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GSL Code S
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Format
- Played Online.
- Dual Tournament Format.
- All matches are Bo3.
- Top 2 players of each group advance to the Group Stage 2.
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Group A
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[GSL 2023] Code S:Season 2 - Quarterfinals - Group A
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26271 Posts
I think a lot depends on the first matches in terms of advancement, especially with Byun’s wrists. If he can blitz Solar and Gumibear has prepped something special for Maru so that’s the winner’s, I can definitely see Byun making it out. I think his chances drop if he needs an extra match to play Maru’s looking stellar in general so I’d say it’s likely he’ll get out reasonably serenely. The other three I feel is super dependent on which version of them shows up at the studio today | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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tigera6
3465 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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toastus
Germany22 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4965 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1149 Posts
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
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GoloSC2
712 Posts
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tigera6
3465 Posts
On July 18 2023 19:53 Argonauta wrote: Maru is like not playing really well, I am use of him dislodging those positions with ease He transitioned into mass BC for no real reason, the same way Cure did and lost to Maru in the previous final. Mass Vikings owns BC so bad, the right strategic move for Maru was to build more Vikings/Libs and mix in some Raven. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 18 2023 20:07 Die4Ever wrote: why is Gumiho making a proxy supply depot at the 22 minute mark? lol Flexing. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
On July 18 2023 20:13 GoloSC2 wrote: i'm on mute, did they mention why gumiho seems to be playing from home? apparently some crazy flooding that shut down the subways and stuff | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On July 18 2023 19:50 SmoKim wrote: Gumigod! GUMIGOD Sick TvT | ||
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GoloSC2
712 Posts
On July 18 2023 20:16 Die4Ever wrote: apparently some crazy flooding that shut down the subways and stuff oh shit, ty | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17725 Posts
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tigera6
3465 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Although he was always behind, there were moments that looked winnable for Gumi. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
what happened? | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 18 2023 21:12 Schelim wrote: i went for a longer lunchbreak and suddenly Gumigod 2-0d Maru :O what happened? I'd strongly recommend watching for yourself. | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 18 2023 21:14 tigera6 wrote: ok, so what the F is wrong with Zerg late game these day, they think that lingbaneHydra can just beat Terran late game comp like that? If you miss you tech timing, do something else. Lmao like what? Switch into broods against a guy who already has 15 ghosts? The LBH gives you a fair few chances at getting momentum or good fights - it's why Solar got that ghost cleanup (which made the game playable for a while). I'm a big fan of adding more infestors than what Solar did there, but against high ghost count and a Terran who can still drop, I don't hate trying to force it with LBH. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
Gumiho advances in first place without benefitting from ByuN having wrist issues Gumigod indeed | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
GUMIGOOOOOOOOOOD Crazy good TvZ | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On July 18 2023 21:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Lmao like what? Switch into broods against a guy who already has 15 ghosts? The LBH gives you a fair few chances at getting momentum or good fights - it's why Solar got that ghost cleanup (which made the game playable for a while). I'm a big fan of adding more infestors than what Solar did there, but against high ghost count and a Terran who can still drop, I don't hate trying to force it with LBH. I don't hate it either but your argument that you shouldn't go Broods against 15 Ghosts is wrong. Dark does that pretty regularly and it works with good Infestor control and LOTS of broodlords | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
On July 18 2023 21:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Lmao like what? Switch into broods against a guy who already has 15 ghosts? The LBH gives you a fair few chances at getting momentum or good fights - it's why Solar got that ghost cleanup (which made the game playable for a while). I'm a big fan of adding more infestors than what Solar did there, but against high ghost count and a Terran who can still drop, I don't hate trying to force it with LBH. At least try the BLord play and see how it goes, unless you can set up the perfect engagement like Dark or Serral does. Solar just straight up refuse to do it, like Reynor does and just die. His Lurker also bring zero value to the Zerg army, yet hes still trying to stick to it in lategame against full tanks Ghost as well. And can somebody tell me why cant we have an Overlord to guard the dead space next to the main? Gumiho was using that as his personal space all game long. | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26271 Posts
