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- Dual Tournament Format.
- All matches are Bo3.
- Top 2 players of each group advance to the Group Stage 2.
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Group A
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[GSL 2023] Code S:Season 3 - Group A
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Map Pool CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: GSL | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
Heart: Maru & Scarlett | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
3830 Posts
CREATOR > SOLAR CREATOR > SCARLETT MARU > SOLAR SCARLETT > MARU HEART > HEAD | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
2) Solar (both 1 and 2 could flip flop there) 3) Creator 4) Scarlett | ||
Poopi
France12906 Posts
Still hoping Maru will manage to qualify | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3086 Posts
Expecting Maru + Solar ? xD | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On October 10 2023 18:54 Poopi wrote: Not too surprised by this result, hopefully Maru bounces back asap Why not? | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
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Javah
France739 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:03 Die4Ever wrote: absolutely awful by Maru, has he been sleeping since his last GSL win? The new map pool + patch is quite zerg friendly, so I guess Maru thought his best shot was to all-in two games in a row didn't work out, he can still qualify through losers + elimination match | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:05 Poopi wrote: The new map pool + patch is quite zerg friendly, so I guess Maru thought his best shot was to all-in two games in a row didn't work out, he can still qualify through losers + elimination match He thought he has no chance against Scarlett? Almost everything Z got nerfed, so not sure about the pro-zerg patch... | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:05 Poopi wrote: The new map pool + patch is quite zerg friendly, so I guess Maru thought his best shot was to all-in two games in a row didn't work out, he can still qualify through losers + elimination match pretty sure Cure and Byun are way better right now, and Maru seemed weak before the patch too | ||
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Philippe
354 Posts
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tigera6
3445 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:12 Die4Ever wrote: pretty sure Cure and Byun are way better right now, and Maru seemed weak before the patch too Maru just won Korean Royale beating all the top KRs, I am pretty sure he is not weak. But his damn aggressive style is just non-sensical at this point. Why the F he keep pulling the 1/2 base all-in/SCV stuff against someone who he can win straight up? He has always been playing from behind because he attack into a great defense and get smashed. | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:09 RaFox17 wrote: He thought he has no chance against Scarlett? Almost everything Z got nerfed, so not sure about the pro-zerg patch... Not "no chance", but his best shot. Lategame terran got nerfed, and infestor got "buffed" overall (the instant fungal access makes the unit better imho) As for ByuN (Die4Ever post), he has a high ceiling but his wrists get in the way too often Cure's TvZ is not super impressive either I'd say, only Clem looked better than Maru in the MU prepatch (imo) | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:26 Philippe wrote: I predicted based on expected level, but this was good from Scarlett as it was also shockingly bad from Maru ... Game2 was bad. Was game one not fine? | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
 Also idk but maru has looked pretty horrible the last few games ive seen (outside of the kr royal). Maybe he just has a form low rn. | ||
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BelethielQT
90 Posts
Its just the usual L take from poopi | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
He played well in g1 I think. Map is huge so 8rax all-in seems risky, Scarlett could always take the opposite base as 4th/5th and the gold strat from Maru was clever but ended up not being enough g2 is not supposed to work because zerg can stall forever with either queens or lings + creep while you only have 1 or 2 stim, I wonder which zerg he practiced with that told him it was a good enough build to use in the GSL | ||
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tigera6
3445 Posts
He did a Hellbat timing, into a 3 base 8-rack timing in one of the biggest map. The guy doesnt want to play anything past mid-game at this point. | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:31 darklycid wrote: Calling this patch zerg friendly is ... Also idk but maru has looked pretty horrible the last few games ive seen (outside of the kr royal). Maybe he just has a form low rn. The map pool is mostly what's zerg friendly, the patch is kinda neutral for zerg but nerfed terran. Patch is quite good for protoss imo, they seem a lot stronger in both PvZ and PvT We'll see in the coming weeks with the various tournaments though | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:33 Poopi wrote: The map pool is zerg friendly, the patch is kinda neutral for zerg but nerfed terran. Patch is quite good for protoss imo, they seem a lot stronger in both PvZ and PvT We'll see in the coming weeks with the various tournaments though Map pool might be wont comment yet, i dont think patch is neutral for zerg in zvt the bane nerf for sure shifted things. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
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darklycid
3517 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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darklycid
