making another GSL Final and finally win it, but its just not his day. | ||
Yoshi Kirishima
United States10324 Posts
Creator got 1st in his Ro8 group, but instead of being rewarded by playing someone like Cure first (who should have gotten out 2nd in his Group if Maru got out 1st as expected), he had to end up fighting Maru Ro4. And for Cure, for getting out 1st in his Ro8 group, instead of being rewarded by playing someone like Creator (if Creator got out 2nd), he ended up having to face Dark in the Ro4. Creator and Cure both got the short end of the stick because they both pulled off upsets ![]() | ||
Gescom
Canada3367 Posts
On June 30 2024 04:05 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: It's a bit sad if you think of it this way: Creator got 1st in his Ro8 group, but instead of being rewarded by playing someone like Cure first (who should have gotten out 2nd in his Group if Maru got out 1st as expected), he had to end up fighting Maru Ro4. And for Cure, for getting out 1st in his Ro8 group, instead of being rewarded by playing someone like Creator (if Creator got out 2nd), he ended up having to face Dark in the Ro4. Creator and Cure both got the short end of the stick because they both pulled off upsets ![]() Meh. If you want to win, then win. Having an easier semis to get bopped in the finals isn't exciting, especially in this dual Semis+Finals format. Just win. And that's exactly what Dark did today. A surgical clinic! | ||
Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
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Husyelt
United States829 Posts
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Durnuu
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria907 Posts
On June 29 2024 21:52 darklycid wrote: Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again ![]() But really happy for him he deserved it, also maru just seems a lil off recently. I love how people act like Maru is doing poorly. He has made the finals of like every major tournament and just won his 8th GSL the one prior to this. That’s consistency any player other than Serral would kill for. | ||
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Poopi
France12779 Posts
On July 01 2024 00:13 onPHYRE wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2024 21:52 darklycid wrote: Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again ![]() But really happy for him he deserved it, also maru just seems a lil off recently. I love how people act like Maru is doing poorly. He has made the finals of like every major tournament and just won his 8th GSL the one prior to this. That’s consistency any player other than Serral would kill for. It’s expected for Serral and Maru who are so dominant over their peers, to simply win everything, and anything else is a disappointment I didn’t get to see every game in the finals due to connection issues, but I watched most of Maru’s series this GSL including the semi vs Creator, and he seemed pretty on point Dark isn’t a random Zerg, he has consistently been in the top 3-4 (or better) Zerg in the entirety of LotV | ||
bela.mervado
Hungary385 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
On June 30 2024 23:59 TheDougler wrote: If this is the end, it’s been a pleasure all. This 1000%, been many a good time getting the GSL on, the popcorn out and loading up those LR threads over the years! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On June 30 2024 23:59 TheDougler wrote: If this is the end, it’s been a pleasure all. It really has ![]() | ||
Blitzball04
191 Posts
On June 29 2024 21:52 darklycid wrote: Kinda funny that in the period of zergs telling us they are so so weak dark wins a gsl again ![]() But really happy for him he deserved it, also maru just seems a lil off recently. Terran defintely are the heavy favourites in this patch/ map pool let’s not hide that fact It’s just makes dark win more impressive as the huge underdog. But this is probably cause daddy dark > bachelor dark | ||
tigera6
3339 Posts
Just watching at the games, I feel that Zerg at the moment can have so many opportunity to either drag the game into lategame, or just commit an all-in push at any timing and end it. Top level Zerg can sniff out any Terran builds from miles away and get the right preparation for it, making sure they are always ahead enough. Meanwhile Terran might have absolutely no clue whats coming until they got hit at the door. I feel that Terran should have an empty medivac with boost ready just to scout the Zerg base, or make a Raven to clean creep and use the Scan on the Zerg base, just so they can react to it correctly. And for Maru case, hes just too yolo for no reason against Dark, like he doesnt think he can win against the Zerg who commit to Roach Ravager early game and had to win the game there. While he can totally transition into Ghost and Mech lategame, and just turtle on 5 base until hit max. Multiple times I felt that he should just pull back and set up the defense while teching up, but he keep send Tanks and Marines to fight into more Roach and Ravager. | ||