On July 18 2023 20:47 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Really sick games today. Gumiho one of the best players to watch when he's in form, and Solar is super tenacious today. Although he was always behind, there were moments that looked winnable for Gumi. Glorious Stylistically, given his race I used to love Liquid HerO as my favourite player, attempting a very macro, straight up harass oriented style but in terms of having an idiosyncratic style and thrilling games when in form Gumigod is up there for sure. Probably the most stylistic off-beat player who’s actually good SC2 has seen Maru and Serral play the best SC sure, but it’s not as fun! It’s like in the movies where the seemingly impervious supervillain has one weakness that the hero somehow discovers and exploits | ||
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Spinoza
667 Posts
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tigera6
3465 Posts
On July 18 2023 21:32 Poopi wrote: Maru has gotta be the favorite to advance now, isn't he? nope, Byun might beat him if he doesnt get that loss out of his head. What worse is that, they might just proxy the hell out of the match and Maru lose because his Reaper take one extra shot. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26271 Posts
On July 18 2023 21:29 tigera6 wrote: At least try the BLord play and see how it goes, unless you can set up the perfect engagement like Dark or Serral does. Solar just straight up refuse to do it, like Reynor does and just die. His Lurker also bring zero value to the Zerg army, yet hes still trying to stick to it in lategame against full tanks Ghost as well. And can somebody tell me why cant we have an Overlord to guard the dead space next to the main? Gumiho was using that as his personal space all game long. It’s so immobile but I don’t think it’s insurmountable The problem is Zergs don’t contract come super lategame, they have to defend too much ground You got a bunch of bases mined out, tech a forward base up to hive and rebuild a few tech structures. I’ve never seen a Zerg in a top top game do this, they’ll reactively rebuild but never do it proactively If you’re down to 3/2/1 or hell no mining bases, fortify that region, pull new tech buildings and slow push from there. Instead you’re generally seeing people scramble to defend infrastructure that was gradually built over the expansion to 6/7 bases and BL comps can cover it all | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 18 2023 21:28 Charoisaur wrote: I don't hate it either but your argument that you shouldn't go Broods against 15 Ghosts is wrong. Dark does that pretty regularly and it works with good Infestor control and LOTS of broodlords That's fair. You do really have to be able to make a lot of them though. I do also think Dark probably has the best lategame Zerg control, and the heavy infestor play's effectiveness scales with good control. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
 Babylon LE ; maybe they figured it out later on? Solid showing from Maru, one more to go | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
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BelethielQT
90 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:30 BelethielQT wrote: Solar looks like the worst zvt player Solar, who just beat Byun? | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26271 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:37 Schelim wrote: inb4 all Terran ro4 again Look forward to Terrans saying that’s all fine and dandy | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:38 WombaT wrote: Look forward to Terrans saying that’s all fine and dandy I'm so far removed from playing the game I don't really care about the balance discussions much. I'm just here to enjoy the ride. | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
For who is used to be called a "Roach boy", his lack of Roach-play really make his game one-dimensional at the moment. He just cant break tank seige position easily until he got Viper and even then he might have faced Ghost. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:37 Schelim wrote: inb4 all Terran ro4 again I don't think TY gets out over Dark / herO. 3/4 is still looking pretty reasonable though  | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:37 Schelim wrote: inb4 all Terran ro4 again Cure is on fire but I highly doubt TY can beat either Dark or herO | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:39 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: I don't think TY gets out over Dark / herO. 3/4 is still looking pretty reasonable though that does indeed not seem very likely, but it's TY. his preparation and trickery knows no limits. hell, Gumiho advanced in first place from this group. