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fastr
France902 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:13 Charoisaur wrote: I stand corrected, thought the depot died in the previous attack I don't think it would have mattered. It was 50 vs 20 army supply. Best case scenario, ByuN lifts the marines, loses the scvs in the natural, Serral either goes for round 3 and bust the ramp wall or drones up and is far ahead. | ||
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mintyminmus
Australia127 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:15 fastr wrote: I don't think it would have mattered. It was 50 vs 20 army supply. Best case scenario, ByuN lifts the marines, loses the scvs in the natural, Serral either goes for round 3 and bust the ramp wall or drones up and is far ahead. Serral went in with only 8 banes (it takes 5 to kill a depot). Even if he busts open the high ground wall it's only 3 banes and lings vs upgraded marines and a lot of SCVs. A non-tilted terran would have at least tried to hold that. Not saying they 100% win, but you never leave with 3CC and upgraded bio vs zerg. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:19 Fango wrote: Serral went in with only 8 banes (it takes 5 to kill a depot). Even if he busts open the high ground wall it's only 3 banes and lings vs upgraded marines and a lot of SCVs. A non-tilted terran would have at least tried to hold that. Not saying they 100% win, but you never leave with 3CC and upgraded bio vs zerg. When is Byun ever not playing on tilt against Serral? He always looks hopelessly flustered against him. I think Skillous has a better chance of taking 2 games off of Serral than Byun does. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16022 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:19 Fango wrote: Serral went in with only 8 banes (it takes 5 to kill a depot). Even if he busts open the high ground wall it's only 3 banes and lings vs upgraded marines and a lot of SCVs. A non-tilted terran would have at least tried to hold that. Not saying they 100% win, but you never leave with 3CC and upgraded bio vs zerg. Especially because ByuN could have focused down a couple Banes before picking up. Just messed up there | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3127 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:19 Fango wrote: Serral went in with only 8 banes (it takes 5 to kill a depot). Even if he busts open the high ground wall it's only 3 banes and lings vs upgraded marines and a lot of SCVs. A non-tilted terran would have at least tried to hold that. Not saying they 100% win, but you never leave with 3CC and upgraded bio vs zerg. I do think one of the biggest advantages of being in Serral's position rn is that sense of inevitability, meaning players don't do the little scrappy things they would otherwise do to try to come back/claw their way back into games they're behind in. When in reality those are exactly what the underdogs need to be doing generally. Not that it would make Byun magically win that game or series, but it still reduces his chances of catching onto those potential lucky breaks. | ||
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ekojs
16 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:23 ekojs wrote: Curious why decided to show ByuN/Serral instead of Astrea/Skillous but then show herO/ShoWTimE instead of Maru/Dark (on the A stream). Neither Astrea nor Skillous going out is surprising, herO/Showtime are considered to have a much better chance in the playoff bracket. Also, they probably wanted to have Serral on the main stream. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:23 ekojs wrote: Curious why decided to show ByuN/Serral instead of Astrea/Skillous but then show herO/ShoWTimE instead of Maru/Dark (on the A stream). They probably just want to maximise main stage Serral. Astrea and Skillous aren't big draw players If you wanted it to be fair you'd show the elimination games (Astrea vs Skillous) on the main stream, as Byun/Serral/Maru/Dark are all guaranteed to play later on. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3127 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:26 Nakajin wrote: Neither Astrea nor Skillous going out is surprising, herO/Showtime are considered to have a much better chance in the playoff bracket. Also, they probably wanted to have Serral on the main stream. yeah also whoever wins this match is de facto going to be the "Protoss hope" for the rest of the tournament. and that's a hypey-er narrative. I do think Skillous has it in him to make a good run, but that would definitely be a big surprise. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:28 Captain Peabody wrote: yeah also whoever wins this match is de facto going to be the "Protoss hope" for the rest of the tournament. and that's a hypey-er narrative. I do think Skillous has it in him to make a good run, but that would definitely be a big surprise. Idk, Solar, Cure, and Dark/Maru/herO are Skillous' possible opponents. Those fall feel like brick walls (except maybe herO, but herO's unlikely to get 2nd), but crazier things have happened. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
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Topin
Peru10102 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3127 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:33 dysenterymd wrote: Idk, Solar, Cure, and Dark/Maru/herO are Skillous' possible opponents. Those fall feel like brick walls (except maybe herO, but herO's unlikely to get 2nd), but crazier things have happened. yeah, I just mean skillous has enough skill and pluck that there's at least the materials for a dream miracle upset run. but I would be as surprised as anyone if he didn't go out in the next round. the more interesting question imo is whether Showtime or herO are better Protoss hopes for the playoffs. I'm honestly very conflicted. herO is the obvious choice, but he's playing sloppily enough recently that I lack faith. but he's the proven champion and the obvious best bet for winning the tournament or at least going deep. Showtime has a worse record but also feels more solid right now with genuine upset potential against anyone, and so might be a better bet for just keeping Protoss alive as long as possible; but it would take a once-in-a-lifetime sort of thing for him to be a real championship contender. on balance herO is the obvious pick but I'm still torn. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On February 10 2024 23:41 Captain Peabody wrote: yeah, I just mean skillous has enough skill and pluck that there's at least the materials for a dream miracle upset run. but I would be as surprised as anyone if he didn't go out in the next round. the more interesting question imo is whether Showtime or herO are better Protoss hopes for the playoffs. I'm honestly very conflicted. herO is the obvious choice, but he's playing sloppily enough recently that I lack faith. but he's the proven champion and the obvious best bet for winning the tournament or at least going deep. Showtime has a worse record but also feels more solid right now with genuine upset potential against anyone, and so might be a better bet for just keeping Protoss alive as long as possible; but it would take a once-in-a-lifetime sort of thing for him to be a real championship contender. on balance herO is the obvious pick but I'm still torn. Watching Showtime play, I often feel like he doesn't believe he can beat players like Serral and Maru. herO believes he can beat anyone, which is why I'd always put my faith in him to make a deep run. If Showtime starts to believe in himself I think he has real chances though. There's nothing wrong with defensive play, but when you're against people who can outplay you, you need to push for the win instead of sitting on your lead. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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