SHODAN
United Kingdom1068 Posts
On July 01 2024 12:30 tigera6 wrote: Terran just have many more "great" tier players comparing to Zerg, but Zerg is still having more players at "god" tier in most global events. So the overall % is Terran favored, but they are not winning at the very end of any tournament only a top Terran playing out of his mind in TvZ like Clem did in ESL Winter. Just watching at the games, I feel that Zerg at the moment can have so many opportunity to either drag the game into lategame, or just commit an all-in push at any timing and end it. Top level Zerg can sniff out any Terran builds from miles away and get the right preparation for it, making sure they are always ahead enough. Meanwhile Terran might have absolutely no clue whats coming until they got hit at the door. I feel that Terran should have an empty medivac with boost ready just to scout the Zerg base, or make a Raven to clean creep and use the Scan on the Zerg base, just so they can react to it correctly. And for Maru case, hes just too yolo for no reason against Dark, like he doesnt think he can win against the Zerg who commit to Roach Ravager early game and had to win the game there. While he can totally transition into Ghost and Mech lategame, and just turtle on 5 base until hit max. Multiple times I felt that he should just pull back and set up the defense while teching up, but he keep send Tanks and Marines to fight into more Roach and Ravager. what's the scan going to see? a roach warren? and then what? what if zerg just builds a roach warren (very small cost) and decides not to pump roaches for a timing? any reaction that terran makes is bad unless you actually see what units are hatching from the eggs. zerg is able to shift gears very easily and counter whatever reactionary play the terran is doing. zerg is the reactionary race. terran is the timing attack race. that's why Maru tries to gain momentum with ill-advised pushes | ||
Harris1st
Germany6869 Posts
Sidenote: In game 4 Maru has 92!!!!! workers before the attack from Dark. Dark kills 59 workers and Maru still has 41 left. This means he basically had full SCV production all throughout the engagement. Crazy numbers | ||
allmotor1
152 Posts
When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts? | ||
Harris1st
Germany6869 Posts
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dysenterymd
1197 Posts
On July 01 2024 22:26 allmotor1 wrote: Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style. When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts? Funnily enough a few years ago Clem did much worse against Rogue/Dark than Serral/Reynor because the latter rarely built roaches and Clem kept attacking unnecessarily into roaches. I don't think Maru necessarily has a problem with roaches though - iirc in the last Maru-Dark Code S finals Maru put on a masterclass at fighting roaches. Plus, one of Dark's wins was with ling bane and another was with a queen ling dropalord all-in. Game 2 also should have been a Maru win, his early game against roaches was amazing, Dark just did Dark things and sometimes did a bunch of damage with roach hydra against a superior Terran position. | ||
tigera6
3339 Posts
On July 01 2024 23:14 dysenterymd wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2024 22:26 allmotor1 wrote: Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style. When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts? Funnily enough a few years ago Clem did much worse against Rogue/Dark than Serral/Reynor because the latter rarely built roaches and Clem kept attacking unnecessarily into roaches. I don't think Maru necessarily has a problem with roaches though - iirc in the last Maru-Dark Code S finals Maru put on a masterclass at fighting roaches. Plus, one of Dark's wins was with ling bane and another was with a queen ling dropalord all-in. Game 2 also should have been a Maru win, his early game against roaches was amazing, Dark just did Dark things and sometimes did a bunch of damage with roach hydra against a superior Terran position. Maru problem isnt with Roach, its his lack of awareness of the situation at times. There was no reason for him to keep pushing into a Zerg defensive position of Roach/Ravager with just Tanks and Marines. In the game 2, he could have pulled back after the initial trade, and just stay defensive on 5 bases and slowly getting out Marauder/Libs/Ghost. His early defense against initial Roach attack was pretty great and didnt die like Cure, but he keep pressing on the gas after that. | ||