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:39 Schelim wrote: I'm so far removed from playing the game I don't really care about the balance discussions much. I'm just here to enjoy the ride. Same with me but it's getting harder and harder to watch as a casual viewer when you just see marines and medivacs and tanks steamroll everything with almost no playback in the early game lol | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:39 tigera6 wrote: For who is used to be called a "Roach boy", his lack of Roach-play really make his game one-dimensional at the moment. He just cant break tank seige position easily until he got Viper and even then he might have faced Ghost. To be clear, you are saying Solar is looking like the worst ZvT player, after losing to Maru, in part because: He didn't play roaches largely on maps that are great for tanks, and he had trouble breaking siege positions... as Zerg, on this map pool? | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:41 Schelim wrote: that does indeed not seem very likely, but it's TY. his preparation and trickery knows no limits. hell, Gumiho advanced in first place from this group. If current form TY trickery is enough to get him out over Dark and herO, we can start thinking about marine nerfs LMAO. | ||
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BelethielQT
90 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:42 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: To be clear, you are saying Solar is looking like the worst ZvT player, after losing to Maru, in part because: He didn't play roaches largely on maps that are great for tanks, and he had trouble breaking siege positions... as Zerg, on this map pool? He played really bad vs maru | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:42 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: To be clear, you are saying Solar is looking like the worst ZvT player, after losing to Maru, in part because: He didn't play roaches largely on maps that are great for tanks, and he had trouble breaking siege positions... as Zerg, on this map pool? I dont think hes the worst ZvT player, he just doesnt have a lot of variability in his current game and his reaction isnt as great as Reynor to play that style imo. And I think Roach opening is viable to mix in these days to use early and transition out later, I also believe that is better than the LBH army that Solar continuously using. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Sure, it wasn't great. But even good ZvT players often look bad vs Maru, and the map in game 1 was a bit gross. I didn't feel like his game 2 was all that terrible either. He also did beat Byun, and his game 3 there was really good. I don't think your statement `Solar looks like the worst zvt player' is even remotely fair. EDIT: Apologies Tigera, mixed up your statement. I think what you are saying is broadly fair - but I still don't think roaches on this map pool are amazing, or would have made Solar look better this series. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26271 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:49 tigera6 wrote: I dont think hes the worst ZvT player, he just doesnt have a lot of variability in his current game and his reaction isnt as great as Reynor to play that style imo. And I think Roach opening is viable to mix in these days to use early and transition out later, I also believe that is better than the LBH army that Solar continuously using. Solar strikes me as the guy who is a great student, he does the textbook thing very well. But throw him up against someone who deviates from the textbook in Gumiho, or who just executes a textbook clinic better in Maru and he can struggle. He wasn’t super far from breaking Maru’s pushes in G2 and being in a great spot, he just couldn’t quite do it. He wasn’t crazy outclassed and his textbook approach was good enough to beat Byun’s unholy aggression, he just couldn’t pull it off against a Gumiho and Maru who brought very solid games to bear. I mean let’s be real there’s no Korean Zerg who can go toe to toe with Maru these days who isn’t called Dark. Rag falls into that ‘looks pretty good but ultimately loses’ camp too | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
Solar has a fighting chance of beating anyone in the world in a high stakes match at this point except for Maru. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3509 Posts
On July 18 2023 22:38 Azzur wrote: Solar GGed a little early? It was a lost position but that meant his season is over - perhaps frustration He GG'd about 5 seconds earlier then you might expect where players sit in that "processing phase", but if you freeze at the game's end, Maru has double his army supply and is seconds away from killing the 3rd and 4th (as the main mines out) along with all of the undefended drones, ovies and creep. I don't think he has to stay for the extra moment to watch that nor scouting Maru landing a 4th while he sits on 2 mostly mined out bases. | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
