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tigera6
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dysenterymd
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:20 Nasigil1 wrote: I will always hold the opinion that, even if the whole pro scene of sc2 is a shell of its past glory, the top level players (Serral/Maru/herO/Clem/and probably Oliveira when he's on fire like this) are better than anyone in the history. Drop them back into KeSPA days via time machine and give them some time to adapt to the meta and they will crush everybody. Winning a tournament is still an big achievement today because you still have to go through all these monsters. On the other hand Dark for example is definitely playing more sloppy and makes more mistakes than his 2019 version, but he's still probably a top 5 player. Maru and Serral may indeed have reached a skill level no one before has, but the rest of the player field is weaker imo, both in absolute and relative skill. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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Perceivere
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On June 03 2024 05:40 Charoisaur wrote: On the other hand Dark for example is definitely playing more sloppy and makes more mistakes than his 2019 version, but he's still probably a top 5 player. Maru and Serral may indeed have reached a skill level no one before has, but the rest of the player field is weaker imo, both in absolute and relative skill. This is so profoundly wrong. Jesus Christ. The current era has players with APMs and eAPMs that the pre-2016 boys could only dream of. Back then when good splits happened, they were repeatedly highlighted as epic micro. Today, those splits are standard. Clem is splitting/microing his marines while macroing, even, which is stupidly hard and insane to even try to pull off. Levels of creep spread are miles apart, and it's harder to spread creep today than back then. Players have invented, and perfected so many strategies and builds. I don't think you've been going back to watch the old games, dude. Those guys were so much slower in comparison. Today's top players are doing multitasking that observers sometimes have a hard time keeping up with. That didn't use to happen. If anyone thinks Jinro, early Scarlett, and Stephano had anything on today's top 4 Europeans, minus Serral, they are pretty ignorant...and Jinro and Scarlett both had deep runs in GSL. | ||
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dysenterymd
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nimbim
Germany985 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9262 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:56 dysenterymd wrote: Wild to see Serral veto Dynasty vs Oliveira and then Maru veto Dynasty against Serral (unless liquipedia is wrong.) That's very interesting. Maybe he thinks Dynasty is a bad for late game starvation turtling. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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mintyminmus
Australia127 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3126 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18159 Posts
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On June 03 2024 06:01 Captain Peabody wrote: Maru giving Serral so much respect so far it feels...which is definitely not how you beat Serral so much this... Serral gets free passes for his greed everytime vs Maru | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On June 03 2024 05:53 Perceivere wrote: This is so profoundly wrong. Jesus Christ. The current era has players with APMs and eAPMs that the pre-2016 boys could only dream of. Back then when good splits happened, they were repeatedly highlighted as epic micro. Today, those splits are standard. Clem is splitting/microing his marines while macroing, even, which is stupidly hard and insane to even try to pull off. Levels of creep spread are miles apart, and it's harder to spread creep today than back then. Players have invented, and perfected so many strategies and builds. I don't think you've been going back to watch the old games, dude. Those guys were so much slower in comparison. Today's top players are doing multitasking that observers sometimes have a hard time keeping up with. That didn't use to happen. If anyone thinks Jinro, early Scarlett, and Stephano had anything on today's top 4 Europeans, minus Serral, they are pretty ignorant...and Jinro and Scarlett both had deep runs in GSL. I'm honestly amazed that you put this much effort into replying to a post you didn't even read | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3126 Posts
On June 03 2024 06:11 Argonauta wrote: combat shields half done and 2 infestors on the way lol 7 ultras in the production tab and ghost academy just starting... | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3126 Posts
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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