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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On March 21 2024 21:51 Harris1st wrote: I can admit that. Though that leaves the question what does count as a "GSL" and how much does it count? Does the GSL S1 2024 count as much as Code S 2016? 2019? The online Covid GSL? GSL was always offline during Covid | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
 Global StarCraft II LeagueAll that is listed here is GSL (in the broad sense). If GSL colloquailly refers to GSL: Code S doesn't change the fact that Serral competed offline premier twice at Korea and in FACT beat shit out from some of then best GSL players. Multiple Code S hold lesser value than those tournaments, if not for any other reasons then only because Serral (and Reynor, and Clem) wasn't there. Period. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On March 21 2024 21:51 Harris1st wrote: I can admit that. Though that leaves the question what does count as a "GSL" and how much does it count? Does the GSL S1 2024 count as much as Code S 2016? 2019? The online Covid GSL? A GSL is a GSL but yes, the relative weights that each one of them holds is relative. And that relation depends of the total strength of the competition. GSL S1 2024 hasn't finish yet, so its hard to judge. But the overall trend is that newer GSLs are diminishing in weight compared to their old counterparts. Still, giving that the international tournaments tend to have playoffs dominated by GSL code S players (where most of the ro16/ro8 players are participants of Code S) I would say that GSL, compared with the rest of its peer tournaments each season, is still the strongest tournament we have in SC2. It is just that the overall skill in the SC2 scene is diminishing. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On March 21 2024 22:03 Schelim wrote: guys there's kind of a game between herO and Ryung on right now which will decide which of these two gentlemen will advance to the round of 8 of GSL Code S, which is what this thread is about. maybe we can all respect that. Sorry yes, I got sidetracked. I think that disruptor play is becoming weaker and weaker unless you go 4 robos a la Patience and saturate the field | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
funny that the only Zerg who survived the ro16 is SHIN. i got Maru and Classic advancing form group A, and Cure and SHIN from group B, but i'm rooting for the Gumigod heavy. i feel like he and SHIN end up in the same groups/facing each other a LOT | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On March 21 2024 22:09 Schelim wrote: GG well played. Ryung got closer to advancing than I expected, which I like, but it's also great to have herO in there. funny that the only Zerg who survived the ro16 is SHIN. i got Maru and Classic advancing form group A, and Cure and SHIN from group B, but i'm rooting for the Gumigod heavy. i feel like he and SHIN end up in the same groups/facing each other a LOT You say funny, but Shin is one of the strongest zergs right now period. He is showing it non-stop in the big tourneys. I think is just that due to his clunky style,midgame numbers wrestling, is hard to accept by many. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 21 2024 22:13 Argonauta wrote: You say funny, but Shin is one of the strongest zergs right now period. He is showing it non-stop in the big tourneys. I think is just that due to his clunky style,midgame numbers wrestling, is hard to accept by many. I agree he's been very good but it's hard to fully acknowledge that. you're probably right that his style plays a role in that perception, but I think it's also that Ragnarok has tended to be a good, but not amazing player for so many years now that it's weird to look at the GSL standings and see that he advanced when Dark, Solar and DRG failed. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3505 Posts
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Snakestyle1
43 Posts
I find it crazy that SC2 is the only game where almost nobody plays the *best* faction, and everyone plays the *weak* faction. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
On March 22 2024 00:41 Snakestyle1 wrote: Only zerg that advanced was from a 3 zergs group. If Serral didnt exist, it would be clear which race is struggling by looking at ladder on every server, GSL, and every ESL cups, and every tournaments. I find it crazy that SC2 is the only game where almost nobody plays the *best* faction, and everyone plays the *weak* faction. What are you talking about, Solar (a zerg) won the last GSL | ||
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tigera6
3445 Posts