I was also really surprised that both players didn't keep a handful of ravens consistently. Maru made 7 fairly early but once those died he stopped making them for quite a while and only made a couple more until the end of the game. Gumiho made even less. | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On July 19 2023 13:23 JJH777 wrote: Maru vs Gumiho game 2 was surprising to me. I felt like Maru was winning it right up until Gumiho got his entire army +15scvs on Maru's production. Maru seemed to be consistently trading better for the 3-4 minutes before that and then near instantly lost with a 5k/5k bank. The BCs did seem pretty detrimental to his ability to take a good fight but I do wonder how it would have gone if he had pulled SCVs to repair his BCs/Vikings during the fight. I was also really surprised that both players didn't keep a handful of ravens consistently. Maru made 7 fairly early but once those died he stopped making them for quite a while and only made a couple more until the end of the game. Gumiho made even less. I was also wondering if mass liberators would fair better against mass vikings, esp when paired together with Ravens and their anti-armour missiles. Gumiho's 30+ vikings just looked super oppressive... | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 19 2023 14:57 buzz_bender wrote: I was also wondering if mass liberators would fair better against mass vikings, esp when paired together with Ravens and their anti-armour missiles. Gumiho's 30+ vikings just looked super oppressive... I think it's just tough to strike the right balance between vikings and liberators (and ravens) in these situations and it's easier to just build all the vikings. also easier to control. but in theory, liberators firing AOE damage at like 30-40 vikings with armor shredding on them should be very scary. can also then use libs to zone ground and harass workers. | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
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Slydie
1930 Posts
But, as a player, what does Solar really bring to the table in the matchup except dronning as hard as possible and making tonnes of LBH(V) to overhwelm the opponent? I saw very little variation and creativity in his planning, only reactions to what his opponents did. | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On July 19 2023 18:23 tigera6 wrote: I did see Clem ran his Libs onto Cure and made quick work of them so its entirely possible. Or just sneakily building 60 Marines and run them underneath the Vikings. Which, if I remember correctly was what Maru did to Cure in one of the GSL finals games last season. I remember Cure having a bunch of vikings (way more than Maru), and Maru just transitioned back to mass marines because Cure did not have many tanks at that point in time. I think Maru didn't do it this time because Gumiho never really gave him the time to do so. | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
On July 20 2023 12:27 buzz_bender wrote: Which, if I remember correctly was what Maru did to Cure in one of the GSL finals games last season. I remember Cure having a bunch of vikings (way more than Maru), and Maru just transitioned back to mass marines because Cure did not have many tanks at that point in time. I think Maru didn't do it this time because Gumiho never really gave him the time to do so. Yeah, because at that time Maru went with full Bio before transition into Starport units, so his Marines were fully upgrade when he made the switch at the end. This time Maru committed to air super early to match Gumiho mech style, so he never really developed his infantry units. | ||
Waxangel
United States33560 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On July 20 2023 13:14 Waxangel wrote: Amusingly enough, you could see Maru watch the replay of Game 2 vs GuMiho many times over in his seat, and later in the post-match interview he said he didn't understand why he lost the big fight. Not that any of us should be lecturing Maru in TvT, but does he not know that Vikings kinda crush BC's on a supply and resource basis? I do think the SCVs (and there were a lot of them) were repairing the vikings and some of the SCVs were also building turrets at the bottom. Without the SCVs, I do think Maru would have absolutely won that fight. | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On July 20 2023 13:14 Waxangel wrote: Amusingly enough, you could see Maru watch the replay of Game 2 vs GuMiho many times over in his seat, and later in the post-match interview he said he didn't understand why he lost the big fight. Not that any of us should be lecturing Maru in TvT, but does he not know that Vikings kinda crush BC's on a supply and resource basis? This makes me a bit more confident for Maru's 7th GSL win (that he took time to understand the loss), now that his TvT is not invincible everyone is a threat no matter the results in group B: Cure / herO / Dark being obviously dangerous or even TY (if he somehow manages to survive this insane group) in the semifinals, then Gumiho or one of the three aforementioned. | ||
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tigera6
3465 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 20 2023 17:42 tigera6 wrote: I think hes no longer feeling the pressure to in another GSL title after that G5L, and whatever win the get from GSL at this point its a plus. He didnt really expect to win GSL last season from the way he talked about it, it just happened to hit him in the head. nothing's scarier than a player who's not feeling any pressure | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On July 20 2023 18:08 Schelim wrote: nothing's scarier than a player who's not feeling any pressure You just need Afreeca to make a special trophy for 10 wins or whatever and he will start losing GSLs once again | ||
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