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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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tigera6
3450 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:06 Brutaxilos wrote: I feel like Maru's going to do worse against Serral than Oliveira did Every single build that Oliv did, Maru already showed that he could do it better, but that is assuming hes not dying to a Roach all-in. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4520 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:06 Argonauta wrote: what? Serral is in a perfect situation. If he wins: OMG he wins despite being doing his military service. If he loses: nvm boys doesnt really count cuz Serral is just part time. I believe he's referring to that goat thread where it appeared as though serral's latest "WC" win didn't count. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:08 tigera6 wrote: Every single build that Oliv did, Maru already showed that he could do it better, but that is assuming hes not dying to a Roach all-in. Maru is better at micro/macro than Oli for sure, but I think Oli has a bit more killer instinct? I don't see Maru stimmingg on creep like Oli does, for example, and if Oli hadn't done that some of the pushes against Reynor/Serral wouldn't have worked. Either way, I think the games will look very different between Serral and Maru. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4520 Posts
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Antithesis
Germany1215 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:13 dysenterymd wrote: Either way, I think the games will look very different between Serral and Maru. Yeah. I also suspect Serral has deliberately shown somewhat different styles against Oliveira than what he will play against Maru, as he did at Kato'24 against Clem and Maru on the same day. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2631 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:13 dysenterymd wrote: Maru is better at micro/macro than Oli for sure, but I think Oli has a bit more killer instinct? I don't see Maru stimmingg on creep like Oli does, for example, and if Oli hadn't done that some of the pushes against Reynor/Serral wouldn't have worked. Either way, I think the games will look very different between Serral and Maru. I find the players with the best luck against Serral are those that seem like they have super fast response times, so Clem, Reynor, MaxPax, and now Oliveira. Imagine which players would be on top of responding to like multi-prong baneling drops in the mineral lines in the middle of a big fight. Maru's strengths aren't so much that he has as fast responses, he's just got more mature control and decision making. | ||
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tigera6
3450 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:13 dysenterymd wrote: Maru is better at micro/macro than Oli for sure, but I think Oli has a bit more killer instinct? I don't see Maru stimmingg on creep like Oli does, for example, and if Oli hadn't done that some of the pushes against Reynor/Serral wouldn't have worked. Either way, I think the games will look very different between Serral and Maru. 3 of the games, including the 2 wins from Oliv, were 8-racks timing. So if Maru choose to do that build, he will hit the same way with aggressiveness. However, the the concern would be Serral just went for an Roach all-in and kill Maru earlier . | ||
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jack_less
77 Posts
and plays 3 games nydus all-in and 1 proxy hatch. | ||
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
Either way, I feel spoiled getting to watch another SvM grand finals in such short order after we all waited so long for the first one to happen | ||
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LukaMav
28 Posts
Maru probably make this a close series due to the heavily terran favoured maps this season though | ||
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Nasigil1
114 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:06 dysenterymd wrote: If everyone peaks at ESWC (big if) it could be super exciting, Serral/Maru/Clem/Reynor/herO/Dark/Oliverira all playing at their best could make for one of the best tournaments ever. I will always hold the opinion that, even if the whole pro scene of sc2 is a shell of its past glory, the top level players (Serral/Maru/herO/Clem/and probably Oliveira when he's on fire like this) are better than anyone in the history. Drop them back into KeSPA days via time machine and give them some time to adapt to the meta and they will crush everybody. Winning a tournament is still an big achievement today because you still have to go through all these monsters. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:20 Nasigil1 wrote: I will always hold the opinion that, even if the whole pro scene of sc2 is a shell of its past glory, the top level players (Serral/Maru/herO/and probably Oliveira when he's on fire like this) are better than anyone in the history. Drop them back into KeSPA days via time machine and give them some time to adapt to the meta and they will crush everybody. Winning a tournament is still an big achievement today because you still have to go through all these monsters. 100%. I also think that though the top player pool is smaller, a lot of the players who stuck around did so because they were really good (people like Creator/Shin/Bunny may be exceptions, I respect them a lot and hope they win tournaments before they have to retire though.) At the same time, there were a lot more scary players back in the day who probably wouldn't win tournaments but could snipe top players, so I think tournaments in the past were harder to win. Also GOAT vs BOAT (best of all time) are different debates, winning against people who have played SC2 as long as you is impressive no matter the objective skill level. I have no doubts that Serral is the BOAT, but he Rogue and Maru all have claims to GOAT. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2631 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:20 Nasigil1 wrote: I will always hold the opinion that, even if the whole pro scene of sc2 is a shell of its past glory, the top level players (Serral/Maru/herO/and probably Oliveira when he's on fire like this) are better than anyone in the history. Drop them back into KeSPA days via time machine and give them some time to adapt to the meta and they will crush everybody. Winning a tournament is still an big achievement today because you still have to go through all these monsters. That's not really even an opinion. That's the absolute truth and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. | ||
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Telephone
United States143 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:19 LukaMav wrote: Just in time to see the usual Serral stomping Maru Maru probably make this a close series due to the heavily terran favoured maps this season though Yes, for the first time in a decade the map pool is maybe even instead of insanely better for Zerg xD | ||
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Perceivere
131 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:08 tigera6 wrote: Every single build that Oliv did, Maru already showed that he could do it better, but that is assuming hes not dying to a Roach all-in. Well, that first 8 rax was pretty much picture-perfect. It was Clem-level of terran perfection. Maru hasn't quite matched that, tbh. What Maru is better at is lategame. Really shows Oli has been practicing very hard. | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:24 Brutaxilos wrote: That's not really even an opinion. That's the absolute truth and anyone who says otherwise is delusional. Noone is denying absolute skill going up, the thing is mostly about relative skill and competitiveness of the scene. | ||
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LukaMav
28 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:20 Nasigil1 wrote: I will always hold the opinion that, even if the whole pro scene of sc2 is a shell of its past glory, the top level players (Serral/Maru/herO/and probably Oliveira when he's on fire like this) are better than anyone in the history. Drop them back into KeSPA days via time machine and give them some time to adapt to the meta and they will crush everybody. Winning a tournament is still an big achievement today because you still have to go through all these monsters. Are there people still arguing this point? current low GM ladder player will dominate kespa era, now imagine a pro going back in time.. Wol and kespa gave us some nice memories but in terms of skills, it’s relatively low compare to current games No offense to wol players but if I time travel back in time. I would literally win everything in WOL and be the undisputed goat | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:30 LukaMav wrote: Are there people still arguing this point? current low GM ladder player will dominate kespa era, now imagine a pro going back in time.. Wol and kespa gave us some nice memories but in terms of skills, it’s relatively low compare to current games No offense to wol players but if I time travel back in time. I would literally win everything in WOL and be the undisputed goat Lmfao no | ||
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ZeroByte13
780 Posts
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