On March 22 2024 00:41 Snakestyle1 wrote: Only zerg that advanced was from a 3 zergs group. If Serral didnt exist, it would be clear which race is struggling by looking at ladder on every server, GSL, and every ESL cups, and every tournaments. I find it crazy that SC2 is the only game where almost nobody plays the *best* faction, and everyone plays the *weak* faction. Way to use ONE single data point to make your point while dis-regarding the rest of them, being Zerg still win championship when Serral not winning it. | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
3830 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1247 Posts
On March 22 2024 01:34 tigera6 wrote: Way to use ONE single data point to make your point while dis-regarding the rest of them, being Zerg still win championship when Serral not winning it. I mean...Zerg was also the least represented race at Katowice. I wouldn't say Zerg is particularly weak right now, but there is definetly some drainage going on, with Reynor and Solar slumping and Dark also not looking too hot (probably because of his impending military service?) But I would atleast conclude that the entire "omg Zerg so OP needs like 300 nerfs immediately"-whines right after Katowice might be a tad overexaggerated | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On March 22 2024 13:46 Balnazza wrote: I mean...Zerg was also the least represented race at Katowice. I wouldn't say Zerg is particularly weak right now, but there is definetly some drainage going on, with Reynor and Solar slumping and Dark also not looking too hot (probably because of his impending military service?) But I would atleast conclude that the entire "omg Zerg so OP needs like 300 nerfs immediately"-whines right after Katowice might be a tad overexaggerated I don't think Zerg needs to be nerfed, but I DEFINITELY don't think Zerg needs to be buffed indirectly by nerfing the shit out of Cyclones and Widow Mines. Also tournaments NEED to do a better job of keeping blatantly Zerg favored maps out of the map pool. Maps like Ratushet Station and Pride of Aldaris should NEVER find their way into any tournament with real stakes. Those maps are so obviously Zerg favored just by their sheer concept, and yet somehow these blatantly favored maps keep finding their way into high stakes tournaments. That's not acceptable and tournaments can and should do better. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On March 22 2024 06:12 catplanetcatplanet wrote: I can't believe solar's trophy case is like 2 and a half times bigger than byun's Idk it feels pretty believable to me. Byun blew hot as the sun for a bit but Solar’s been more consistently in the mix (outside of Code S) for way longer as a span Decent day of action and good to see Ryung bringing some good games into the mix even if he ultimately failed to get out. I do somewhat fear for Protoss now we’re into the Ro8, even when they’re winning PvT rarely feels super comfortable and there’s going to be rather a lot of it coming up! | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1247 Posts
On March 22 2024 14:14 Vindicare605 wrote: I don't think Zerg needs to be nerfed, but I DEFINITELY don't think Zerg needs to be buffed indirectly by nerfing the shit out of Cyclones and Widow Mines. Also tournaments NEED to do a better job of keeping blatantly Zerg favored maps out of the map pool. Maps like Ratushet Station and Pride of Aldaris should NEVER find their way into any tournament with real stakes. Those maps are so obviously Zerg favored just by their sheer concept, and yet somehow these blatantly favored maps keep finding their way into high stakes tournaments. That's not acceptable and tournaments can and should do better. According to Liquipedia, Zerg has negative stats on Radhuset Station though? Like only a slight positive against Terran (~52%), but kind of bad against Protoss (~45%) | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On March 22 2024 22:19 Balnazza wrote: According to Liquipedia, Zerg has negative stats on Radhuset Station though? Like only a slight positive against Terran (~52%), but kind of bad against Protoss (~45%) Yea it's a shame that Liquipedia doesn't track veto numbers, which is the much more telling stat. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1247 Posts
On March 23 2024 00:28 Vindicare605 wrote: Yea it's a shame that Liquipedia doesn't track veto numbers, which is the much more telling stat. I mean, sure, though that already makes it unclearer. Idk, if I think about a highly unbalanced map I usually just picture things like Lost Temple in WC3 back in the day, with absurd winrates for Human and especially Orc vs. Undead in teamleagues (though the numbers might be wrong, for example Orc has a 100% winrate against Undead in the 3rd NGL Season). That's "blatantly favored" for me. Not...that above. | ||
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