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Poopi
France12779 Posts
On July 02 2024 00:01 tigera6 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2024 23:14 dysenterymd wrote: On July 01 2024 22:26 allmotor1 wrote: Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style. When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts? Funnily enough a few years ago Clem did much worse against Rogue/Dark than Serral/Reynor because the latter rarely built roaches and Clem kept attacking unnecessarily into roaches. I don't think Maru necessarily has a problem with roaches though - iirc in the last Maru-Dark Code S finals Maru put on a masterclass at fighting roaches. Plus, one of Dark's wins was with ling bane and another was with a queen ling dropalord all-in. Game 2 also should have been a Maru win, his early game against roaches was amazing, Dark just did Dark things and sometimes did a bunch of damage with roach hydra against a superior Terran position. Maru problem isnt with Roach, its his lack of awareness of the situation at times. There was no reason for him to keep pushing into a Zerg defensive position of Roach/Ravager with just Tanks and Marines. In the game 2, he could have pulled back after the initial trade, and just stay defensive on 5 bases and slowly getting out Marauder/Libs/Ghost. His early defense against initial Roach attack was pretty great and didnt die like Cure, but he keep pressing on the gas after that. I mean we don't have any clue about the mindgames between the players, form of the day, what went into his mind. It's quite easy to look at the game from obs PoV + dezoom / production and stuff and analyze a posteriori. And I think people often underestimate Dark's power, he is an incredibly tricky opponent to play against | ||
allmotor1
152 Posts
On July 02 2024 00:06 Poopi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2024 00:01 tigera6 wrote: On July 01 2024 23:14 dysenterymd wrote: On July 01 2024 22:26 allmotor1 wrote: Dark has always been one of my favorite players ever. I love his chaotic style. When Rogue destroyed Maru 4-0 in that GSL finals a few years ago and when Serral rolls over Maru with roaches and now Dark did well with roaches as well, does it seem Maru is really weak vs roaches compared to say clem and other Ts? Funnily enough a few years ago Clem did much worse against Rogue/Dark than Serral/Reynor because the latter rarely built roaches and Clem kept attacking unnecessarily into roaches. I don't think Maru necessarily has a problem with roaches though - iirc in the last Maru-Dark Code S finals Maru put on a masterclass at fighting roaches. Plus, one of Dark's wins was with ling bane and another was with a queen ling dropalord all-in. Game 2 also should have been a Maru win, his early game against roaches was amazing, Dark just did Dark things and sometimes did a bunch of damage with roach hydra against a superior Terran position. Maru problem isnt with Roach, its his lack of awareness of the situation at times. There was no reason for him to keep pushing into a Zerg defensive position of Roach/Ravager with just Tanks and Marines. In the game 2, he could have pulled back after the initial trade, and just stay defensive on 5 bases and slowly getting out Marauder/Libs/Ghost. His early defense against initial Roach attack was pretty great and didnt die like Cure, but he keep pressing on the gas after that. I mean we don't have any clue about the mindgames between the players, form of the day, what went into his mind. It's quite easy to look at the game from obs PoV + dezoom / production and stuff and analyze a posteriori. And I think people often underestimate Dark's power, he is an incredibly tricky opponent to play against I never write off Dark, to me that's crazy if people do. Dark is just amazing and he's so chaotic I love it. I would say of all the top zergs, Serral would be the cleanest zerg, very formulaic, hard to get him off the tracks, but his opposite would be Dark. Just so chaotic and fun to watch. | ||
tigera6
3339 Posts
I mean we don't have any clue about the mindgames between the players, form of the day, what went into his mind. It's quite easy to look at the game from obs PoV + dezoom / production and stuff and analyze a posteriori. And I think people often underestimate Dark's power, he is an incredibly tricky opponent to play against I have seen Maru done much better from the same situation previously, thats why I am extra harsh on him like this. While its true there are lots of thing that we viewers cant appreciate, its still pretty damn frustrating to watch the guy who is known as the best defensive Terran refuse to play safe and just yolo on his opponent defense. Remind | ||
yubo56
687 Posts