3517 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
 no way I was wrong | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
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tigera6
3445 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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umelbumel
2026 Posts
edit. ok, it doesn't matter. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
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darklycid
3517 Posts
On October 10 2023 20:10 Mozdk wrote: Is Scarlett gonna win GSL guys? Scarlett as one of the more active balance council members obviously manufactured this patch to her liking to win this GSL | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7021 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:05 Poopi wrote: The new map pool + patch is quite zerg friendly, so I guess Maru thought his best shot was to all-in two games in a row didn't work out, he can still qualify through losers + elimination match Stop looking for excuses. Scarlett played those games solid and Maru played bad using bad strategies. Patch got nothing to do with this. Stacking 5 full medivacs with infestors in the immediate vicinity is just bad. | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
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darklycid
3517 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
Now I hope that Maru will beat both Solar and Scarlett. With the rematch curse, he can beat Scarlett for sure, and Solar isn't generally fond of playing versus Maru but we'll see | ||
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aringadingding
479 Posts
Congrats to Creator, happy for him! | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Congrats Creator though, so hype!! Patch lookin great On October 10 2023 20:08 umelbumel wrote: Am I stupid or why didn't Scarlett kill the third Nexus? edit. ok, it doesn't matter. I thought that was super weird too, did she pull back by mistake or something? Maybe she thought she clicked the nexus but she clicked the pylon? | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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darklycid
3517 Posts
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HeroSandro
532 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On October 10 2023 21:01 Tsubbi wrote: maru is so gonna 4:0 from this point Maru was scared of Creator hitting his keyboard again, so he didn't use his best strats vs Scarlett? His build was better than the marine/scv all-in from g2 on the same map vs Scarlett though | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
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fastr
France902 Posts
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HeroSandro
532 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
or did he misplace the depot and not realize it or smth? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7021 Posts
On October 10 2023 21:01 Tsubbi wrote: maru is so gonna 4:0 from this point This did not age well | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
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fealx
Germany376 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17721 Posts
On October 10 2023 21:19 Durnuu wrote: Been a while since I've seen an accidental cancel in a pro game makes me think of Idra | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On October 10 2023 21:20 Durnuu wrote: Maru should go for nukes and hope for the best, it's Solar after all Well he's going all-in so nukes won't be for this game at least | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
Can the Serral killer beat Scarlett? | ||
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Fubika24
37 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7021 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On October 10 2023 21:31 Harris1st wrote: Maru is probably jetlagged. And besides, this is just a vacation tournament anyway. Prize pool is too low for him to care | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On October 10 2023 21:29 Fubika24 wrote: I know there are a lot of Maru fans out there, but with him out of the picture this GSL season just got a whole lot more exciting. Yup, there are a lot of contenders. Could be very cool if Creator finally won a GSL after all these years, or if Cure cemented his status by winning another GSL. It's exciting without a big favorite | ||
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Highwinds
Canada955 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On October 10 2023 19:05 Poopi wrote: The new map pool + patch is quite zerg friendly Pass the blunt fam I want some of what's in there. GG to Creator and Solar! Terrible day by Maru though. | ||
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Fubika24
37 Posts
On October 10 2023 21:52 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Pass the blunt fam I want some of what's in there. GG to Creator and Solar! Terrible day by Maru though. This. If anything zerg got the short end of the patch, at least in ZvT. | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On October 10 2023 22:05 Fubika24 wrote: This. If anything zerg got the short end of the patch, at least in ZvT. Banelings got a small nerf. Infestors got a small buff and a nerf / same for broodlords. Ultralisks and hydras got a small buff. Lurkers got a small nerf. Ghosts got a huge nerf especially TvZ -> overall terran lategame seems nerfed compared to before (but banelings ain't as strong in lategame) while zerg might be a little stronger. Maybe on smaller maps the baneling nerf would make terran allins more potent, but almost every new map feels super big so I doubt it changes that much in that regard? Not sure how zerg got the short end of the patch in these conditions (at least in ZvT) | ||
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tigera6
