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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-10 17:04:47
February 10 2024 17:04 GMT
#701
On February 11 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:
I had never thought about it until that super quick exchange on the ramp but why doesn't blinding cloud prevent snipe? Not that I want to buff Zerg but seems like it should.


Snipe's a spell, not a ranged attack. Blinding Cloud doesn't block Widow Mines from triggering for the same reason.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
t5Fab
Profile Joined July 2018
183 Posts
February 10 2024 17:07 GMT
#702
On February 11 2024 02:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:
I had never thought about it until that super quick exchange on the ramp but why doesn't blinding cloud prevent snipe? Not that I want to buff Zerg but seems like it should.


Snipe's a spell, not a ranged attack. Blinding Cloud doesn't block Widow Mines from triggering for the same reason.

Well, let's change that.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16022 Posts
February 10 2024 17:08 GMT
#703
I already said it once but Clem is a really good matchup for Solar. Clem's style plays exactly into Solars hands as he's really good at this brawling style but falls off in more sophisticated lategames like Maru does
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2024 17:09 GMT
#704
On February 11 2024 02:07 t5Fab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 02:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:
I had never thought about it until that super quick exchange on the ramp but why doesn't blinding cloud prevent snipe? Not that I want to buff Zerg but seems like it should.


Snipe's a spell, not a ranged attack. Blinding Cloud doesn't block Widow Mines from triggering for the same reason.

Well, let's change that.


I don't think you can. You can't adjust Blinding Cloud to block spells because that would mean blocking all spells including EMP and Feedback which are designed to counter spellcasters and I don't think you can change Snipe to a ranged attack because of the way the game code works.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 10 2024 17:10 GMT
#705
On February 11 2024 02:07 t5Fab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 02:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:
I had never thought about it until that super quick exchange on the ramp but why doesn't blinding cloud prevent snipe? Not that I want to buff Zerg but seems like it should.


Snipe's a spell, not a ranged attack. Blinding Cloud doesn't block Widow Mines from triggering for the same reason.

Well, let's change that.

Why?

Well at least this series is decent so far, hope the rest of the evening keeps this standard.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
February 10 2024 17:12 GMT
#706
On February 11 2024 02:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:
I had never thought about it until that super quick exchange on the ramp but why doesn't blinding cloud prevent snipe? Not that I want to buff Zerg but seems like it should.


Snipe's a spell, not a ranged attack. Blinding Cloud doesn't block Widow Mines from triggering for the same reason.


It makes sense from a game mechanic perspective just the logic of the spell it seems like snipe would be the exact type of thing a blinding cloud would block. There's all sorts of game mechanics that don't make much sense from the in universe logic but that seems particularly odd. It also could allow for fun counterplay too as long as you gave Terran something to compensate. Though making the viper even better is probably not a good idea.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2024 17:17 GMT
#707
On February 11 2024 02:12 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 02:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:
I had never thought about it until that super quick exchange on the ramp but why doesn't blinding cloud prevent snipe? Not that I want to buff Zerg but seems like it should.


Snipe's a spell, not a ranged attack. Blinding Cloud doesn't block Widow Mines from triggering for the same reason.


It makes sense from a game mechanic perspective just the logic of the spell it seems like snipe would be the exact type of thing a blinding cloud would block. There's all sorts of game mechanics that don't make much sense from the in universe logic but that seems particularly odd. It also could allow for fun counterplay too as long as you gave Terran something to compensate. Though making the viper even better is probably not a good idea.

Eh you can justify it by Ghosts using their Psionic ability when they use Snipe which allows them to see through Blinding Cloud, whereas Blinding Cloud only blocks their eye sight.

For Widow Mines you can make up something about the way their targeting systems work not being affected because again they don't use sight they use something else to acquire their targets.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16022 Posts
February 10 2024 17:17 GMT
#708
On February 11 2024 02:10 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 02:07 t5Fab wrote:
On February 11 2024 02:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 02:03 JJH777 wrote:
I had never thought about it until that super quick exchange on the ramp but why doesn't blinding cloud prevent snipe? Not that I want to buff Zerg but seems like it should.


Snipe's a spell, not a ranged attack. Blinding Cloud doesn't block Widow Mines from triggering for the same reason.

Well, let's change that.

Why?

Well at least this series is decent so far, hope the rest of the evening keeps this standard.

Zerg needs a buff, they don't win enough tournaments
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
February 10 2024 17:21 GMT
#709
On February 11 2024 02:08 Charoisaur wrote:
I already said it once but Clem is a really good matchup for Solar. Clem's style plays exactly into Solars hands as he's really good at this brawling style but falls off in more sophisticated lategames like Maru does


Exactly, clems strength is his speed and multitasking but that's true for solar as well
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 10 2024 17:22 GMT
#710
Argh I hate stuff like this, there’s no real fair way to deal, anyone any idea what the specific issue was?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3450 Posts
February 10 2024 17:23 GMT
#711
Yeah, Clem would have done so much better against Solar if he mix in the early heavy pressure build like 3 Racks or several Cyclone. Solar is not a great build reader and could react to the wrong build. Basically Clem needs to play to Solar weakness rather than to Clem strength.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-10 17:26:14
February 10 2024 17:25 GMT
#712
On February 11 2024 02:22 WombaT wrote:
Argh I hate stuff like this, there’s no real fair way to deal, anyone any idea what the specific issue was?


No idea and I also have no idea what could cause us to take like a ten minute extended break.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 10 2024 17:28 GMT
#713
While we're om a break, any Tler in person at Kato? How's the ambiance?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-10 17:31:08
February 10 2024 17:30 GMT
#714
Clem is definitely still at his best when he is playing this tempo MMM Widow mine style.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 10 2024 17:36 GMT
#715
On February 11 2024 02:23 tigera6 wrote:
Yeah, Clem would have done so much better against Solar if he mix in the early heavy pressure build like 3 Racks or several Cyclone. Solar is not a great build reader and could react to the wrong build. Basically Clem needs to play to Solar weakness rather than to Clem strength.

If lost count of the amount of times Maru has just killed him with a pretty straight-up bio push with some tank support.

Where Clem seems to more poke and harass a bit and try to wear Solar down, which gets Solar into a phase of the game where he’s really strong
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
February 10 2024 17:50 GMT
#716
I'm surprised solar didn't try a single ravager all-in after Shins success with them yesterday.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 10 2024 17:51 GMT
#717
Wow, complete meltdown from Solar
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
February 10 2024 17:54 GMT
#718
Damn he really just fell apart after those tech difficulties. Shame I feel like he had a higher chance of beating Serral. Though Clem may do it too.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10101 Posts
February 10 2024 17:57 GMT
#719
something happened? cant watch right now
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
February 10 2024 17:57 GMT
#720
On February 11 2024 02:54 JJH777 wrote:
Damn he really just fell apart after those tech difficulties. Shame I feel like he had a higher chance of beating Serral. Though Clem may do it too.


Clem got REALLY lucky that it happened. Solar had all of the momentum leading into that game and then the huge break just reset it.


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