This almost never works vs Maru when Maru's in the right head space, since Maru usually has a very patient midgame, confident in his late game, and he's happy giving up as much map control as needed to get to late game. But this series, Maru kept overcommitting on trying to get incremental damage and pinning the Zerg, which get hard punished by Dark's full-send attacks. It's a weird departure for Maru, especially since it seems like it's the only way he ever loses. Maybe he drilled a lot of mid game after his back-to-back series vs Serral, and was very confident in his mid game? It's weird for sure, but Dark got to play his game over and over this series haha | ||
SharkStarcraft
Austria2218 Posts
Also, any news on what 2025 might bring? | ||
tigera6
3339 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24979 Posts
On July 03 2024 17:41 tigera6 wrote: I think GSL or ESL KR will have to wait until after EWC to see what their plan for next EPT season. I smell a worst case scenario where GSL goes to the wall when even a fraction of the EWC money would have kept it going another while. Then for EWC to drop SC2 once its purpose to give this new event some old school legitimacy was served But then I am very much a glass half empty kinda lad | ||
Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
On July 01 2024 12:30 tigera6 wrote: Terran just have many more "great" tier players comparing to Zerg, but Zerg is still having more players at "god" tier in most global events. So the overall % is Terran favored, but they are not winning at the very end of any tournament only a top Terran playing out of his mind in TvZ like Clem did in ESL Winter. Just watching at the games, I feel that Zerg at the moment can have so many opportunity to either drag the game into lategame, or just commit an all-in push at any timing and end it. Top level Zerg can sniff out any Terran builds from miles away and get the right preparation for it, making sure they are always ahead enough. Meanwhile Terran might have absolutely no clue whats coming until they got hit at the door. I feel that Terran should have an empty medivac with boost ready just to scout the Zerg base, or make a Raven to clean creep and use the Scan on the Zerg base, just so they can react to it correctly. And for Maru case, hes just too yolo for no reason against Dark, like he doesnt think he can win against the Zerg who commit to Roach Ravager early game and had to win the game there. While he can totally transition into Ghost and Mech lategame, and just turtle on 5 base until hit max. Multiple times I felt that he should just pull back and set up the defense while teching up, but he keep send Tanks and Marines to fight into more Roach and Ravager. I think throughout the years I have read a version of the post above a few hunderd times from as many people. The arguments are always the same and very often also appear in the same order: 1. Race X is just stronger at the top, because of Y. The statistics don't show this because of Z. 2. Obviously, player A from race B has to play godlike to even stand a chance. (This argument is made, despite the fact that, in this case, Maru won 3 out of the last 4 GSLs) 3. Player X, who has won a lot of GSLs and a lot of Premier events, just played so stupid. How could he be so stupid? If he would have just trusted himself or done Y or Z on map A or B, he would have won. Fundamentally, I believe people do not realize how slim the margins are on the very top in sports or games. Roger Federer just mentioned in his speech at some university that he won 80+ percent of his games, but only 54% of all points he played. The best or second best player of all time won 54% of points during his career. I think we all gravitate naturally towards viewing the games from the point of view of one player and not the other. Paired with complete vision of the map, we lose sight of what is really going on a lot of the time. What was going on this time was probably that Dark was the better player on that day. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6869 Posts
On July 04 2024 02:53 WombaT wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2024 17:41 tigera6 wrote: I think GSL or ESL KR will have to wait until after EWC to see what their plan for next EPT season. I smell a worst case scenario where GSL goes to the wall when even a fraction of the EWC money would have kept it going another while. Then for EWC to drop SC2 once its purpose to give this new event some old school legitimacy was served But then I am very much a glass half empty kinda lad And why wouldn't they? Seems reasonable from a marketing PoV I still have hope for another year of ESL, but not for GSL GSL will get mixed into ESL Asia/ Korea as an online qualifier for ESL Masters. If we are lucky we get two Masters + IEM + EWC for next season | ||
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