3445 Posts
Meanwhile, Solar ZvZ is just at another level to Scarlett, thats why he has beaten Serral 3 times in a row. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On October 10 2023 22:14 Poopi wrote: Banelings got a small nerf. Infestors got a small buff and a nerf / same for broodlords. Ultralisks and hydras got a small buff. Lurkers got a small nerf. Ghosts got a huge nerf especially TvZ -> overall terran lategame seems nerfed compared to before (but banelings ain't as strong in lategame) while zerg might be a little stronger. Maybe on smaller maps the baneling nerf would make terran allins more potent, but almost every new map feels super big so I doubt it changes that much in that regard? Not sure how zerg got the short end of the patch in these conditions (at least in ZvT) Lmao. Ghosts got a relative buff vs infestors, and the snipe change basically only affects ultras. And the bane health nerf affects a bunch of breakpoints in the matchup. It is the core of modern ZvT. If combat shield was removed from the game I doubt you'd call it a small change | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On October 10 2023 22:49 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Lmao. Ghosts got a relative buff vs infestors, and the snipe change basically only affects ultras. And the bane health nerf affects a bunch of breakpoints in the matchup. It is the core of modern ZvT. If combat shield was removed from the game I doubt you'd call it a small change Do you realize this was a hp buff to banelings in the first place? Mostly because of ByuN back in the super early LotV days they buffed banelings hp with the upgrade. Now they reverted it. Otoh combat shield has been there since day 1 of WoL afaik. Banelings were too strong and now they are back to their normal state edit: see  Baneling (Legacy of the Void) -> patch 3.9.1 for source. Patch 3.8.0 which introduced baneling hp buff was right after the BlizzCon that ByuN won, when he introduced the "click / focus fire on banelings" micro trick instead of splitting to the masses (he probably showed it before in GSL). | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Sure BLs move a little faster, but in an actual fight they will be doing much less damage and trap units less due to the slower and weaker broodlings. I'd say BLs got overall nerfed. And fungal doing 5 less damage and having 1 less range. And sure ghosts don't get as much out of snipe, but Thors are relatively even better vs BLs. Tanks are also a bit better vs Infestors now because slower and weaker broodlings means less friendly-fire splash, there's less need to get Liberators for Infestors now. So i think Terran got the good end of the stick out of this patch when it comes to a lategame fight. And sure Hydras, Ultras, etc. are slightly better and Infestors come online faster, but banelings are also weaker, and Terran has an additional option of Cyclones too which gives more variety and aggressive options zerg has to watch out for now. I think the patch was a win for Terran (including Mech). Infestors and hydras coming online faster is kind of needed for the weaker banelings and the new Cyclones. | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
3830 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On October 10 2023 22:53 Poopi wrote: Do you realize this was a hp buff to banelings in the first place? Mostly because of ByuN back in the super early LotV days they buffed banelings hp with the upgrade. Now they reverted it. Otoh combat shield has been there since day 1 of WoL afaik. Banelings were too strong and now they are back to their normal state edit: see Baneling (Legacy of the Void) -> patch 3.9.1 for source. Patch 3.8.0 which introduced baneling hp buff was right after the BlizzCon that ByuN won, when he introduced the "click / focus fire on banelings" micro trick instead of splitting to the masses (he probably showed it before in GSL).ZvT was balanced before. Core unit receives 2 nerfs - one of which changes a bunch of breakpoints. Don't know how you honestly think this patch is good for Zerg m8. | ||
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darklycid
3517 Posts
On October 10 2023 23:14 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: ZvT was balanced before. Core unit receives 2 nerfs - one of which changes a bunch of breakpoints. Don't know how you honestly think this patch is good for Zerg m8. i mean i dont think the patch was good for zerg but neither do i think zerg needed a good patch on pro level either, if anything the baneling rn looks balanced and not dumb af. If zerg now struggles try to work around that in other ways than making the bane this turbo dumb unit again. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On October 10 2023 22:53 Poopi wrote: Do you realize this was a hp buff to banelings in the first place? Mostly because of ByuN back in the super early LotV days they buffed banelings hp with the upgrade. Now they reverted it. Otoh combat shield has been there since day 1 of WoL afaik. Banelings were too strong and now they are back to their normal state edit: see Baneling (Legacy of the Void) -> patch 3.9.1 for source. Patch 3.8.0 which introduced baneling hp buff was right after the BlizzCon that ByuN won, when he introduced the "click / focus fire on banelings" micro trick instead of splitting to the masses (he probably showed it before in GSL).It was also introduced because TvZ was 60% in favour of terran, but then the map pool changed to be gigantic and it stayed that way and still is that way today. That buff should have been reverted years ago if the maps stayed that way. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3505 Posts
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Snakestyle1
43 Posts
Do you realize this was a hp buff to banelings in the first place? Mostly because of ByuN back in the super early LotV days they buffed banelings hp with the upgrade. Now they reverted it. Otoh combat shield has been there since day 1 of WoL afaik. Banelings were too strong and now they are back to their normal state edit: see Baneling (Legacy of the Void) -> patch 3.9.1 for source. Patch 3.8.0 which introduced baneling hp buff was right after the BlizzCon that ByuN won, when he introduced the "click / focus fire on banelings" micro trick instead of splitting to the masses (he probably showed it before in GSL).It seems people forget the baneling hp buff was originally 10 or 15? forgot the number..Then was toned down to 5 only. It happened at the same time that tank got changed to hit slower but for more damage. I think back then, the balance team did the math and they needed at least 5hp buff so tanks wouldnt 1 shot nig clump of banes. I dont know the math around it at all, bit it seems like back then they did the math and 5 hp was actually a huge help and was needed. I dont know how relevant it is, but i do think maybe people are sleeping on the tank ---> baneling interaction and the change was much bigger than some might think. Once again, I havent done the math, but i clearly remember that was the logic behind the 5hp baneling buff. | ||
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jack_less
77 Posts
On October 10 2023 22:53 Poopi wrote: Otoh combat shield has been there since day 1 of WoL afaik. is not a good argument. The game is changing, otherwise you could also say bring back Infested Terran, because since day 1 of WoL.... On October 10 2023 22:53 Poopi wrote: Banelings were too strong and now they are back to their normal state edit: see Baneling (Legacy of the Void) -> patch 3.9.1 for source. Patch 3.8.0 which introduced baneling hp buff was right after the BlizzCon that ByuN won, when he introduced the "click / focus fire on banelings" micro trick instead of splitting to the masses (he probably showed it before in GSL).3.8.0 -> Siege Tank change. Fun fact, also a major change for Cyclone. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On October 11 2023 05:02 JJH777 wrote: While I think Maru mainly lost due to poor form at the moment I do think people have very much overstated how bad this patch is for Zerg. Anyone who thinks the bane HP nerf should be reverted without some type of Terran compensation is crazy. The ghost nerf was way too big for the bane damage nerf to be the only big Zerg nerf. The nerfs to Lurker/BL are not that significant. Hell I think it's very debatable if the BL changes were even a nerf. People are so surprised to see Zerg nerfed in any way at all they're definitely overreacting. Edit: I am kinda happy to see Maru out early, makes the tournament a lot more interesting. Still not as good as the time Patience crushed him though. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24237 Posts
On October 11 2023 05:12 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Well, well well. Very exciting to return to something different after not having watched any pro SC in a couple of months. Interested to see how the rest of the groups pan out now. Indeed, even with his abysmal current form, a GSL with Maru out in the ro16 looks much more winnable for everyone else... | ||
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Athenau
570 Posts
On October 11 2023 02:19 Snakestyle1 wrote: It seems people forget the baneling hp buff was originally 10 or 15? forgot the number..Then was toned down to 5 only. It happened at the same time that tank got changed to hit slower but for more damage. I think back then, the balance team did the math and they needed at least 5hp buff so tanks wouldnt 1 shot nig clump of banes. I dont know the math around it at all, bit it seems like back then they did the math and 5 hp was actually a huge help and was needed. I dont know how relevant it is, but i do think maybe people are sleeping on the tank ---> baneling interaction and the change was much bigger than some might think. Once again, I havent done the math, but i clearly remember that was the logic behind the 5hp baneling buff. No, tanks one-shotted banelings before the tank buff, and that buff was introduced at least partially as compensation for removing tankivacs. The baneling HP buff was a completely unnecessary and pointless change to a unit that was already incredibly strong. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
A great way to reduce Zerg power overall, and helps both Terran and Protoss. Or if the overall power is actually still about the same, what it did was make zerg have to diversify a bit more and not rely on mass banelings, which is always a good goal to have for game design. Zerg is very versatile (in the lore and gameplay in LotV), they should be taking advantage of their ability to adapt and switch unit compositions fluidly, not just massing Banelings. And definitely NOT massing banelings to end the game before midgame really gets to start just because you got ahead a little early on. I've seen some pros complain on stream and say things like "come on i put in all that effort and got a small lead, i should have won already". A big downside of SC2 has always been games ending too fast with 1 big fight, instead of being more back and forth, and having games that let both players get to several bases so they have many chances to grind their way back in if they're more skilled or make many good reads/plays. (Though LotV has made great improvements in this, it's much better than in WoL/HotS). We don't want to see games end after being behind slightly! Defender's advantage is also already very low in SC2. Nerfing banelings is a great way to stop zerg from endlessly crashing banelings into your 4th and forcing you to keep trading as soon as they get a better economy than you. | ||
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